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[lost_shaman]

TheMcGuffin, on 07 November 2011 - 07:41 AM, said:

Ah, but you do have a burden of proof when you say that the UFO might have been Soviet or a conventional object or the planet Venus, etc, etc.

That isn't a problem because I've not said anything of the sort.

TheMcGuffin, on 07 November 2011 - 07:41 AM, said:

It's easy to make all kinds of suggestions and assertions like those but provide no evidence.

Only when you say nothing at all do you have no burden of proof.

So are you making definitive statements that E.T. is visiting Earth then or not?

Edited by lost_shaman, 07 November 2011 - 07:49 AM.

[.Hollow.]

sean6, on 05 November 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

White House: There's no sign of E.T. or UFO cover-up     

The White House has responded to two petitions asking the U.S. government to acknowledge formally that aliens have visited Earth and to disclose any intentional withholding of government interactions with extraterrestrial beings.

"The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race," Phil Larson from the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy reported on the WhiteHouse.gov website."In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public’s eye."

http://www.msnbc.msn...e/#.TrXBQbLQuxJ

also keep in mind

Open-government groups protest rule allowing federal officials to lie


http://www.federalti...TS01/111010302/

another futile attempt to control and bend us to their will......us government, what a joke.

[TheMcGuffin]

lost_shaman, on 07 November 2011 - 07:42 AM, said:

That isn't a problem because I've not said anything of the sort.

No, you tend to say that they're plasmas.

In general, though, I find it very hard to pin the "skeptics" down at all, at least when it comes to stating something specific.  They really do seem to run away from saying anything positive at all, which is certainly the easy way out.  No need to produce much evidence of anything, but just say "no, no, no, no" all the time.

[lost_shaman]

TheMcGuffin, on 07 November 2011 - 07:59 AM, said:

No, you tend to say that they're plasmas.

Yeah I do. So does the MoD. Many at NARCAP. And Most at Hessdalen. It seems Atmospheric Plasmas that we never knew existed tend to explain MANY UFO's.

TheMcGuffin, on 07 November 2011 - 07:59 AM, said:

In general, though, I find it very hard to pin the "skeptics" down at all, at least when it comes to stating something specific.  They really do seem to run away from saying anything positive at all, which is certainly the easy way out.  No need to produce much evidence of anything, but just say "no, no, no, no" all the time.

So if you look at the evidence for Plasmas, it's there which is the antithesis to what you are saying.

[Kludge808]

Mike 215, on 06 November 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

According to a recent CNN poll, 64% of the Americans believe that humans have been in contact with aliens, 36% believe people have been abducted and 35% believe that aliens have been in contact with the government including the president.
NOw if the government wants to change these poll numbers, it is very easy to d.

Why would they care?  A CNN poll carries absolutely no meaning to much of anyone.  Well, anyone who matters, anyway.

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OPEN UP AREA 51, WRIGHT PATERSON AFB AND AND THAT SECRET LAB AT THE END OF LONG ISLAND TO REPORTERS WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. LET THEM RUN ALL OVER THE PLACE INCLUDING THE UNDERGROUND LABS, HANGERS AND OTHER SECRET AREAS.

This was addressed already but I'll add one more thing.  There's no reason to do so.  None.  The DoD specifically and the government in general doesn't care about the polls or the conspiracy theories or much of anything else of that order.  As a result, they have absolutely no reason to open up much of anything.

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But THE COLD WAR HAS BEEN OVER FOR 20 years. WHAT NATIONAL SECURITY?

Who cares about the Cold War.  As you pointed out, it's done and passed.  But that doesn't mean the US doesn't have enemies who would just love to get their eyes on what's on those sites.  And, while we are supposedly at peace with Russia and China, don't bet for a minute they wouldn't dearly love to get in there as well.  So, yes, national security is still an issue.

[Kludge808]

Mike 215, on 06 November 2011 - 11:29 PM, said:

We are told we live in a free society with righs guaranteed by the constitution. Yet if you want to investigate Area 51 there are signs warning you that 'deadly force' will be used to stop you. As a taxpayer I am paying for Area 51 but the government promisies me a bullet in the head if I try to exercise my rights.

And which of those rights do you feel is impared by them not allowing you free access to the bases?  I'll tell you which ones.  None of them.  

Deadly force is authorized at a great number of government reservations, military and otherwise, in both the US and abroad which has been true for centuries.  Why do you think gate sentries have invariably been armed over the ages?

[mitchall]

Jerry Only, on 06 November 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

They expect a few petitions to get a government to disclose possible secrets that have been purposefully withheld for years and years?

Good luck with that.

i agree 100% Jerry

[Lilly]

TheMcGuffin, on 07 November 2011 - 07:59 AM, said:

...In general, though, I find it very hard to pin the "skeptics" down at all, at least when it comes to stating something specific.  They really do seem to run away from saying anything positive at all, which is certainly the easy way out.  No need to produce much evidence of anything, but just say "no, no, no, no" all the time.

If one isn't making a claim (ie, stating they know what UFOs are) then one wouldn't be stating anything specific. Certainly, there are various options regarding what UFOs could possibly be. But, without definitive evidence we of the skeptical nature can't make the claim that we know for sure what UFOs are. It's not just saying, "no, no, no", it's more like saying, "we just don't know".

[badeskov]

TheMcGuffin, on 07 November 2011 - 04:56 AM, said:

Look, I'm just tired of doing this, so YOU post something for a change.  Not deductions, some real records that prove your point.

I already did in my post, you simply refuse to understand some very basic facts. As stated, I cannot prove a negative. And the thing is, as far as I know, no such documents exist and most likely due to the fact that that there was no reason for them to exist in the first place. That you do not understand the Cold War and its influence is not really my problem, albeit I think that it is very obvious to most people here.

And, frankly, your documents, while interesting from a Cold War perspective, are largely completely irrelevant to ET and shows nothing of the sort that you are promoting. Again, it would do you a huge favor to actually take the Cold War into perspective and actually understand the posted documents in that light.

Cheers,
Badeskov

[libstaK]

"The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race," Phil Larson from the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy reported on the WhiteHouse.gov website."In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public’s eye."

Ok I can't believe all the die hard believers and budding conspiracy theorists  didn't catch this "outside our planet" and "extraterrestrial" does not account for interdimensional or time travelling, aquatic species that have always been here blah blah blah - anyway, point is - it's not exactly the blanket denial it looks at first glance if you really still want something to hang your hat on.

[Myles]

Nuke_em, on 06 November 2011 - 01:51 AM, said:

Typical lies, i dont expect US gov. to share information with their own taxpayers, why should they? They are like willowdreams wrote all powerfull and ****..

How many other governments have provided solid evedence of aliens?   It's funny how people rip on the US government when it's the same all over the world.    Maybe there is not any evidence at all.

[Myles]

If the government knows that life exists already, why are they spending billions trying to find signs of life on Mars?

[Tesla II]

Myles, on 07 November 2011 - 12:45 PM, said:

How many other governments have provided solid evedence of aliens?   It's funny how people rip on the US government when it's the same all over the world.    Maybe there is not any evidence at all.

Well if our gov. had any kind of information they would share it with public to some level. For Russia its the same, only US gov. needs to hide and burrow their secrets... Take a look to some old newspapers in Russia, their media reports to public almost everything, in US they lie and hide...In my country there are no such things as ufos..

And the weird fact is that the most "UFO" sightings happen on US soil... pretty strange to me.. And still they dont want to tell you anything, why?

[Tesla II]

Myles, on 07 November 2011 - 12:52 PM, said:

If the government knows that life exists already, why are they spending billions trying to find signs of life on Mars?

So it wont be so obvious that they already knew lol... They need to make public think they didnt know about those strange highspeed flying objects on their radar... It is that simple, even nasa has footage of some strange things happenin around ISS.

[Rlyeh]

Nuke_em, on 07 November 2011 - 12:52 PM, said:

In my country there are no such things as ufos..

So the people in your country can immediately ID everything in the sky?

Edited by Rlyeh, 07 November 2011 - 01:23 PM.