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#46    Sir Wearer of Hats

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:19 PM

View Postzoser, on 21 November 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Only if you are full of bias and have a vested interest in practising total denial
I practice total Daniel if that helps you make a case ;)
However, I can get a dozen witnesses to something and get a dozen different stories.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:20 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 21 November 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Bee posted it somewhere last year I think. It was entertaining at the time. I'm not sure if the UFOs will bear much resemblance to yours though.
Sounds quite fun, although probably not a major influence on popular Culture.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:20 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 21 November 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Bee posted it somewhere last year I think. It was entertaining at the time. I'm not sure if the UFOs will bear much resemblance to yours though.
Sounds quite fun, although probably not a major influence on popular Culture.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:22 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 21 November 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Bee posted it somewhere last year I think.  It was entertaining at the time.  I'm not sure if the UFOs will bear much resemblance to yours though.

If the pic looked more like a pinball, maybe.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:36 AM

Yeah ! Thats the Ticket ! Land on the White House Lawn ! Walk out get nailed by the Secret service run off to Profesor Lindenbrooks  House to scribble on the Chalk board !
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:04 AM

View Postzoser, on 21 November 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Take the comment in context; compare to the technology demonstrated to us by how these things fly for example makes mankind look as though it is has just emerged from the stone age; Russia, US or otherwise.  It's not political it's just a fact.


You did a lousy job of proving that nothing is impossible to me.


Great, if it is a fact, you can then confirm to me that some UFO's are actually ET craft and we can shut down this section of the forum.

Good God you have no idea do you, stone age? You really ought to familiarise yourself with history.


And you specifically singled out Russia. That's pretty ignorant as well.


You do realise that outrageous maneuvers will kill an alien pilot just as quickly as a human one? Have a think about that.


Even though this is not a Youtube link, I dare you click on it and read where we were at with regards to interstellar travel over 50 years ago. - LINK

Take note of the dates, performance and the objectives.

View Postzoser, on 21 November 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

If you think otherwise then how come this superbly advanced race of ours has never got further than our local moon?  Think about it before you worship the technological wonders of our time.

Telling me to think is something I find highly ironic coming from you. Did you think before making the above ridiculous statement? And what planet do these supposed Alien visitors come from? If their craft are from space, they must travel space, so I take it you can show me some RADAR records of UFO's that have left or entered our atmosphere and offered a direction such as the WOW! signal did?

Good God man. We have probes entering the interstellar medium. Never got past the moon did we? Click the below and be amazed.

Voyager Probes - LINK

Cassini - Link

Curiosity - Link

Galileo - Link

I know it's a little grainy, but no more so than UFO pictures so you should have no problem with that, this is the surface of Pluto.


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:11 AM

View Postzoser, on 21 November 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

That's what they look like; as people that have seen them at distance or close up.  You need to read some testimonies dear chap.

Actually, based upon that comment, it appears you need to actually read the testimonies you hang your hat on.

They do not look like that at all. They tend to look like this:

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In other words, crap.



They appear to be inspired by things more like this:


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Which it bear a closer resemblance to - a wedding cake.

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and or


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Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. - Sir Isaac Newton Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit. - Ed Stewart Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Dr Who

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:14 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 22 November 2012 - 04:11 AM, said:

Actually, based upon that comment, it appears you need to actually read the testimonies you hang your hat on.

They do not look like that at all. They tend to look like this:

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In other words, crap.



They appear to be inspired by things more like this:


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Which it bear a closer resemblance to - a wedding cake.

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and or


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It's good that you have been doing some research there Mr Psyche.  Keep up the good work.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 22 November 2012 - 04:04 AM, said:


Good God man. We have probes entering the interstellar medium. Never got past the moon did we? Click the below and be amazed.

I know it's a little grainy, but no more so than UFO pictures so you should have no problem with that, this is the surface of Pluto.


What and you are impressed with that?  :whistle:

Good luck mate; getting excited by more balls of rock and space dust isn't my thing I'm afraid.

The human race's achievements over the last 50 years have been slow and pathetic, and are showing definite signs of total arrestation as far as I can see.  Over the last 10 years we have seen nothing new that we didn't see in the last 20 years.  Maybe we see it in more detail now.  Big deal.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:26 PM

View Postzoser, on 22 November 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

What and you are impressed with that?  :whistle:

Good luck mate; getting excited by more balls of rock and space dust isn't my thing I'm afraid.

The human race's achievements over the last 50 years have been slow and pathetic, and are showing definite signs of total arrestation as far as I can see.  Over the last 10 years we have seen nothing new that we didn't see in the last 20 years.  Maybe we see it in more detail now.  Big deal.
Um... from the New Posts section, right now.. Scientists Discover A Massive Exoplanet

That makes, what, thousands that have been discovered in the last 10 years or so. We've seen nothing new?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:37 PM

View Post747400, on 22 November 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Um... from the New Posts section, right now.. Scientists Discover A Massive Exoplanet

That makes, what, thousands that have been discovered in the last 10 years or so. We've seen nothing new?

Lets be absolutely clear.  They have seen nothing but stars wobble and that indicates the existence of planets.  I have seen lots of artists impressions but little else.  Sorry but my sense of fascination lies elsewhere.

BTW looks like a misdentification to me; probably just dust or swamp space gas.

Edited by zoser, 22 November 2012 - 07:40 PM.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:41 PM

View Postzoser, on 22 November 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Lets be absolutely clear.  They have seen nothing but stars wobble and that indicates the existence of planets.  I have seen lots of artists impressions but little else.  Sorry but my sense of fascination lies elsewhere.
So rather than denying that we have discovered anything new in the last 20 years, your argument now is that you're just not interested?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:52 PM

View Post747400, on 22 November 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

So rather than denying that we have discovered anything new in the last 20 years, your argument now is that you're just not interested?

Neither.  The argument is about the significance.  They discover what appears to be the Higgs Bosun.  Whoopy doo.  So we are all totally liberated now are we?

Is that the energy crisis solved?  I think not.  So tens of billions of dollars and 30 years later we may yet discover another sub-atomic particle.  Great.

A tiny speck of dust in space supposedly a new planet.  Well it might be it might not.  I'll leave you to prove that.

The point is I'm not about to fall off my chair while the human race goes around in ever decreasing circles thinking that it is making huge strides forward.

Let me remind you that these star systems are hundreds of light years away or more and we still (humans) have not even got beyond the moon.

You go out on to the street and celebrate these 'earth shattering discoveries if you wish'.  Put your coat on first because it's cold outside,

Please don't try and pick flies; you know exactly what I am getting at.

PS if you find orthodox science so riveting then why are you all here?  :blush:

I admit that the human race has got it's head stuck up it's rear orifice; you guys don't seem to know where you stand.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:19 PM

View Postzoser, on 22 November 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Neither.  The argument is about the significance.  They discover what appears to be the Higgs Bosun.  Whoopy doo.  So we are all totally liberated now are we?



By all means of respect, but your ignorance of science and the progress it has made is astounding. The discovery of the electron in 1897 must be insignificant as well then, I presume. If so, I suggest you put your computer that you are typing your posts on back in the box and give it back, because it is discoveries like that which has enabled the technological level we are currently enjoying.


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Is that the energy crisis solved?  I think not.  So tens of billions of dollars and 30 years later we may yet discover another sub-atomic particle.  Great.

What did you expect? Science is a long, hard, arduous process. Nothing happens over night. And the discovery of the Higgs Boson may in the future lead to new knowledge of gravity and how it works. Could even help us make more efficient propulsion systems.  

Regarding energy crisis, we are much, much more energy efficient compared to 30 years ago thanks to science. We are just many more people needing energy, but 30 years in the future we should be even more energy efficient. For instance, looking at fusion which could solve a lot of our energy problems if we could figure out the materials science to contain it. The knowledge of the actual process has been known for many years.


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A tiny speck of dust in space supposedly a new planet.  Well it might be it might not.  I'll leave you to prove that.


I think we will leave that to the scientists to prove, but I think it is pretty obvious why the scientists are correct in this matter.


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The point is I'm not about to fall off my chair while the human race goes around in ever decreasing circles thinking that it is making huge strides forward.


If you think that the human race is going around in ever decreasing circles, I suddenly understand your posts a lot better - or, rather, the lack of sense behind them.


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Let me remind you that these star systems are hundreds of light years away or more and we still (humans) have not even got beyond the moon.


So? Just because you can see a mountain far away and have no means of getting there doesn't mean that you can't observe it.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:33 PM

View Postzoser, on 22 November 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Neither.  The argument is about the significance.  They discover what appears to be the Higgs Bosun.  Whoopy doo.  So we are all totally liberated now are we?

Is that the energy crisis solved?  I think not.  So tens of billions of dollars and 30 years later we may yet discover another sub-atomic particle.  Great.

A tiny speck of dust in space supposedly a new planet.  Well it might be it might not.  I'll leave you to prove that.

The point is I'm not about to fall off my chair while the human race goes around in ever decreasing circles thinking that it is making huge strides forward.

Let me remind you that these star systems are hundreds of light years away or more and we still (humans) have not even got beyond the moon.

You go out on to the street and celebrate these 'earth shattering discoveries if you wish'.  Put your coat on first because it's cold outside,

Please don't try and pick flies; you know exactly what I am getting at.

PS if you find orthodox science so riveting then why are you all here?  :blush:

I admit that the human race has got it's head stuck up it's rear orifice; you guys don't seem to know where you stand.
i DO FIND IT SLIGHTLY PUZZLING, i must admit, (caps lock), that you're very interested in the idea that Extraterrestrials might be visiting Earth, would that be fair to say?, but you don't seem to be interested in actual endeavours to find planets that might potentially be home to extraterrestrial life; the thing that might one day confirm the idea that there are Extraterrestials at least. Surely this would go a long way to silencing the Skeptics and confirming that you were right all along? :blush:

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