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#106    quillius

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 09:25 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 28 November 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:

Hi Quillius

Bit in the same boat right now as Christmas steams down upon us. Kids break up this week.

Gidday mate, yes its approaching at its usual rate of knots...Wow this week huh, thats a good long break for them, mine dont finish until around the 20th..I wont tell them about Oz otherwise they will want to live over there :) (my brother moved out there around March, he is married to a nice Australian girl)

View Postpsyche101, on 28 November 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:


Actually, no. I took the reference to be larger than normal, not shaped otherwise, mate I owe you a beer, this one eluded me until you put it under my nose. I think this goes a very long way toward helping my hypothesis along.

oh I see. Not sure how I reached that conclusion, it may possibly have been the kids during interviews and the eye shapes they made with their hands to try and explain.

View Postpsyche101, on 28 November 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:


Almost what I am thinking. Except I see the rumours as being brought in after the event. I will ry to firm it up over the Christmas break, I am pretty confident this is the right tree to be barking at. I do not see why Aliens would travel along power lines, or how the described craft could be an interstellar vehicle. It sounds too small to me. The descriptions of craft sound like an electrical fault to me.

Maybe, all I would say if rumours did spread then thjis would help account for the hysteria we were told happened 'kids came running in screaming, scared'..?!? Like I said I dont buy into the electrical fault but if thats the answer then thats the answer...interesting to see where we end up.

View Postpsyche101, on 28 November 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:


They do, we seem to be on the same page, and you are helping my ideas along. I look forward to more time to develop this properly.

hopefully during christmas we may be able to do some more work on this case.  :tu:


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 09:30 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 28 November 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Sure, I am willing to look at any aspect anyone can offer, however, I honestly do not think if you asked your kids to draw a dog that it would look like a house, it would at least still have 3 legs like the album by The Cruel Sea. (Top album). Also, I think we need to take into account that up to 62 drawings exist, this is supposedly the cream of the crop. As such, I feel we are being asked to interpret too much to be fair. And I just cannot see a saucer as a cylinder, that is just too much disparity for me, and I think this is describing two different things, I have to settle to disagree on this aspect, because I think that although you have a good point, there is a limit to artistic license.

I think if such disparity can be accepted, then it should also be accepted that the drawings tell us nothing at all. Every person that sees them will see something different. That cannot be helpful in this situation.

ok granted the examples given were a little extreme house v dog. However maybe then if we used the same principle but said draw a car. I am sure we would get some that look like buses, tractors and more, especially when going across the age range of 5-12yr olds.

I do think the drawings will tell us something, maybe not what we expect though, however to be able to spot these 'nuggets' we need to reeally see all pictures and also know who drew each one (age for example is vital), in addition it would be good to listen to an interview and description given then see how this matches with the picture from said child.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 01:41 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 10 November 2011 - 12:29 AM, said:

To me the pictures all look like different craft, not a variation of the same craft.

This is exactly what i thought as well.

But is there a possible explanation for this?

http://lup.lub.lu.se...fileOId=2152838

Basically from the study we are shown that kids are good at recounting a given event.
They include fewer details than adults, but what they say is more accurate.

Makes you wonder, if.....

you don't believe they have been instructed, which seems to be the most likely possibility for me.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:09 PM

View PostScepticus, on 29 November 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

This is exactly what i thought as well.

But is there a possible explanation for this?

http://lup.lub.lu.se...fileOId=2152838

Basically from the study we are shown that kids are good at recounting a given event.
They include fewer details than adults, but what they say is more accurate.

Makes you wonder, if.....

you don't believe they have been instructed, which seems to be the most likely possibility for me.
:D

hello Scepticus, one quick point for you, if they were instructed you would have thought that the pictures would all match....i.e. they would be told to re-do any that didnt match.

also the interviews do not show any signs of this, although I do believe there was far to much leading going on by John especially.


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:11 PM

View Postquillius, on 29 November 2011 - 02:09 PM, said:

hello Scepticus, one quick point for you, if they were instructed you would have thought that the pictures would all match....i.e. they would be told to re-do any that didnt match.

also the interviews do not show any signs of this, although I do believe there was far to much leading going on by John especially.

Hello Quillius.

I do not believe they have been instructed in a way so they could produce similair pictures.

I'll explain when i get off work.  

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:17 PM

View PostScepticus, on 29 November 2011 - 03:11 PM, said:

Hello Quillius.

I do not believe they have been instructed in a way so they could produce similair pictures.

I'll explain when i get off work.  

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No worries, I look forward to your theory :)


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Posted 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM

View Postquillius, on 29 November 2011 - 03:17 PM, said:

No worries, I look forward to your theory :)

Hello Quillius

The late reply as promised.

Many people believe this incident is strong evidence of aliens visting Earth. I do not see it that way and i will explain why.

BTW - Its a lie that the kids in this incident couldn't have been influenced by TV or radio.

First off, lets look at the "sighting" It have been said to have happened in the schools area. 62 kids and one women supposably witnessed a UFO and an alien visit. Or did they really see something else or was it just imagination?

It have been said that they saw the alien and the UFO in a area with extremely wild vegetation which the school have tried over and over to clear up.  Wouldn't we have seen evidence from wild vegetation that something was really there? Wouldn't we have seen broken branches and stuff like that?

Note the majority of the kids who believed it was an alien and a UFO were white.
The majority of the black kids thought it was a tikoloshe - Dwarf-like creature which likes to play with kids.
The majority didn't believe it was an alien and a UFO - We should also note that none of the kids saw the "UFO" land

So so did they see something unnatural or was it just imagination.
One little girl believe imagination was a possibility. She couldn't see any UFO or alien. She saw something very bright in the bush and something dark. To quote her: "It could have been a branch or something like that"

I saw this as a major red flag but not as major as the ones to come.

Then Cynthia heard about this strange incident and contacted the school. The headmaster told the kids that a UFO investigator was coming to question them about the "sighting" and wanted them to draw what they saw.
Now the kids knew that the "sighting" has intrigued a UFO investigator. This is where i believe the "instructions" started.
Even before Cynthia came to the school, the kids knew that she only wanted to look at the alien aspect of this "sighting"

Then Cynthia came to the school and the kids had there drawings ready. She noted all the drawing with a UFO and an alien, but discarded all the other drawings. We had 62 drawings of the event and only a dozen of the drawings were UFO related. Not even half of the drawings had anything to do with a UFO.

Cynthia and John started the interviewing the kids which drew the UFO drawings. Note how they interviewed the kids.
They interviewed them in such a way, so the kids were answering the way the kids thought Cynthia and John wanted them to.

This is were the major "instructions" started.

Just a quick exsample.

John: Is this an idea that you have had before, that we don't look after the planet properly and the air or did this idea come to you when you had this experience?
Girl: When I had this experience.

John: At what point did you feel that? When you saw the craft or when you got home at night?
Girl: When I got home.

See a pattern?

She is answering what she thinks John wants to hear. This is exactly what i ment earlier in the thread, when stating if you got a camera in a 3rd world country you can get the kids to say anything.


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Posted 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:

Hello Quillius

The late reply as promised.

Many people believe this incident is strong evidence of aliens visting Earth. I do not see it that way and i will explain why.

BTW - Its a lie that the kids in this incident couldn't have been influenced by TV or radio.

Good Morning Scepticus,
thank you for the response and theory outline.
I will try and address all your points, I will exclude links at times, should you require confirmation on any point I make please feel free to ask and I will provide, being short of time its easier to be reactive as opposed to proactive with links.  :tu:

ok, I agree that the children could have been influenced by both TV and radio.

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:


First off, lets look at the "sighting" It have been said to have happened in the schools area. 62 kids and one women supposably witnessed a UFO and an alien visit. Or did they really see something else or was it just imagination?

no a woman did not see either a ufo nor the being. Maybe the lady you are referring to is the mother of one of the children who was minding the tuck shop at the time, as all the teachers were in a staff meeting. This 'mmother' however witnessed nothing first hand. As for the 62 children, I dont think there is any confirmation as to whether they saw a UFO, or UFO+being or just a being....I think it will be a mixed bag of combinations.

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:


It have been said that they saw the alien and the UFO in a area with extremely wild vegetation which the school have tried over and over to clear up.  Wouldn't we have seen evidence from wild vegetation that something was really there? Wouldn't we have seen broken branches and stuff like that?

I have not seen referenced to the school having tried over and over to clear up, I believed it to be more of a work in progress, seeing as their was only one gardener at the school. In addition the object would have to have landed there (as opposed to hovered) to cause any such damage. Although I would also add we are talking about possibly two different 'landing' 'hovering' areas. Shown in Map from afrinews 12.

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:


Note the majority of the kids who believed it was an alien and a UFO were white.
The majority of the black kids thought it was a tikoloshe - Dwarf-like creature which likes to play with kids.

This would make sense, however their beliefs are irrelavent to an extent, its more their visual descriptions that count.

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:


The majority didn't believe it was an alien and a UFO - We should also note that none of the kids saw the "UFO" land

how is this? were a majority of the 62 children black? And yes plenty did believe that the UFO landed, one example is a child called Guy G (who was claimed to be the most composed and articulate of the children), also note his parents did not believe him to which he said he would keep it inside then....

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:


So so did they see something unnatural or was it just imagination.
One little girl believe imagination was a possibility. She couldn't see any UFO or alien. She saw something very bright in the bush and something dark. To quote her: "It could have been a branch or something like that"

I saw this as a major red flag but not as major as the ones to come.

The girl you referred to there makes no such comment in regards ot it being imagination?!? She does state as you say it could have been a branch or something, but she is talking about the darkness on the 'UFO' anyhow the main bit here is that this girl is not part of the 62 children, but someone who witnessed something the day before the main sighting!

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:


Then Cynthia heard about this strange incident and contacted the school. The headmaster told the kids that a UFO investigator was coming to question them about the "sighting" and wanted them to draw what they saw.
Now the kids knew that the "sighting" has intrigued a UFO investigator. This is where i believe the "instructions" started.
Even before Cynthia came to the school, the kids knew that she only wanted to look at the alien aspect of this "sighting"

not quite, the teacher asked the children to draw pictures as soon as they returned to class and hearing of their 'story'. Once Cynthia was contacted she was 'pleased' the teacher made the children draw what they saw. In addition I have seen nothing to say that the teacher would have described/introduced cynthia as a 'UFO investigator' let alone them understanding what a UFO investigator is.

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:


Then Cynthia came to the school and the kids had there drawings ready. She noted all the drawing with a UFO and an alien, but discarded all the other drawings. We had 62 drawings of the event and only a dozen of the drawings were UFO related. Not even half of the drawings had anything to do with a UFO.

hmm, I havent found anyhting to show me the remaining pictures and if they did or did not contain UFOs or 'beings'?!??! have you? The bolded above indicates quite strongly that you know this somehow??

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:


Cynthia and John started the interviewing the kids which drew the UFO drawings. Note how they interviewed the kids.
They interviewed them in such a way, so the kids were answering the way the kids thought Cynthia and John wanted them to.

This is were the major "instructions" started.

I thought cynthia and John interviewed at different times...John a couple of months after I believe. Also how do we know the kids interviewed are those with the drawings?

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:


Just a quick exsample.

John: Is this an idea that you have had before, that we don't look after the planet properly and the air or did this idea come to you when you had this experience?
Girl: When I had this experience.

John: At what point did you feel that? When you saw the craft or when you got home at night?
Girl: When I got home.

See a pattern?

She is answering what she thinks John wants to hear. This is exactly what i ment earlier in the thread, when stating if you got a camera in a 3rd world country you can get the kids to say anything.


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I agree that the methods used by John are somewhat frustrating due to the suggestive nature. And yes the child always opting for choice two is a possible clue, but this would have to be repeated many times to avoid coincidental choice. i.e. take the two questions above, for the child to opt for choice two in both scenarios is around 25% on a strict probability basis (obviously 50% on a single question)....It may raise a little doubt but confirms nothing.

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Edited by quillius, 30 November 2011 - 11:30 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

Good Morning Scepticus,
thank you for the response and theory outline.
I will try and address all your points, I will exclude links at times, should you require confirmation on any point I make please feel free to ask and I will provide, being short of time its easier to be reactive as opposed to proactive with links.  :tu:

ok, I agree that the children could have been influenced by both TV and radio.

Morning to you as well.

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

no a woman did not see either a ufo nor the being. Maybe the lady you are referring to is the mother of one of the children who was minding the tuck shop at the time, as all the teachers were in a staff meeting. This 'mmother' however witnessed nothing first hand. As for the 62 children, I dont think there is any confirmation as to whether they saw a UFO, or UFO+being or just a being....I think it will be a mixed bag of combinations.

Yes its quite possible its her i was thinking of. But then another question arises. Where is this shop located? How far is it from the "sighting" area?


View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

I have not seen referenced to the school having tried over and over to clear up, I believed it to be more of a work in progress, seeing as their was only one gardener at the school. In addition the object would have to have landed there (as opposed to hovered) to cause any such damage. Although I would also add we are talking about possibly two different 'landing' 'hovering' areas. Shown in Map from afrinews 12.

?

Two diffrent areas? I dont quite follow.

All the imformation i have read regarding this case, says the "UFO" was supposably stationary, not hovering nor flying around.  

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

This would make sense, however their beliefs are irrelavent to an extent, its more their visual descriptions that count.

Exactly, this is one of my points. The majority of the kids didn't see UFO or an alien. The majority just saw a little black man with long black hair, no "UFO" or alien. When did we start to resemble little black men with long black hair with aliens?  

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

how is this? were a majority of the 62 children black?

Think you are misunderstanding a bit. I said the majority who believes they saw a UFO and an alien were white. This doesn't mean all the white kids saw an UFO. Plenty of white kids in the group of 62, didn't see a UFO and an alien.

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

And yes plenty did believe that the UFO landed, one example is a child called Guy G (who was claimed to be the most composed and articulate of the children), also note his parents did not believe him to which he said he would keep it inside then....

Try to gather all information about the witnesses and see how many actually said they saw the UFO land.
I wasn't aware of Guy G saying he saw it land, i would like a refrence for this claim.  
Of all the information i have read, it says nothing about they seeing the UFO land.

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

The girl you referred to there makes no such comment in regards ot it being imagination?!? She does state as you say it could have been a branch or something, but she is talking about the darkness on the 'UFO' anyhow the main bit here is that this girl is not part of the 62 children, but someone who witnessed something the day before the main sighting!

She was one of the 62 kids. Also it wasn't the day before, it was at the same time as the supposably "sighting"
The 16th of September

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

not quite, the teacher asked the children to draw pictures as soon as they returned to class and hearing of their 'story'. Once Cynthia was contacted she was 'pleased' the teacher made the children draw what they saw. In addition I have seen nothing to say that the teacher would have described/introduced cynthia as a 'UFO investigator' let alone them understanding what a UFO investigator is.

Its wasn't the teacher, it was the headmaster.
And no she didn't ask them to draw what they saw just after the incident. She asked them to draw what saw when they knew Cynthia was coming.
Do you really believe the headmaster would have told the kids that Cynthia was coming without telling them who she was and what she does?

Headmaster: Kids, shut up! Cynthia is coming tomorrow behave nicely.
Kids: Who is Cynthia?
Headmaster: A women
Kids: Okaaaaaay, what do she want?
Headmaster: To talk to you.
Kids: About?
Headmaster: About your "sighting"
Kids: Why?
Headmaster: SHUT UP!

Yes, thats a very lickly scenario.

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

hmm, I havent found anyhting to show me the remaining pictures and if they did or did not contain UFOs or 'beings'?!??! have you? The bolded above indicates quite strongly that you know this somehow??

I use my common sense. I would have taken copies of ALL the pictures if they were UFO related, but for some reason Cynthia didn't do this, why is that?

Wouldn't you believe if all the drawings showed a UFO and an alien they would have been available on the internet?
Wouldn't you think Cynthia would have taken copies all the pictures, if they were all UFO related?
She only took a dozen, why is that? Maybe because the rest of pictures didn't show any UFO or alien.

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

I thought cynthia and John interviewed at different times...John a couple of months after I believe. Also how do we know the kids interviewed are those with the drawings?

I agree they didn't do it at the same time. It was Cynthia who contacted John.
How do we know if it was the same kids? We don't, but if it wasn't the same kids then there's no story here. The incident would just be BS.

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

I agree that the methods used by John are somewhat frustrating due to the suggestive nature. And yes the child always opting for choice two is a possible clue, but this would have to be repeated many times to avoid coincidental choice. i.e. take the two questions above, for the child to opt for choice two in both scenarios is around 25% on a strict probability basis (obviously 50% on a single question)....It may raise a little doubt but confirms nothing.

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Which wasn't done. You are right, this confirms nothing but it strongly indicates that the kids just wanted to say what John and Cynthia wanted to hear.

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Edited by Scepticus, 30 November 2011 - 01:37 PM.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 02:10 PM

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

Exactly, this is one of my points. The majority of the kids didn't see UFO or an alien. The majority just saw a little black man with long black hair, no "UFO" or alien. When did we start to resemble little black men with long black hair with aliens?  


Despite not having long black hair, is this a video of the cops catching an alien?

http://www.liveleak....=e7c_1195183530

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 03:20 PM

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

Morning to you as well.



Yes its quite possible its her i was thinking of. But then another question arises. Where is this shop located? How far is it from the "sighting" area?


she was the only adult around the other teachers were in a meeting. here is a bit of text from Cynthia:

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Their teachers were in a meeting and did not come out. When I queried the headmaster about this he said the children always shouted and yelled during their playtime and no-one thought there was anything unusual going on. The only other adult available at the time was one of the mothers who was running the tuckshop. When the children came to call her, she did not believe them and would not come out: she was not prepared to leave the tuckshop with all the food and money
?

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:


Two diffrent areas? I dont quite follow.

All the imformation i have read regarding this case, says the "UFO" was supposably stationary, not hovering nor flying around.  

page 7 for map and possible two locations

With regards to hovering or flying

maybe best to go through these two links to see many of the descriptions, you will see that a majority say hovering or landing, in addition to seeing it come in to land/hover.
version 11


View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:


Exactly, this is one of my points. The majority of the kids didn't see UFO or an alien. The majority just saw a little black man with long black hair, no "UFO" or alien. When did we start to resemble little black men with long black hair with aliens?  


actually I have not heard or read of one account of a little black man, let alone it being a majority. They all describe a little man dressed in black outfit, and again most describe and discuss a UFO. hoepfully the two links above will provide some good info for you.



View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:


Try to gather all information about the witnesses and see how many actually said they saw the UFO land.
I wasn't aware of Guy G saying he saw it land, i would like a refrence for this claim.  
Of all the information i have read, it says nothing about they seeing the UFO land.

again please use above links for the info.
There are some other good links I have posted previously on thread.

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:


She was one of the 62 kids. Also it wasn't the day before, it was at the same time as the supposably "sighting"
The 16th of September

nope it was a girl called Fiona aged 9, I am sure that is also contained in above links, if not then I will find you the required link.

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:


Its wasn't the teacher, it was the headmaster.
And no she didn't ask them to draw what they saw just after the incident. She asked them to draw what saw when they knew Cynthia was coming.
Do you really believe the headmaster would have told the kids that Cynthia was coming without telling them who she was and what she does?
ok yes I still classed him as a teacher, but yes it was the headmaster. This is actually Cynthia's version that she had suggested it (maybe trying to take too much credit), I have seen something to the contrary as investigated by Tom Leach from the BBC (who was one of the first there) to report on the event. Either way there is no confirmation here of any suggestion of who she was and why she was coming, if pre-warned at all about a visit.



View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:


I use my common sense. I would have taken copies of ALL the pictures if they were UFO related, but for some reason Cynthia didn't do this, why is that?

Wouldn't you believe if all the drawings showed a UFO and an alien they would have been available on the internet?
Wouldn't you think Cynthia would have taken copies all the pictures, if they were all UFO related?
She only took a dozen, why is that? Maybe because the rest of pictures didn't show any UFO or alien.
she said she has photocopies of all the drawings that were clear. As you can imagine some of the drawings from 5 year olds wouldnt really tell you much. She took much more than a dozen, I believe around 40.

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:


I agree they didn't do it at the same time. It was Cynthia who contacted John.
How do we know if it was the same kids? We don't, but if it wasn't the same kids then there's no story here. The incident would just be BS.

???we can see most interviews as they have been posted? are you suggesting he may have interviewed children that were not involved at all?


View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:



Which wasn't done. You are right, this confirms nothing but it strongly indicates that the kids just wanted to say what John and Cynthia wanted to hear.

:D


I believe this part to be far more complicated than that, but lets say I do agree his method was not correct IMO


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Posted 30 November 2011 - 04:02 PM

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

actually I have not heard or read of one account of a little black man, let alone it being a majority. They all describe a little man dressed in black outfit, and again most describe and discuss a UFO. hoepfully the two links above will provide some good info for you.

You haven't read the link you provided, have you?

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

again please use above links for the info.
There are some other good links I have posted previously on thread.

I find it quite curious that Cynthia didn't say this in her first report to MUFON. But maybe she didn't fell it was relavant at this point. However you are right.

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

nope it was a girl called Fiona aged 9, I am sure that is also contained in above links, if not then I will find you the required link.

YES she was part of the 62 kids. Read your own link.

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

ok yes I still classed him as a teacher, but yes it was the headmaster. This is actually Cynthia's version that she had suggested it (maybe trying to take too much credit), I have seen something to the contrary as investigated by Tom Leach from the BBC (who was one of the first there) to report on the event. Either way there is no confirmation here of any suggestion of who she was and why she was coming, if pre-warned at all about a visit.

Ofcourse the kids was told who she was and when she was coming. You were never told if someone were going to visit your class and why they were visiting, back in the days? I was.  


View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

she said she has photocopies of all the drawings that were clear. As you can imagine some of the drawings from 5 year olds wouldnt really tell you much. She took much more than a dozen, I believe around 40.

Why can't a 5 year old draw a spaceship and an alien? I have seen plenty of exsamples. Nevermind.
If she has around 40 pictures why is it we only see the dozen which indicates UFO? Also that means 22 of the drawings wasn't clear enough? She can imagne UFO landing in a school but cant imagne what the last 22 pictures resembles? Hmmmmm

View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

???we can see most interviews as they have been posted? are you suggesting he may have interviewed children that were not involved at all?

No no I have just realized i misunderstood you previous post regarding this matter.


View Postquillius, on 30 November 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

I believe this part to be far more complicated than that, but lets say I do agree his method was not correct IMO

Glad to see we agree at some point.

All in all i do not see this as a strong case regarding aliens visiting Earth.

:D

Edited by Scepticus, 30 November 2011 - 04:04 PM.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 04:10 PM

Have any of you actually talked to the teachers and students that actually had the sightings ?
It does seem that more evidence would be needed to even talk about such an event. And also eyewittnesses !
we are all going by hearsay and speculation What if theses kids saw a military exercise or other event that just got blown into a UFO craze event?

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 04:16 PM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 30 November 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

Have any of you actually talked to the teachers and students that actually had the sightings ?
It does seem that more evidence would be needed to even talk about such an event. And also eyewittnesses !
we are all going by hearsay and speculation What if theses kids saw a military exercise or other event that just got blown into a UFO craze event?

Exactly. It could have been a military helicopter with black drawfs for all we know.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 04:26 PM

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:

You haven't read the link you provided, have you?

I have actually, a few times. With this in mind, your initial point here is they describe a little black man, I say this is not the case they describe a little man in black outfit. Can you show me just one that describes a little black man?

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:


I find it quite curious that Cynthia didn't say this in her first report to MUFON. But maybe she didn't fell it was relavant at this point. However you are right.

:tu:

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:


YES she was part of the 62 kids. Read your own link.

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One little girl believe imagination was a possibility. She couldn't see any UFO or alien. She saw something very bright in the bush and something dark. To quote her: "It could have been a branch or something like that"

ahh so she was :) therefore back to your initial point, where does she say she believes this could be imagination? and secondly what could a very bright strange object in the bush be? without shortening it to something bright! she says 'object' = UFO?  :yes:

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:


Ofcourse the kids was told who she was and when she was coming. You were never told if someone were going to visit your class and why they were visiting, back in the days? I was.  

maybe again we have nothing to prove this either way do we? Therefore to build a solution based on this premise would be somewhat 'speculative' at best.


View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:


Why can't a 5 year old draw a spaceship and an alien? I have seen plenty of exsamples. Nevermind.
If she has around 40 pictures why is it we only see the dozen which indicates UFO? Also that means 22 of the drawings wasn't clear enough? She can imagne UFO landing in a school but cant imagne what the last 22 pictures resembles? Hmmmmm

They can, would they all be clear? i dont think so. as to why not all shown, I dont know the answer to that,

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:



No no I have just realized i misunderstood you previous post regarding this matter.

no worries

View PostScepticus, on 30 November 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:



Glad to see we agree at some point.

All in all i do not see this as a strong case regarding aliens visiting Earth.

:D

lets just see if we can solve it...whatever the answer my be :)





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