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[MID]

TheMcGuffin, on 08 November 2011 - 10:56 PM, said:

You're right, I don't give a rat's ass about the S4B or the panels, which were at least 7,000 miles away.

Not possible, McG.
Where'd you come up with that number?

[MID]

lost_shaman, on 09 November 2011 - 02:43 AM, said:

To be an SLA Panel, it would have to be much closer than 50-100 miles. About 13 miles actually.

Why's that lost?

[MID]

lost_shaman, on 09 November 2011 - 04:55 AM, said:

That's correct. Therefore SLA Panels are the 'new' explaination.

No, not new.
TYhat explanation was proposed in 1969, and it has never been refuted.

[lost_shaman]

MID, on 11 November 2011 - 01:09 AM, said:

No, not new.
TYhat explanation was proposed in 1969, and it has never been refuted.

As someone else here said, it's a 'force fit' explaination that doesn't work. To fit the description of being near the resolution limit of the eye, an SLA Panel would have to have been ~13 miles from LM. I've always maintained that there is no way an SLA panel ever got that close to the LM near the time of the sighting.

[booNyzarC]

lost_shaman, on 11 November 2011 - 01:30 AM, said:

As someone else here said, it's a 'force fit' explaination that doesn't work. To fit the description of being near the resolution limit of the eye, an SLA Panel would have to have been ~13 miles from LM. I've always maintained that there is no way an SLA panel ever got that close to the LM near the time of the sighting.

Are you sure that it would have to be that close?  Reflected light can be visible from a great distance, especially in the blackness of space.  Is it not possible that the reflected light caught their attention and then they saw more details by looking through the sextant @ 28x magnification as indicated by mcrom's earlier link?

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booNyzarC, on 11 November 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

Are you sure that it would have to be that close?  Reflected light can be visible from a great distance, especially in the blackness of space.  Is it not possible that the reflected light caught their attention and then they saw more details by looking through the sextant @ 28x magnification as indicated by mcrom's earlier link?

If I may interject

the problem LS pointed out with that is the original observation was made by eye

"Aldrin: The first unusual thing that we saw I guess was one day out or something pretty close to the moon. It had a sizable dimension to it, so we put the monocular on it.

Buzz also says:

"Of course, we were seeing all sorts of little objects going by at the various dumps and then we happened to see this one brighter object going by. We couldn't think of anything else it could be other than the S-IVB. We looked at it through the monocular and it seemed to have a bit of an L shape to it."

and he then says:

"We thought it could have been a panel, but it didn't appear to have that shape (an 'open book') at all."

Which does not match what he said earlier at all. I think Buzz is a little confused here, and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. My suspicion is that we must have miscalculated the distances, and the panel was either closer than thought, or your suggestion of an iridium flare situation.

Edited by psyche101, 11 November 2011 - 02:02 AM.

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booNyzarC, on 11 November 2011 - 01:41 AM, said:

Are you sure that it would have to be that close?  Reflected light can be visible from a great distance, especially in the blackness of space.  Is it not possible that the reflected light caught their attention and then they saw more details by looking through the sextant @ 28x magnification as indicated by mcrom's earlier link?

They saw it first with the naked eye and then looked at in the Sextant. They said it was right at or near the resolution limit of the eye when they noticed it. Ok. so that is about 60 arc seconds. An SLA panel is a bit less than 22 ft at it's longest so let's just say 22 ft. So at 22 ft to be 6o arc seconds it would have to be 14.32 miles distant.

Where it further away it wouldn't fit the description, as it would be too small to resolve with the eye and would look like a 'flashing' star which isn't what they described.

[booNyzarC]

Fair enough, I really haven't devoted much research at all to this one and the thought occurred to me to ask.

[psyche101]

booNyzarC, on 11 November 2011 - 02:15 AM, said:

Fair enough, I really haven't devoted much research at all to this one and the thought occurred to me to ask.

It is still interesting that he changed his mind on the description. I do wonder if the distances are merely grossly underestimated.

[TheMcGuffin]

MID, on 11 November 2011 - 01:03 AM, said:

Not possible, McG.
Where'd you come up with that number?

That's what Buzz Adrin and the others said--it was about 6,000 nautical miles behind them.

[TheMcGuffin]

DBunker, on 10 November 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

All you need is watching Seven Greers disclosure project on youtube, or, reading
Stanton Friedmans book about Roswell.

That's so far off-base with me that it means you have not really paid attention to anything I've ever said.

[booNyzarC]

psyche101, on 11 November 2011 - 03:15 AM, said:

It is still interesting that he changed his mind on the description. I do wonder if the distances are merely grossly underestimated.

It may not be possible at this point to know one way or the other.  Like so many other supposedly monumental UFO sightings from antiquity, this one is likely to never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.  Tis the nature of the beast I'm afraid.

[MID]

TheMcGuffin, on 11 November 2011 - 03:25 AM, said:

That's what Buzz Adrin and the others said--it was about 6,000 nautical miles behind them.

No, that was the SIV-B, McG.
The 4 panels traveled outbound with them, as they were separated from the SIV-B prior to the SIV-B's manever.
They traveled with an outward velocity estimated to be between 10-15 FPS.  They had been doing so for ~ 53 hours +/-.
That means somewhere in the 300-400 mile range.


This thing most assuredly was a highly reflective SLA panel, ~ 15 feet by 30 feet or so, white on one side, silver on the other. It ooked like a rhytmically flashing star in the distance, which is perfectly logical.

There's no real mystery about this, save this:


What is the point of the discussion about it?
What else would it possibly have been?

Edited by MID, 11 November 2011 - 10:17 PM.

[Lilly]

MID, on 11 November 2011 - 10:09 PM, said:

...What is the point of the discussion about it?
What else would it possibly have been?

Psst...I suspect some people were hoping it might have been ET. I wish it was, but I'm convinced it was the SLA panel.

[MID]

Lilly, on 11 November 2011 - 10:31 PM, said:

Psst...I suspect some people were hoping it might have been ET. I wish it was, but I'm convinced it was the SLA panel.

Pssst....Yea, I know, Lil.


I was just hoping to get through the rather silly argument that's developing about something old and fleshed out before, and get to the point .  We are in the UFO thread.

I'd rather hear people attempt to prove that this big, spinning hunk of metal was ET!

i'M EVIL THAT WAY, YA KNOW!!!