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A plastic replica of a 40,000-year-old, size eight foot has shattered previous theories of the identity of the first humans to walk in the Americas. Scientists made the foot from tracks left on the shore of an ancient volcanic lake in central Mexico. The traditional view is that the first settlers walked across the Bering Strait, from Russia to Alaska, at the end of the last ice age around 11,500 to 11,000 years ago. But the discovery of footprints in the Valsequillo Basin by a British-led team provides new evidence that humans settled in the Americas as early as 40,000 years ago, suggesting that there were several migration waves at different times by different groups.

40,000-year-old footprint of first Americans shows fascinating human-like footprints recorded in volcanic ash in the americas. How can this be? As an alternative to the early human migration hypothesis, I'm suggesting that the de Loys' ape may have made them. Then compare to the finds in the massive cave system of "Brazil Searching for Extinct Giant Mammals in the Longest Cave of the Southern Hemisphere":

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The skull of Caipora bambuiorum, one of the two complete primate skeletons recovered from Toca da Boa Vista. It closely resembles the living spider monkey, but is more than twice the size, suggesting that South American monkeys participated fully in the mega-faunal phenomenon of the last Ice Age..Frontal view of the crania of Protopithecus (left) and Caipora (right), both from Toca da Boa Vista. They resemble living South American monkeys that inhabit the top levels of the tropical forest canopy, but they were significantly larger than any living species. Further exploration of Toca da Boa Vista hopefully will yield more primate species that also were quite large compared to modern monkeys

Twice size living spider monkeys!? They must be a contender for the footprints at least, surely?

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[Abramelin]

tailormaneinafog, on 15 November 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:

40,000-year-old footprint of first Americans shows fascinating human-like footprints recorded in volcanic ash in the americas. How can this be? As an alternative to the early human migration hypothesis, I'm suggesting that the de Loys' ape may have made them. Then compare to the finds in the massive cave system of "Brazil Searching for Extinct Giant Mammals in the Longest Cave of the Southern Hemisphere":


Twice size living spider monkeys!? They must be a contender for the footprints at least, surely?

Well, look at those feet:

[RingFenceTheCity]

Abramelin, on 15 November 2011 - 11:57 AM, said:

Well, look at those feet:

Yes, and if a spider monkey evolved over millions of years to walk bipedally, then the footprints would be near identical to a human print wouldn't they?

[Abramelin]

tailormaneinafog, on 15 November 2011 - 01:32 PM, said:

Yes, and if a spider monkey evolved over millions of years to walk bipedally, then the footprints would be near identical to a human print wouldn't they?

Well, if they did find the skeleton of a bipedal (spider) monkey, then yes: you could be right.

Btw: a bit more about those footprints (plus more pics):
http://news.bbc.co.u...ure/4650307.stm

[DieChecker]

tailormaneinafog, on 15 November 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:

40,000-year-old footprint of first Americans shows fascinating human-like footprints recorded in volcanic ash in the americas.

Cool link Tail-Fog. This could be the evidence that busts open the Clovis theory once and for all.

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Twice size living spider monkeys!? They must be a contender for the footprints at least, surely?

That the footprints are giant spider monkeys... is unevidenced and even more unlikely then humans making them.

Spider monkeys are supposed to be around 16 to 24 inches long, so double that would be 48 inches tall, or about 4 feet (1.3m) tall. They are supposed to weigh up to 20 pounds so a double height monkey should weigh around 160 pounds. That would be tall enough and heavy enough to make such tracks, but I don't think their legs would allow that trackway pattern that is shown in the volcanic ash.

[psyche101]

Very interesting indeed. Perhaps this might reveal some valuable insights all round, Australia was settled long before this, perhaps we might be on a path that will help us learn more of the first sailors. It will be quite a battle to validate.

[RingFenceTheCity]

Thanks for all your positive posts. Mind you, the de Loys' ape photo doesn't look like it has the right feet. Maybe that was a fake..but the cave bones are good..

Edited by tailormaneinafog, 16 November 2011 - 02:38 PM.

[RingFenceTheCity]

I'm now leaning towards the existance of bipedal spider monkeys for the origins of the pendek, yeti, yowie, littleman and bigfoot.

[Night Walker]

tailormaneinafog, on 17 November 2011 - 11:02 AM, said:

I'm now leaning towards the existance of bipedal spider monkeys for the origins of the pendek, yeti, yowie, littleman and bigfoot.

De Loys ape - Ameranthropoides loysi - was a prank/hoax.

If there is any doubt that the original photos was of a regular spider monkey then I encourage you to read Ameranthropoides loysi Montandon 1929: the History of a Primatological Fraud - http://www.amazon.co...l/dp/1597544450

Better stick with your hyrax theory - at least it is original...

[psyche101]

Night Walker, on 18 November 2011 - 03:15 AM, said:

De Loys ape - Ameranthropoides loysi - was a prank/hoax.

If there is any doubt that the original photos was of a regular spider monkey then I encourage you to read Ameranthropoides loysi Montandon 1929: the History of a Primatological Fraud - http://www.amazon.co...l/dp/1597544450

Better stick with your hyrax theory - at least it is original...

That fuel can is a dead giveaway


Oops, scale has entered the picture! LOL.

[docyabut2]

http://www.timeslive...found-in-mexico
look at the picture.
On further inspection, they are quarry marks that have weathered into shapes that resemble footprints.

Edited by docyabut2, 18 November 2011 - 04:38 AM.

[DieChecker]

docyabut2, on 18 November 2011 - 04:37 AM, said:

http://www.timeslive...found-in-mexico
look at the picture.
On further inspection, they are quarry marks that have weathered into shapes that resemble footprints.

That article seems to imply that there are only 5 tracks from 3 individuals. If that is true, then I think a lot of what they are making of this is Bunk. The age would be hard to pinpoint as these are not buried. You can see moss and lichens growing in them, they have been exposed for years and years.

Edit. I guess the original recording of the prints was in 2003, so moss and lichens could have set up by now. The OP article says there were 269 prints of animals and humans (supposedly), which makes me think that these are not just random quarry marks.

I do wonder what kind of quarry it was if it was only quarring stone less then 40,000 years old?

Edited by DieChecker, 18 November 2011 - 05:39 AM.

[docyabut2]

Archaeologists expressed caution about the reported discovery of 40,000-year-old human footprints in central Mexico.I`d have to agree I don`t see anything that actully has toes.



http://www.usatoday....ootprints_x.htm

Edited by docyabut2, 18 November 2011 - 11:24 AM.

[Abramelin]

I posted this a long time ago:


The famous primatologist, Ernest Hooten also identified the animal in the photograph as a spider monkey. In addition he had word from an acquaintance in South America that men who accompanied De Loys had testified that the animal shot and photographed was indeed a spider monkey.

PROOF IN THE BAG

During the course of my early field work in northern Colombia I made a point of exploring the same Tarra river region visited by De Loys. The area is one of the wildest in South America. It is inhabited by a savage tribe of the Motilones Indians, but not any man-like apes. Spider monkeys, however, were abundant and I secured a large series for laboratory study. These monkeys agreed in everything from the thumbless hands to the triangular blaze on the forehead, with the photograph of Ameranthropoides loysi, a copy of which I carried with me. The animals proved to belong to a race of the common species of spider monkeys known technically as Ateles belzebut hybridus. The largest specimen I secured, a female, measured 21 inches from crown to base of tail. The largest spider monkey on record, also a female of the same species, measured 26 inches in combined head and body length.

How these dimensions compare with those of the animal photographed by De Loys is impossible to judge with accuracy. Standing height measurements such as those given by De Loys and Montandon for Ameranthropoides loysi are not reliable. It may be possible, however, to make a rough estimate of the size of the animal by using for a scale the box in the photograph. According to De Loys this was a petrol crate. If it was of the common sort used in northern South America it packed two 5 gallon cans and its height is not over 15 inches. The cans themselves are 13 inches high. The height of the monkey from seat to crown is 1.8 times the height of the box or 27 inches. This is the combined length of head, body and buttocks. Account must be taken of the fact that the head and feet of the animal are nearer the camera than the crate and, therefore, appear disproportionately larger in the photograph than they are in life. The adjusted dimensions for combined head and body length alone would probably be under 25 inches. It may be safe to conclude, therefore, that far from being a giant ape, Ameranthropoides loysi is not only a common spider monkey but is hardly an extremely large one.

From time to time our attention is called to expeditions being formed, or only planned, for the purpose of finding a real specimen of the ape man of northern South America.
It is hoped that the information in this article may be of some help.

http://www.archive.o...31chic_djvu.txt

[RingFenceTheCity]

Here's a monkey-like bigfoot image from the California BF group.

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Edited by tailormaneinafog, 23 November 2011 - 02:28 PM.