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#16    Persia

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 08:54 AM

Natalie Wood Had Eerie, Lifelong Connection to Water

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 09:09 AM

I think that the capitan is now talking is because he was afraid to talk 30 years ago in fear of being killed, especially if he actually saw Wagner kill her. Now that he is an old man he probably does not care if he is killed.
  But there is other evidence that she was killed with a new witness, a woman who was on a nearby boat who head her screaming for help. She also says there were no lights on the boat looking for her.
  Concerning the state of her body, I was listening to Dr.Baden and he said there were mysterious brusis on her wrists like she was held underwater.


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Posted 20 November 2011 - 09:15 AM

Well that adds a new spin on it if it bears out to be true.  I just can't see anything conclusive coming out of it after 30 years.  On a personal note, yes, I felt a little "off" about the official story at the time of her death.  Don't know if I feel enough to point a finger in any direction today though.  Don't like Robert Wagner, but that's just personal opinion that has never changed and I can't justify using that to blame him directly - just don't think he would have been a great husband from what I have heard over the years - apparently they both had drinking problems.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 09:20 AM

View PostMike 215, on 20 November 2011 - 09:09 AM, said:

I think that the capitan is now talking is because he was afraid to talk 30 years ago in fear of being killed, especially if he actually saw Wagner kill her. Now that he is an old man he probably does not care if he is killed.
  But there is other evidence that she was killed with a new witness, a woman who was on a nearby boat who head her screaming for help. She also says there were no lights on the boat looking for her.
  Concerning the state of her body, I was listening to Dr.Baden and he said there were mysterious brusis on her wrists like she was held underwater.


The guy wrote a book on that night, he can make a lot of money and this is stirring more interest in it.  How many books will he be  selling now that he has come out to tell what really happened that night?  I think it is all about greed.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 09:23 AM

View Postglorybebe, on 20 November 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

The guy wrote a book on that night, he can make a lot of money and this is stirring more interest in it.  How many books will he be  selling now that he has come out to tell what really happened that night?  I think it is all about greed.

Exactly.  Besides, bodies can bruise underwater and she was wearing a heavy woollen sweater that pulled her under.  
I don't think the captain was afraid of being bumped off all those years ago.  I think he's probably a lonely old man with nothing better to do with his time than add fuel to an old fire.  Plus, Natalie Wood's sister: of course it's perfectly understandable for her to want to reopen the investigation, but she's always lived in her sister's shadow and lived off her celebrity.  It's annoying when people adopt a relative's stage name, eg. Kirk and Michael Douglas, Martin and Charlie Sheen. But I digress...

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:34 AM

The only problem I see is the reports of a women screeming and the fight with Wagnor was around the same time.She may have fallen and Wagor knew she was in the water. body report said she never died until reaching the shore after stuggling to get in the dingy,the dingy`s moter was still in a off position.

Wagor must have known she fell in the water by what meams and did`n atemped to help her in any way.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:45 AM

View PostLady_Mercury, on 21 November 2011 - 09:23 AM, said:

Exactly.  Besides, bodies can bruise underwater and she was wearing a heavy woollen sweater that pulled her under.  
I don't think the captain was afraid of being bumped off all those years ago.  I think he's probably a lonely old man with nothing better to do with his time than add fuel to an old fire.  Plus, Natalie Wood's sister: of course it's perfectly understandable for her to want to reopen the investigation, but she's always lived in her sister's shadow and lived off her celebrity.  It's annoying when people adopt a relative's stage name, eg. Kirk and Michael Douglas, Martin and Charlie Sheen. But I digress...

"Bodies" can't bruise - that requires blood flow aka: a beating heart, the bruising could only occur while she was still alive.  Without knowing the extent of the bruising we can't determine whether it is consistent with striking a dinghy or repeated strikes at inconsistent points on the body for a such a strike to reasonable.

I do agree that the notion the captain was afraid of being bumped off is ridiculous though.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 12:20 PM

View PostlibstaK, on 21 November 2011 - 11:45 AM, said:

"Bodies" can't bruise - that requires blood flow aka: a beating heart, the bruising could only occur while she was still alive.  Without knowing the extent of the bruising we can't determine whether it is consistent with striking a dinghy or repeated strikes at inconsistent points on the body for a such a strike to reasonable.

I do agree that the notion the captain was afraid of being bumped off is ridiculous though.

Sorry, I meant body as in torso etc, not deceased person.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 12:21 PM

Another point Wagnor said he went back to his room after the fight.But if Natalie wanted to get away from him at the moment of the fighting, she would not have gone back to the room frist, when her screemimg for help was heard by others was at the same time the captain heard them fighting on the deck.

Edited by docyabut2, 21 November 2011 - 01:17 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2011 - 07:51 PM

Why should we even care at this point?

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:29 PM

Natalie Wood Mystery: Witness Says She Heard Woman Scream 'Help Me, I'm Drowning'



Then I heard a man’s voice, slurred, and in aggravated tone, say something to the effect of, “Oh, hold on, we’re coming to get you,” and not long after, the cries for help subsided, but we heard the cries for up to 15 minutes.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1eNiqiyK3





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Posted 22 November 2011 - 01:26 AM

Given the size of the boat, it would be surprising if no one heard her cry for help. I'm sure she wasn't that drunk that she wouldn't have yelled. Unless there was noise on the boat from a TV or radio, music system or loud talking that no one could hear over. If other people heard her, why didn't they look?

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 03:50 AM

View Postsusieice, on 22 November 2011 - 01:26 AM, said:

Given the size of the boat, it would be surprising if no one heard her cry for help. I'm sure she wasn't that drunk that she wouldn't have yelled. Unless there was noise on the boat from a TV or radio, music system or loud talking that no one could hear over. If other people heard her, why didn't they look?

The Caption Dennis Daven said he was blasting loud music to drown out Natalie and Wagor`s fighting on the deck. So the facts are adding up.



The other whitness

While listening to the cries, we called the harbor patrol but no one answered,” Wayne said in her statement. “Then we called the sheriff’s office in Avalon, 12 miles away, and whoever answered told us a helicopter would be sent, but it did not come. We heard loud music coming from somewhere, so thought there was a party on a nearby boat. Then I heard a man’s voice, slurred, and in aggravated tone, say something to the effect of, “Oh, hold on, we’re coming to get you,” and not long after, the cries for help subsided, but we heard the cries for up to 15 minutes. We returned to bed, terribly disturbed.”

When the couple woke up the next morning, Wayne said they saw police boats and learned that Wood had drowned.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1eP5kAaQr

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 04:17 AM

Here's an interview with Wayne from ABC. She claims the sound was coming from about 40ft. away. At night, on the ocean, sound travels. So does light. If they had used a searchlight themselves you would think it would have been in the original report that someone saw it. I wonder how many people were interviewed as there are a lot of boats in the marinas around Catalina Island.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 09:02 AM

what is the point of re-opening the case?

He is American and a celebrity, regardless of eye witnesses and evidence there will only be one verdict.  Even if the Jury saw him do it he would still be found innocent.

I don't know why people find it so impossible to believe that a celebrity can commit crime, especially ones done in the heat of the moment.  The fact that he delayed rescue efforts for hours is surely horrendous enough.

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