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[Dougal]

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At least six people have died in Britain after being told they had been healed of HIV and could stop taking their medication, Sky News has discovered.

There is evidence evangelical churches in London, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow are claiming to cure HIV through God.
Sky sent three undercover reporters to the Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN), which is based in Southwark, south London.
All of them told the pastors they were HIV positive - all were told they could be healed.

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Not sure if this is the right area of the forums for this so apologies if not.

How do you guys feel about this? It amazes me that they're allowed to get away with things like this.

[Rlyeh]

Some people are just too gullible.

[bulveye]

Damn fools! So were the people in the church claiming to have spoken to god personally and passed on the message that these victims were cured? If I was the families i'd get together and sue the church!

[Beckys_Mom]

...What they told these people is just awful... and more fool them for believing them

Something sinister about what they have done

[fullywired]

I have just read this  article in the news section of Sky news ,i will post the link if any one wants to read the full article

My personal view is they should be prosecuted for spreading such  nonsense to dying people

fullywired








At least six people have died in Britain after being told that they  had been healed of HIV, and could stop taking their medication.

There is evidence that evangelical churches in London, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow are claiming to cure HIV through God.

http://uk.news.yahoo...-034935993.html

[Mr Right Wing]

fullywired, on 25 November 2011 - 04:20 PM, said:

I have just read this  article in the news section of Sky news ,i will post the link if any one wants to read the full article

My personal view is they should be prosecuted for spreading such  nonsense to dying people

fullywired

At least six people have died in Britain after being told that they  had been healed of HIV, and could stop taking their medication.

There is evidence that evangelical churches in London, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow are claiming to cure HIV through God.

http://uk.news.yahoo...-034935993.html

I would be interested in finding out if any placebo experiments have cured aids.

[Beckys_Mom]

I read this article over on the Science & Technology board, but I felt it is more suited here, it is to do with A Church and their beliefs

[ether2]

these clowns (no disrespect to christanity as a whole) are trying to get on to a process where by a handfull in Africa have been cured of Aids, without the use of medication, these clowns my bet if the story being true are peadophilies high in the chain of christanity, as all they got as a life line (wait and see why - TV etc soon) is to what some believe is to perform miracles of such, it has been done in other areas not just Aids and in order to save their arses they come with up BS in order to buy some time, as their is a thing (it's BS how it come about) but if you can do something in the area of saveing life being out of the ordinary you get to escape charges, they the legal system are just now learning how it is impossiable for such people to even be able to do the tasks they say they can do, of course the legal system learning understanding consciousness has the ability to say BS your claims are false, as their is a thing called schooling in these fields which determines your abilities to do the required tasks and it's all cross refernceable provable who's done what and when...

[Seeker79]

fullywired, on 25 November 2011 - 04:20 PM, said:

I have just read this  article in the news section of Sky news ,i will post the link if any one wants to read the full article

My personal view is they should be prosecuted for spreading such  nonsense to dying people

fullywired








At least six people have died in Britain after being told that they  had been healed of HIV, and could stop taking their medication.

There is evidence that evangelical churches in London, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow are claiming to cure HIV through God.

http://uk.news.yahoo...-034935993.html

Oh dear god...... That crap is not being exported out of the US is it. I thought europians were more sensible than that.

[libstaK]

It's craziness.  At the very least, if someone claims to be cured or is claiming to cure someone - there should be medical follow up to show if that is so.  It would have saved these poor people if they went and had another test done.  "Evangelical" is so often in my mind "Evil Angels" in their brainwashing of the masses.

[Bavarian Raven]

maybe, they just wanted to give the people some hope  
a little hope can go a long ways

[ether2]

libstaK, on 26 November 2011 - 01:26 AM, said:

It's craziness.  At the very least, if someone claims to be cured or is claiming to cure someone - there should be medical follow up to show if that is so.  It would have saved these poor people if they went and had another test done.  "Evangelical" is so often in my mind "Evil Angels" in their brainwashing of the masses.

it's all swept under the carpet so to speak hidden from the majority, what i'm associateing this with anyway the reason being is emotions equal energy and it's highly needed, thoughts also equal processes and needed, ("it's up there") take away that thoughts and energy processes without supplementing the cause and effect of those emotions/energy and thoughts and you have more bigger problems, it's being sorted out what to do in these areas now...

good luck

love

[libstaK]

Bavarian Raven, on 26 November 2011 - 04:25 AM, said:

maybe, they just wanted to give the people some hope  
a little hope can go a long ways

Hope I have no problem with, also faith.  They are great forces which can, as you say, go a long way.   

Pragmatism and logic, however, should never be shunted aside.  

A simple solution: pray for healing, believe in healing THEN see a doctor regularly and check the progress AND do not ignore the fact that science is also a force for good and can heal and go a long way too - don't set it aside, use both, if you believe in God then you can accept that everything in the world stems from him - including medical breakthroughs and treatments.

What these charlatans do in many cases, however, is tell people that to see a doctor is to lack the faith required for the healing to work.  Or, if the doctors prognosis does not match what they claim to be a healing they tell the poor soul that medicine is wrong and they are right - to "JUST have faith" and all with be well - now that is criminal negligence IMO.

[Beckys_Mom]

libstaK, on 26 November 2011 - 01:26 AM, said:

It's craziness.  At the very least, if someone claims to be cured or is claiming to cure someone - there should be medical follow up to show if that is so.  It would have saved these poor people if they went and had another test done.  "Evangelical" is so often in my mind "Evil Angels" in their brainwashing of the masses.

I agree with you there... I think it is wrong for any religious person to talk anyone out of taking meds that help them... It is cruel and wrong on so many levels... I can't believe some trusted in them...  The law should forbid churches from doing this.. it is harmful and has been noted in the past to lead to death with people thinking faith can cure

[fullywired]

Dougal, on 25 November 2011 - 11:54 AM, said:

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Not sure if this is the right area of the forums for this so apologies if not.

How do you guys feel about this? It amazes me that they're allowed to get away with things like this.

Sorry Dougal didn't realise you had posted this article elsewhere,I only read the the spiritual and sceptics as a rule'
fullywired