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Govt. Activating "Fema Camps" Across U.S. A.


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:11 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 07 December 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

why would they be inviting contracts for stocking food, manning the camps, laundry, clothing, security services, etc. think about it.
Because they do it all the time. It's easy-money for contractors, and the military recently has been contracting out a lot of these jobs that used to be traditionally held by military members. No one want's to join the military to be a cook or a laundry-man anymore.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:14 PM

View PostCorp, on 07 December 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

So inviting contracts, if claims of that are true, equals death camps? That's one hell of a leap of logic there.

Plus as Michelle already posted these camps have been fully stocked and manned for the last six years. Those poor guards must be bored out of their skulls.

If it operates like any other department of the military, or 'quasi-military', then contracts for supply are of fixed-duration and are then re-put out to tender. Likely this is what has happened, and people are either fear-mongering or have not bothered to avail themselves of the facts.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:14 PM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 07 December 2011 - 06:08 PM, said:

IF they are trying to do this, it won't be that huge of effort. What's to do? Have the right people in the right offices. By far not monumental.

There were more difficult plots to fool the public in history that actually worked.
You aren't from around these-here-parts, are ya copmpadre?  :w00t:
The US is FAR from ready to be militarized as Alex is implying. There would be out-right civil war.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:15 PM

View PostCorp, on 07 December 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

So inviting contracts, if claims of that are true, equals death camps? That's one hell of a leap of logic there.
so why did you make that leap?

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Plus as Michelle already posted these camps have been fully stocked and manned for the last six years. Those poor guards must be bored out of their skulls.
fully stocked, is there evidence from an official source for this?


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:20 PM

this is not the military contracting out as some have alleged here, this is a private corporation Kellog Brown and Root subcontracting out to other private contractors to man the camps. read the document.

Edited by Little Fish, 07 December 2011 - 06:21 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:37 PM

View PostKarlis, on 07 December 2011 - 01:15 PM, said:

Infowars.com has received a document originating from Halliburton  subsidiary KBR that provides details on a push to outfit FEMA and U.S.  Army camps around the United States. Entitled "Project Overview and  Anticipated Project Requirements," the document describes services KBR  is looking to farm out to subcontractors. The document was passed on to  us by a state government employee who wishes to remain anonymous for  obvious reasons.

Services up for bid include catering, temporary  fencing and barricades, laundry and medical services, power generation,  refuse collection, and other services required for temporary "emergency  environment" camps located in five regions of the United States.
Maybe their just making some places for the Occupy people to go after their kicked out of their respective cities??

View PostSpid3rCyd3, on 07 December 2011 - 02:04 PM, said:

Yep, read about this yesterday. Look for an economic collapse probably in the next 6-10 months, the government already knows it's coming, hence the camps.
So who's going to the camps? Troublemakers? The Unemployed? The Homeless? Gypsys? Jews?

View PostFLOMBIE, on 07 December 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

You believe you could defend yourself with your private gun against the Army, National Guard or whoever would arrest you? I doubt you could resist for very long.
Yes. Definately. The military follows an organized pattern. I was in the Army for 4 years. Any local resistance would be hard to tamp down, as no one would wear uniforms and anyone could be carrying a pistol or explosive device. I trained a bunch of national guard, did range safety dutys also. The National Guard might be better trained these days, but they were stupid bad back in 1992. We did training exercises with laser gear, where my squad (8 guys) snuck up on a company (near to 100) and wiped them out to about 50% strength and scattered the rest into the night.

Also. Many soldiers only serve 2, 3 or 4 years, right? Thus we have to conclude that there must be five or ten times as many citizens trained up to 4 years in the military, as there are soldiers currently under arms. Thus, all these people would need to do is organize (Can you say smartphone?) and gain military equipment (Raids?) and the war would stalemate pretty quick.

View PostSpid3rCyd3, on 07 December 2011 - 05:13 PM, said:

I think those military men and women will follow orders if it means not earning a paycheck to feed themselves and their families, well...most of them. Military may be some of the only actual jobs left that are viable after an economic collapse. There will probably be some staged event, or something that will make people willingly surrender their weapons due to some draconian law being passed as a result, you watch.
That is ridiculous. I've never meet a Servicemen who said they would fire on American citizens on purpose, or that they would fire on unarmed civilians. Paycheck or not. It is a standing order that soldiers are to disregard immoral and unlawful orders.

View PostFLOMBIE, on 07 December 2011 - 05:18 PM, said:

Well, I could see that scenario, but a bunch of civilians holding up against trained soldiers? No way.

But you have to take into context that soldiers are also trained to follow orders, especially those they do not like personally. I am pretty sure in a situation like this, there would be many deserters, and the reaction of lots of soldiers will be about how will be delt with those 'traitors'. It will also be ensured that these soldiers are made to believe they do the right thing. In times like that, it's always about what you believe.
I suspect it would go something like Libya, where a large percentage of the national military would surrender, or switch sides. I don't think Obama would go as far as bringing in Mexican, NATO or UN soldiers to enforce his Will, so the civil war would be over quickly.

View PostMr_Snstr, on 07 December 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

You also have to take into account foreign armies and mercenaries. Also the use of foreign nationals in the military. Doesn't look or sound like a problem now. But when they can pluck people out of 3rd world nations and offer them a paycheck more than they could ever earn in a lifetime...
When I was in the Army, you did not need to be a US citizen to join. You only had to have proof of a high school level education. I knew a lot of guys that were not citizens. One was from Columbia, one Guiana, one Costa Rica, I think even one guy was Cuban. Maybe that has changed, but I don't think so.

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Citizenship Requirements
U.S. citizens or Permanent Resident Aliens (people who have an INS I-151/I-551 “Green Card”) may join the U.S. Military. For more information about citizenship, visit the U.S. Immigration and Nationalization (INS) website.

Noncitizens may enlist. However, each Service has its own enlistment requirements for noncitizens. Contact a recruiter for more advice on a specific situation.
http://www.todaysmil...ce-requirements

View PostLittle Fish, on 07 December 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

why would they be inviting contracts for stocking food, manning the camps, laundry, clothing, security services, etc. think about it.
Why does the government pay 200 dollars for a hammer? Pork spending my friend. If they don't spend it, they don't get it again next year. Thus they have to spend it. When I was in the Army, I was a range safety for rifle training. We would very routinely stay several extra hours after the training was done, firing off tens, or hundreds, of thousands of rounds, because if we didn't we'd not get that much next year. It was pretty cool to do at the 50 cal range. Sometimes we'd make entire belts of nothing but tracer rounds.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:41 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 07 December 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

Why does the government pay 200 dollars for a hammer? Pork spending my friend. If they don't spend it, they don't get it again next year
this is not the military or government contracting out, this is a private corporation Kellog Brown and Root subcontracting out to other private contractors to man the camps. read the document.


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:43 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 07 December 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

I believe the 2 media individuals mentioned on this thread - Alex Jones and Glen Beck - would be 'right-leaning', if not outright 'right-wingers'?

So this 'information' about FEMA camps could be politically motivated hype to drum up fear of the 'left-leaning, socialist, commie' Obama Administration. Especially considering we are heading into 2012 - an election year.
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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:48 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 07 December 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

If it operates like any other department of the military, or 'quasi-military', then contracts for supply are of fixed-duration and are then re-put out to tender. Likely this is what has happened, and people are either fear-mongering or have not bothered to avail themselves of the facts.

Well sure if you want to bring logic and rational thought into the mix  :angry:


View PostLittle Fish, on 07 December 2011 - 06:15 PM, said:

so why did you make that leap?

fully stocked, is there evidence from an official source for this?

I didn't. You however did in post 41.

And no there's no official source on the stocking of FEMA camps because the whole thing is nothing more than paranoid foolishness.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:49 PM

View Postzenfahr, on 07 December 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

This makes much more sense.
are you claiming the document is faked by alex jones and glen beck?


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:50 PM

View PostMr_Snstr, on 07 December 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

You also have to take into account foreign armies and mercenaries. Also the use of foreign nationals in the military. Doesn't look or sound like a problem now. But when they can pluck people out of 3rd world nations and offer them a paycheck more than they could ever earn in a lifetime...
And then of course you have Blackwater the largest private army haliburton can buy.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:56 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 07 December 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

are you claiming the document is faked by alex jones and glen beck?

Or faked by someone else and they just decided to believe it. Or they know it's fake and they're just using it to get attention and make money.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:58 PM

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I didn't. You however did in post 41.
read it again.
I was saying that germans in the 40s (and some until their dying days decades later) denied the concentration camps, just as some here seem to be denying these FEMA camps are real. it was a commentary on some peoples capacity to deny evidence they don't want to believe.
it is you that made the leap to suggest I was saying the FEMA cams are death camps.

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And no there's no official source on the stocking of FEMA camps because the whole thing is nothing more than paranoid foolishness.
so you are saying this KBR document is a fake?
http://static.infowa...ral/kbr-doc.pdf

View PostCorp, on 07 December 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:

Or faked by someone else and they just decided to believe it. Or they know it's fake and they're just using it to get attention and make money.
do you have any evidence it is fake?


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:26 PM

View Posteqgumby, on 07 December 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

You aren't from around these-here-parts, are ya copmpadre?  :w00t:
The US is FAR from ready to be militarized as Alex is implying. There would be out-right civil war.
Yu are right, I am not US American, but German. I used to live in the US, though.

Please mind that I do not believe the US is, or will be, getting militarized. I simply don't know, but it's possible.

In this whole agenda, I think that the most difficult part is pulling up these camps without the population getting worried about what's going on. IF (big if) they are on Alex' road, this task was marvelously accomplished. Eventually taking control will be much easier as you think it will be, since they will be expecting major civil outbreaks.


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:27 PM

Here is the document on aptac-us.org server, so looks like its not a hoax.

http://www.aptac-us....BR 11-16-11.pdf





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