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9/11: The Flight 77 Eyewitnesses


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#1756    frenat

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:50 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 16 October 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

As someone who worked in the security industry for 5 years I think it's insane for a building like the Pentagon not to have cameras watching the entire exterior of the building + more cameras on the perimeter. I mean really that's what you would expect? I've seen hospitals with better security systems outside, this is the pentagon, unreal.

Based on my experience in the military, yes, that is what I'd expect.

Hospitals have less guards, often unarmed.  They have less locked doors and more entrances.  They have more visitors/patients without escorts or visible ID that regular employees would not recognize on sight and therefore would not immediately know if they were supposed to be there.  They also have drugs in multiple locations under minimal security due to frequency of use that they still need to prevent from being stolen.

The Pentagon has far more armed guards, more locked doors and less entrances, less visitors and the ones they do have either have escorts or visible identification.  They have valuable information but it is under multiple levels of security deeper in the building.

Edited by frenat, 16 October 2012 - 10:52 PM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:51 PM

View PostCzero 101, on 16 October 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

Wow... 5 whole years in the security industry.... well, I can certainly see how that would qualify you to know more about how to secure military installations than the government that's been doing it for much MUCH longer than 5 whole years... :unsure2:

Funny how you claim to have not been influenced by any CT websites, yet the stuff you're posting here is exactly the same ignorant "if I ran the zoo" garbage that those very same sites put out there... quite the co-inky dink, eh...


I never said I know more about secure military installations then the government. When did I say that exactly can you quote me? All the information I have recieved is from the docu's that I've watched, which I already stated. I'm simply asking if what I heard is true and if not why, is that too much for you too handle? I'm trying to get to truth and digging for information, nothing wrong with that seeing as this is the internet.

Go whine somewhere else.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:54 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 16 October 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

Oh come on man 1 camera shot isn't going to compromise the security of pentagon, plus they could just move the camera after.

Actually, a video camera is not required to determine what happened to American 77 and I have already identified the vertical stabilizer as that of a B-757 and wreckage at the Pentagon as wreckage from a B-757.

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They need to show it obviously because there is people out there who will not beleive it until they see it with their own eyes.

There are videos of American 11 and United 175 crashing into the WTC buildings and yet, some 9/11 conspiracist are claiming that no aircraft struck those buildings.

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Do you really want your governent to look shady like that?

How can that be when facts and physical evidence support the official story?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:54 PM

View Postfrenat, on 16 October 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

Based on my experience in the military, yes, that is what I'd expect.

Hospitals have less guards, often unarmed.  They have less locked doors and more entrances.  They have more visitors/patients without escorts or visible ID that regular employees would not recognize on sight and therefore would not immediately know if they were supposed to be there.  They also have drugs in multiple locations under minimal security due to frequency of use that they still need to prevent from being stolen.

The Pentagon has far more armed guards, more locked doors and less entrances, less visitors and the ones they do have either have escorts or visible identification.  They have valuable information but it is under multiple levels of security deeper in the building.

Still doesn't explain why they wouldn't have cameras on the exterior of the building. You think they have all that and no cameras? They have cameras.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:04 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 16 October 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Still doesn't explain why they wouldn't have cameras on the exterior of the building. You think they have all that and no cameras? They have cameras.

We also have photos of B-757 wreckage proving that a B-757 crashed at the Pentagon.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:05 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 16 October 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

I never said I know more about secure military installations then the government. When did I say that exactly can you quote me? All the information I have recieved is from the docu's that I've watched, which I already stated. I'm simply asking if what I heard is true and if not why, is that too much for you too handle? I'm trying to get to truth and digging for information, nothing wrong with that seeing as this is the internet.

Go whine somewhere else.

Typically when people start out a post saying something like "Based on my X years experience in {subject}" they are intending to put forth an opinion based upon their experience on that subject. Is that not what you were trying to say, that based on your long and extensive experience in the Security Sector, the Pentagon MUST have more cameras than are being admitted to?

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Yeah... that's what I thought....

Go troll some other forum where your whole 5 years as a Wal Mart rent-a-cop (or whatever) may impress the other 12-year-olds.





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Edited by Czero 101, 16 October 2012 - 11:08 PM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:06 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 16 October 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Still doesn't explain why they wouldn't have cameras on the exterior of the building. You think they have all that and no cameras? They have cameras.

You've seen two.  They were used to monitor traffic.  They have armed guards on regular patrol.  Why would they have a camera looking at an empty field?  then you have to have an extra person to monitor it.

It is also highly possible that there were other cameras but due to placement and frame rate they didn't capture anything, again being an empty field.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:06 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 16 October 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Actually, a video camera is not required to determine what happened to American 77 and I have already identified the vertical stabilizer as that of a B-757 and wreckage at the Pentagon as wreckage from a B-757.



There are videos of American 11 and United 175 crashing into the WTC buildings and yet, some 9/11 conspiracist are claiming that no aircraft struck those buildings.


How can that be when facts and physical evidence support the official story?

I'm not talking about the crazy beliefs of "some conspiracy theorists", we all saw the planes hit the WTC. I seen reports from 40-80% of Americans think 9/11 was an inside job. Even if that figure is inflated a little, this is a little more than just a few tinfoil hats on the internet. You would think the government would want people to see it with their own eyes, to cast away any doubt caused by disinformation or whatever else.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:10 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 16 October 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

We also have photos of B-757 wreckage proving that a B-757 crashed at the Pentagon.







You don't have to convince me it hit the pentagon I already beleive that. I beleive the government has the footage also.

I beleive all the planes crashed for real, but I still think there is something not right about the hole thing. I still think something is being hidden.

Edited by NocturnalWatcher, 16 October 2012 - 11:10 PM.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:12 PM

View PostCzero 101, on 16 October 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Typically when people start out a post saying something like "Based on my X years experience in {subject}" they are intending to put forth an opinion based upon their experience on that subject. Is that not what you were trying to say, that based on your long and extensive experience in the Security Sector, the Pentagon MUST have more cameras than are being admitted to?

:yes:

Yeah... that's what I thought....

Go troll some other forum where your whole 5 years as a Wal Mart rent-a-cop (or whatever) may impress the other 12-year-olds.
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You can beleive whatever you want, but you sound like a whiny kid with a bad attitude.

I think there was cameras, if you don't that's fine I could care less.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:21 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 16 October 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

You don't have to convince me it hit the pentagon I already beleive that. I beleive the government has the footage also.

I beleive all the planes crashed for real, but I still think there is something not right about the hole thing. I still think something is being hidden.

Since you already believe a plane hit the pentagon, what is the whole point about the video then?

I am confused, as the reason why the video was in question as it does not show a plane per the CT websites.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:23 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 16 October 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

I'm not talking about the crazy beliefs of "some conspiracy theorists", we all saw the planes hit the WTC. I seen reports from 40-80% of Americans think 9/11 was an inside job. Even if that figure is inflated a little, this is a little more than just a few tinfoil hats on the internet. You would think the government would want people to see it with their own eyes, to cast away any doubt caused by disinformation or whatever else.

What doubts? They are  denying clear photos of B-757 wreckage and impact damage inside and outside the Pentagon? Photos are presented and yet, you speak of the lack of videos, which goes to show that even if clear videos were presented they would simply deny the video evidence..

Edited by skyeagle409, 16 October 2012 - 11:25 PM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:31 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 16 October 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

What doubts? They are  denying clear photos of B-757 wreckage and impact damage inside and outside the Pentagon? Photos are presented and yet, you speak of the lack of videos, which goes to show that even if clear videos were presented they would simply deny the video evidence..

I asked where you got the pictures and I never got an answer. I haven't seen them until now and I need to know more about them before I form an opinion. Were they officially released? Who took them etc..


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:36 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 16 October 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

I asked where you got the pictures and I never got an answer.

I have many sources among these.

http://en.wikipedia....lines_Flight_77

http://www.911myths....lines_Flight_77

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:36 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 16 October 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

I'm not talking about the crazy beliefs of "some conspiracy theorists", we all saw the planes hit the WTC. I seen reports from 40-80% of Americans think 9/11 was an inside job.

Wrong, had you actually read the reports, the number of those that believe the inside job theory is dwindling.

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 16 October 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Even if that figure is inflated a little, this is a little more than just a few tinfoil hats on the internet. You would think the government would want people to see it with their own eyes, to cast away any doubt caused by disinformation or whatever else.

release other footage?  Even if it was available, the same thing would happen as what happened with the current pentagon footage.

There are those that claimed it was doctored.

So a hypothetical, if I may, suppose the Government released a video that clearly shows a 757 hit the pentagon.  Would you believe that it would satisfy everyone's curiosity 100%?

Or do you think there would be a lot of people screaming foul, as if the Government released a doctored video as well?

Think about that one for a second.

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