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9/11: The Flight 77 Eyewitnesses


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#856    MID

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:15 AM

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And in the case of 11 September and the events of the day, 40+ years in aviation including a fair amount of flying with 300 hour pilots,


b.s.
This means what?
40 + years instructing 300 hour pilots?

Tell me, oh esteemed CFI, what is it about this magical 300 hour pilot-hours number that you find to be so relevant to ultimate qualifications?

Just curious, as I have seen 300 hour pilots who flew circles around 1000 hour guys, and I've also sen 300 hour pilots who I knew weren't even close toqualifying for anything!.
I guess maybe they demonstrated folying into the Pentagon for you...or failed?




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after an analysis of the events of the day, 10 years after the fact, Common Sense tells you it's a damn lie.  It could not have happened the way they say it did, from aviation end to engineering and architectual end.  

I wish you actually knew what that was.  An avition, and engineering, and archetectural end????
Couldn't have happened?
It did.

You're never going to be able to prove that...so why bother keeping it up?


Common sense, as you say, has nothing whatsoever to do with conclusions such as you draw.

it's a complete lack of it, frankly.


And that--from an aviation, and engineering, and archetectural point-of-view.





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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:42 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 14 March 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

American Airlines confirmed that American 77 crashed at the Pentagon.
I’m not entering into a pretense of ‘discussion’ with sky, just a general point of consideration…

What American Airlines actually confirmed on 9/11 is that, “it lost two aircraft in tragic incidents”.

http://www.washingto..._text091101.htm

This is not in dispute by anyone – certainly two AA aircraft went missing and the incidents in which this occurred were tragic.  Further, we are all well aware of this.  Thus sky’s boresome repetition, “American Airlines confirmed… ” is entirely irrelevant.

The question is, what happened to those aircraft?  There is no doubt American Airlines believe N644AA ended it’s flight at the Pentagon.  But why?  It is for the same reason that the FBI, NTSB and FAA hold the belief.  The answer:  assumption.  The FBI confirmed this in their response to FOIA request for serial numbers of the aircraft debris: “the identity of the three hijacked aircraft has never been in question by the FBI, NTSB or FAA”.

Put simply – an aircraft disappeared, an aircraft impacted the Pentagon – which the trusting mind is justified in believing were one and the same.  However, such assumption is not the way of the true skeptic, especially one keen to defend against the precedent of false flag deception and political agendas detrimental to the people.

Such assumption is a step closer to “faith” than “proof” – indefensible in a modern, self-aware world.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:55 AM

View PostWandering, on 14 March 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

See guys, Skyeagle plays by his own rules. I've said about 50times that I believe an aircraft hit the pentagon, but Sky gets so happy each individual time, claiming an admission! Maybe you just forget each time Sky? :lol:

It is not about my rules, but what the evidence depicts, but I am glad that you have reaffirmed that an aircraft did crash at the Pentagon.

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Completely lies about my 'defense' of Babe Ruth, implying I have defended any of the information he brings to the table.

Well, if you don't agree with Babe Ruth, what is your position on American 77?

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:59 PM

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Nobody is saying "it didn't happen" sir.

For those who have spent time studying what details are available are saying is that "it didn't happen THE WAY THEY SAY IT HAPPENED."

I hope you can appreciate the difference, but am not certain that you can.

Are you stuck in California too, or would you like to demonstrate some of those awesome Wright Brothers flying skills and take me up on my $1000 challenge?

Oh, the sounds of silence....  :sleepy:


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:38 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 15 March 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

For those who have spent time studying what details are available are saying is that "it didn't happen THE WAY THEY SAY IT HAPPENED."

You have yet to prove otherwise.

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Are you stuck in California too, or would you like to demonstrate some of those awesome Wright Brothers flying skills and take me up on my $1000 challenge?

I have already accepted your challenge, so when are you ready to do it? I am expecting you to come out here to the Nut Tree airport in Northern California, and if you are willing to follow through, then I will notify local pilots, military, commercial, and private, to watch the action, and many of them who are members of my chapter.

I've accepted your challenge days ago, so why bring it up again?

Edited by skyeagle409, 15 March 2012 - 03:20 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:04 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 14 March 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

Sky hasn't proved a thing here.  He has bombarded us with government pictures and propaganda, and deceived in many of his posts.

You continue to overlook non-government sources who have confirmed the loss of American 77 at the Pentagon, including the operator of American 77. And, you have failed to answer to the fate of passengers and crew of American 77. That is the kind of comment that I would expect from ValkyrieWings, a.k.a. Rob Balsamo, whose initials, RB, are your initials, BR, backwards.


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Statement of United Airlines about its two plane crashes:

United Airlines has now confirmed that two of its aircraft have crashed.

— UA 93, a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed from Newark, N.J. at 8:01 a.m. local time, bound for San Francisco, with 38 passengers on board, two pilots, five flight attendants.

— UA 175, a Boeing 767 aircraft, departed from Boston at 7:58 a.m. local time, bound for Los Angeles, with 56 passengers on board, two pilots and seven flight attendants.

United has confirmed it will dispatch a team to Johnstown, Pa., as soon as possible to assist, in every way possible, with the investigation and to provide assistance to the family members.

My link


11:17 AM:United Airlines confirms the loss of Flight 93 and states that it is "deeply concerned" about Flight 175.  

11:53 AM:  United Airlines confirms the loss of its two airplanes.  

My link


Edited by skyeagle409, 15 March 2012 - 03:19 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:42 PM

View PostChrlzs, on 15 March 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

So in other words, you would rather not supply an example of these 'deceptive' photoshop-produced images..

OK...  


So you don't think they are worthy of research.

OK...



Because I was hoping to see some actual examples of the 'deception', or some counter examples to prove the 'cover up', rather than the old 'go-back-and-look-at-his-previous-posts' routine.

Unsuprisingly, neither you nor Babe have come up with anything.. which is why I only pop over to these wastes of bandwidth occasionally to see if anything decent whatsoever gets dredged up to counter the official story.

Don't get me wrong, I don't for a minute think the official story is perfect.  I'm sure it will have been embellished a little, adjusted a little, and that some information has yet to come out or perhaps never will.  But the basic substance remains unchallenged by anything posted here, which I must conclude is the reason why neither you or Babe or any other 911 conspiracy supporter wants to give their BEST, undisputable evidence.  It simply doesn't exist, and for as long as that remains, the argument will get nowhere.


Good job putting words in my mouth, you must have a real hard time understanding what people say if you just make it up for them.

I simply don't have the time. If you can't be bothered, why should I? I've seen it firsthand, you haven't so go check it out. I don't feel the need to go digging through thousands of Skys posts to prove a point I know anyone who matters is already aware of. Why do you think you don't see Sky getting support from the regulars in here? Only people like you who as you admit 'pop in from time to time' back him up, because you are not seeing the full story.

I'll leave you with this thought:

9/11? Yeah what a crock. Can you imagine fraud in the big wide World? What a simple idea. Whoever thinks that foul play exists in these big money making corporations is really naive and has no street smarts.

The world is an honest place where honesty and integrity always out trump dishonesty and scams especially when millions of dollars are at stake.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:48 PM

View PostWandering, on 15 March 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

I simply don't have the time. If you can't be bothered, why should I? I've seen it firsthand, you haven't so go check it out. I don't feel the need to go digging through thousands of Skys posts to prove a point I know anyone who matters is already aware of. Why do you think you don't see Sky getting support from the regulars in here?

Hmmm, I don't see you getting any support other than from Babe Ruth, for whom you disagree. :w00t:

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:49 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 15 March 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Statement of United Airlines about its two plane crashes:

United Airlines has now confirmed that two of its aircraft have crashed.

— UA 93, a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed from Newark, N.J. at 8:01 a.m. local time, bound for San Francisco, with 38 passengers on board, two pilots, five flight attendants.

— UA 175, a Boeing 767 aircraft, departed from Boston at 7:58 a.m. local time, bound for Los Angeles, with 56 passengers on board, two pilots and seven flight attendants.

United has confirmed it will dispatch a team to Johnstown, Pa., as soon as possible to assist, in every way possible, with the investigation and to provide assistance to the family members.

My link


11:17 AM:United Airlines confirms the loss of Flight 93 and states that it is "deeply concerned" about Flight 175.

11:53 AM: United Airlines confirms the loss of its two airplanes.

Skys Patriotic Newspaper Link


:w00t: Oh man, right after Q's post too. It doesn't get any better than this.

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Edited by Wandering, 15 March 2012 - 03:50 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:58 PM

View PostQ24, on 15 March 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:

I'm not entering into a pretense of 'discussion' with sky, just a general point of consideration…

What American Airlines actually confirmed on 9/11 is that, "it lost two aircraft in tragic incidents".

http://www.washingto..._text091101.htm

This is not in dispute by anyone – certainly two AA aircraft went missing and the incidents in which this occurred were tragic.  Further, we are all well aware of this.

Not in dispute by anyone? You migth want to ask Babe Ruth what he thinks.

  

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Thus sky's boresome repetition, "American Airlines confirmed… " is entirely irrelevant.

Acutally, the report from American Airlnes confirmed that the aircraft, which crashed at the Pentagon, was American 77.

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The question is, what happened to those aircraft?  There is no doubt American Airlines believe N644AA ended it's flight at the Pentagon.  But why?

It was hijacked by foreign terrorist.

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...  It is for the same reason that the FBI, NTSB and FAA hold the belief.  The answer:  assumption.  The FBI confirmed this in their response to FOIA request for serial numbers of the aircraft debris: "the identity of the three hijacked aircraft has never been in question by the FBI, NTSB or FAA".

Ask Babe Ruth what he thinks.

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Put simply – an aircraft disappeared, an aircraft impacted the Pentagon – which the trusting mind is justified in believing were one and the same.  However, such assumption is not the way of the true skeptic, especially one keen to defend against the precedent of false flag deception and political agendas detrimental to the people.

Such assumption is a step closer to "faith" than "proof" – indefensible in a modern, self-aware world.

Looking at the flight data, there was no way that aircraft was under remote control, which is obvious, and the aircraft that disappeared at the Pentagon was American 77.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:01 PM

View PostWandering, on 15 March 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

:w00t: Oh man, right after Q's post too. It doesn't get any better than this.



Question is, Did you get the point?

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:03 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 15 March 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

Hmmm, I don't see you getting any support other than from Babe Ruth, for whom you disagree. :w00t:


What?


I'm not presenting evidence at this point, I'm taking information from all the parties involved and looking at it. I don't need support to do that.


Now, If I was presenting speculative claims or posting a ****-ton of 'evidence' then I'd love some support. Until then Sky, I'm still waiting to see the heavyweights around here back you up.



View Postskyeagle409, on 15 March 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

Question is, Did you get the point?

Looking at your post, there is absolutely nothing to get. You talk to Babe Ruth, not me, then post a Newspaper Article which perhaps 2? 3? people here have disputed over your entire 22,000 posts and 6 years here. Yet 20,000 of your posts are those articles.

:wacko:


Ah ****, I got sucked into a direct reply. Oops. This thread doesn't need more newspaper articles Sky, if you feel that addictive need to CTRL+V just send it straight on to my inbox so I can delete it like your other rambling PMs that ignored every single question I asked.

Edited by Wandering, 15 March 2012 - 04:09 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:09 PM

View PostWandering, on 15 March 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

What?  I'm not presenting evidence at this point, I'm taking information from all the parties involved and looking at it. I don't need support to do that.

Don't you think that I already have the deception manual on your 'bag of tricks' and your use of certain keywords?

Edited by skyeagle409, 15 March 2012 - 04:10 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:48 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 15 March 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Don't you think that I already have the deception manual on your 'bag of tricks' and your use of certain keywords?


I wish I knew what you were talking about, honestly. This is the 2nd or 3rd time you have mentioned it. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state when you start posting things like this....

Does anyone know? Boony? Cz? Q? Swan? BR? Chrz?

Keywords?

Does the FBI talk to you through the TV sky? Do you get 'messages' during the news?


In fact, why don't you explain to everyone here what I'm doing, get it all out there so no one can be deceived again! I'm curious to know what I'm doing myself.


I'm out now, but I really can't wait for the morning browse.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:54 PM

View PostWandering, on 15 March 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Does anyone know? Boony? Cz? Q? Swan? BR? Chrz?
Nope.  Not sure what he's referring to here.





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