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#1    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:20 PM

Recently I read that evolution is actually accelerating, speeding up to 100 times historical levels after agriculture spread.
If that is true what is the reason of it,..., diet?
And will that acceleration end or we will become one day like mythological and science fictional biengs called Shapechangers.

Edited by Melo, 11 December 2011 - 01:53 PM.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 04:02 PM

No, I think its the opposite.
A big part of evolution is the selection process, however humans can change the enviroment and use technology to treat those who would normally die without medical intervention.

Edited by Rlyeh, 11 December 2011 - 04:04 PM.


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Posted 11 December 2011 - 04:06 PM

Science and medicine is so advanced that any mutation (evolution) would be regarded as a deformation and be treated like so. We are at our final evolutionary state.


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Posted 11 December 2011 - 04:44 PM

Does anyone knows work of dr. Duane Gish? He claim that fossils say No to evoulution.

Also he spoke about jumping evolution. That in theory of evoulution we have huge jumps.
That is contradict with evoulution or isnt?

If I understand evoulution and creation of the world
Molecules evolve to Cell, cells to algae and amoeba, then to polips like starfish, then to fish then to Amphibans like turtles then dinosaurs (who lived 160 millions years on planet?) then mammals, then birds, then apes...

Where it cames Cambrian explosion and what cause it?

And more thing.
We need plants for living because they produce oxygen. Before plants even exists there was no oxygen on earth?
All oxygen was created by plants?

View PostThisiswhatIthink, on 11 December 2011 - 04:06 PM, said:

We are at our final evolutionary state.
How do we know that?

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 04:47 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 11 December 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:

No, I think its the opposite.
A big part of evolution is the selection process, however humans can change the enviroment and use technology to treat those who would normally die without medical intervention.
So you think that now we change enviroment not opposite? But again that changed enviroment also must change us.
For example Im sure that things like internet in the end would change us.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 05:02 PM

View PostMelo, on 11 December 2011 - 04:44 PM, said:

Does anyone knows work of dr. Duane Gish? He claim that fossils say No to evoulution.
He also claims the Biblical creation myth is historical fact, and uses the Paluxy River tracks as evidence.
Gish is a fool.


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Posted 11 December 2011 - 06:09 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 11 December 2011 - 05:02 PM, said:

He also claims the Biblical creation myth is historical fact, and uses the Paluxy River tracks as evidence.
Gish is a fool.
What do you say about evoultion jumps?

What cause explosion of life? (Cambrian explosion)


We need plants for living because they produce oxygen. Before plants even exists there was no oxygen on earth?
Is all oxygen created by plants?

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 11:21 PM

View PostThisiswhatIthink, on 11 December 2011 - 04:06 PM, said:

Science and medicine is so advanced that any mutation (evolution) would be regarded as a deformation and be treated like so. We are at our final evolutionary state.
Not exactly, I seem to recall reading somewhere that green eyes and red hair is being "bred out" of the genepool because they're recessive traits. That's a form of evolution, unnecessary traits being lost. Also, more and more people are being born without wisdom teeth or (as in my case) those teeth don't fully erupt so don't need to be pulled (thank goodness). Again, subtle changes that accrue over the generations.


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Posted 12 December 2011 - 08:45 AM

View PostMelo, on 11 December 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

What do you say about evoultion jumps?

What cause explosion of life? (Cambrian explosion)


We need plants for living because they produce oxygen. Before plants even exists there was no oxygen on earth?
Is all oxygen created by plants?
Is there any reason you make duplicate threads asking the exact same questions?


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 06:18 AM

We don't need to evolve, we keep the disabled alive (whereas before science and medicine they would have died, and only healthy humans lived to evolve) and have technology to aid us in every way. If anything we're going to devolve and die out.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:42 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 11 December 2011 - 11:21 PM, said:

Not exactly, I seem to recall reading somewhere that green eyes and red hair is being "bred out" of the genepool because they're recessive traits. That's a form of evolution, unnecessary traits being lost. Also, more and more people are being born without wisdom teeth or (as in my case) those teeth don't fully erupt so don't need to be pulled (thank goodness). Again, subtle changes that accrue over the generations.

Damn, now I know why some (women) call me a Neanderthal: I have all my 4 wisdom teeth, and they function like normal regular sized molars.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:19 AM

Both my parents have had their wisdom teeth pulled out, myself my two top ones popped out about five years ago and have had no problems with them and no sight of my bottom ones.

Ive also noticed living in Australia that some people who have parents from the UK (or another cold place) with fairer skin tend to have kids with more tanned skin. The parents get sunburnt and those traits get passed on to the children so they are born with skin that can handle sun rays.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 06:09 PM

View PostMelo, on 11 December 2011 - 01:20 PM, said:

Recently I read that evolution is actually accelerating, speeding up to 100 times historical levels after agriculture spread.
If that is true what is the reason of it,..., diet?
And will that acceleration end or we will become one day like mythological and science fictional biengs called Shapechangers.
It's true! Why just this morning I was walking down the street when I turned into the post office.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:52 PM

View PostDKO, on 17 April 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

Ive also noticed living in Australia that some people who have parents from the UK (or another cold place) with fairer skin tend to have kids with more tanned skin. The parents get sunburnt and those traits get passed on to the children so they are born with skin that can handle sun rays.


No, evolution does not work like that. Thats like saying if I cut off my left hand that my children would be born without a left hand, it does not work like that.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:06 PM

View PostMelo, on 11 December 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

What do you say about evoultion jumps?

What cause explosion of life? (Cambrian explosion)


In brief;

By jumps in evolution I will assume you are referencing to punctuated equilibrium as a proponent of gradualism. The reality is probably closer to the middle between these two that favoring one of the other.

As for the Cambrian explosion, before this most life was comprised of single or multicellular organisms living in colonies. Once it began to diversify (I imagine due to environmental changes. I do not study this area so I could not tell you) you have many more phyla to leave fossils. Not to mention that fossilization is be no means an easy process.

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