volantis, on 13 December 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:

This whole myth about a mass particle is nonsense. Mass is a dimension, not a physical entity. Mass is a dimension much like length and time are dimensions. It is a property of something, not the thing, itself. Searching for a mass particle is as absurd as searching for a length particle and a time particle.

Evidence that mass is a dimension is no further away than Classical Mechanics. The unit of momentum is equal to mass times length times frequency (reciprocal time). Did you see that? MASS times velocity is equal to momentum. Mass is a dimension and dimensions arrange to form units, all of which describe the actions and behaviors of phenomena.

There is no such mass particle. This whole charade is a money grab by skilled scientists swimming in job security. The search for the "God particle" is nothing more than a scam involving public funds.

Well I'm glad you've figured out all of science.

*Many* things have ``dimensionality''; position, velocity, mass, charge, colour, loudness, luminosity, etc.

Mathematically, these all can represent ``degrees of freedom'' and are classified as dimensions.

However any non-trivial examination of reality will quickly reveal that

*some* dimensions are highly constrained, and many are linked to one another.

For example, an electron has a position that can be characterized as a 4-vector in 3+1 space-time, and an energy-momentum that can also be characterized as a 4-vector. It also has a scalar rest mass, a scalar spin, and a scalar charge.

**However**, while the position and energy-momentum 4-vectors seem to be able to assume a continuous range of values,

*every single electron* has the same rest mass, the same charge, and the same magnitude of spin.

*Clearly*, while charge, rest mass, and spin are

*mathematically* the same as the dimensions of space-time,

*in our particular Universe* they are constrained to a single value.

Can you explain why?

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As an aside, BeastieRunner's explanation was correct but he made a few technical mistakes.

Gauge bosons are responsible for

*all* fundamental forces: photons <--> electromagnetism; Z, W

^{+,-} boson <--> weak nuclear interaction (``flavor'' force); gluon <--> strong nuclear interaction (``color'' force), graviton <--> gravity (of course the graviton has not been experimentally proven yet)

Phonons are

*not* gauge bosons, they are a property of a lattice (typically a crystal, although some ``lattice gauge theories'' postulate a space-time lattice). In any event the force carried by the phonon is dependent on the properties of the lattice; certainly in crystals they have an electromagnetic effect. In crystals they would also have a gravitational effect (since the mass distribution of the lattice is being periodically perturbed) but this is far far too weak to detect.

Mesons are two-quark objects, as such they do follow boson statistics but are still ``real'' particles; in that they are classified as matter and do not carry force. They can

*interact* with the various forces though, because they may be charged and certainly can participate in the weak/strong nuclear interactions (since they have quarks).

Also, BeastieRunner if I may ask some questions:

- I have not heard about Higgs bosons providing answers to the dark matter, do you have any handy links on the subject?

- I have also not heard about the Higgs field helping prove KK theory, I was under the impression that the scalar field necessary for KK theory was related to, but different than, the scalar Higgs field (i.e. group-theoretically they may be the same, but they would couple to other fields in different manners), do you have any links handy addressing this subject?

- I also have not heard about additional dimensional theory disproving E = mc
^{2}, since this is a scalar identity I don't see how it is affected by space-time geometry. (I also don't see how KK theory can be true, since it is only rigorous for bosons, not fermions.) Do you have any links on this subject as well?

Thanks!