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#766    bLu3 de 3n3rgy

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:55 PM

I think i discovered a new level to ego, the super ego, which i have been sorting through recently in myself. I am by no means free of my ego, it has been surfacing lately when i least expected it too (my shadow self in ego terms) and it is a reminder just how blind we are to it in the moment. So I agree very much with you that it is always easier to see in others, but in ourselves we don't always realise when it is dominating our thought space and perceptions until afterwards, until we reflect.  If we don't do some sort of self reflection practice, or observe what others are mirroring back to us and why they are showing us what they are,   then we may never realise it. I think the moment it is realised it automatically surrenders position and the whole of you opens up to an opportunity for recalibration . On this occasion I didn't fight with mine, I saw and felt it's connection straight to my inner child and i worked with it there, asking for healing, and giving nothing but love and forgiveness.

I see this super ego as the parent of the inner child, who is a composite of the ego and inner self. The inner child may now act as a bridge point between all selfs. But this is only only a speculation so far, it's obviously completely open to interpretation.

Maybe only in certain circumstances does it become fragmented and then necessary to understand before it can be melded back together.

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Question?? Given that you have suscessfully eliminated most of not all of your ego, would the world and people and their conversations and interactions seem on the whole as being 99% ego driven and therefore predictible & kind of plastic and shallow?

Yes, I've come to understand that whenever i interact with someone, I am interacting first with their ego and secondly with what is pulling the strings of their ego - I also see glimpses of the true being sitting behind the ego, the words, thoughts, actions of their higherself. The danger however is and the trouble is, that the ego is the part of the person who wishes to engage your ego, and you on the ego level. It can act to try and bring you down into ego and keep you there where the person falsely believe they are most comfortable or in control. I can try and engage their higherself and encourage that aspect of them to interact more, but most peoples egos get in the way as the ego naturally feels threatened by the higherself. (Unless the person has actively done work to work on their ego and is open to the higher consciousness, has no blocks there etc)

It can be terribly frustrating if the ego constantly gets in the way and derails the deeper aspect and deeper meaning from surfacing. It's difficult living in a egocentric world, where the majority are driven by the desires and wants of the ego and pay little attention to the greater part of themselves...

So the challenge becomes in keeping that balance where your ego is not blocking your higher aspect/thinking/ actions or allowing other egos to trigger your ego because that is all they wish to engage in you. Ironically what i discovered in myself was the super ego taking the role of trying to protect me from other peoples egos triggering me. If anything becomes an 'ism' or a fear, because you fixate on it or fear 'what other other peoples ego will do to you ( in my case) then you can usually find an ego logic behind that ism.

In terms of the glass ceiling and ego in metaphysics, ego does create a glass ceiling, but more so as we still have to deal with multiple levels of consciousness and awareness and that relationship. The ego level of consciousness is our default day to day surviving mode of consciousness, but of course any being can switch in and out of consciousness levels like an elevator, in any given moment. Just that someone heavily in twinned in a egoic episode will not be able to surpass the ego level of consciousness for that period of time. That means their perceptions, actions, comprehension will all be of egoic value and level. Self reflection and self awareness would be the quickest jump start out of that level of being.

I think at some point personality has to be brought into the equation. Just because someone has little ego, does not mean they are void of a personality - And a persons higherself/ true self can have the biggest personality, just like someone in ego may have a big personality. Personality is not completely invented by the ego, but when the ego self is in check/ not dominating the show, the personality of the true self has room to show, grow and flourish. So i would say personality is something which exists without ego and is more soul related than ego related. Ie the person has real soul - meaning you can't miss it when you come across a personality that is truly is beaming and creating from their soul.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 10:14 PM

View PostProfessor T, on 12 January 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:



Cool..
This has been my more recent thoughts on the matter..

But before I started playing with Ego, letting it loose, and toying & manipulating other ego's I was under the impression that Ego was a roadblock.. Which I know it is in a metaphysical sense... But I thought Ego was something one should eliminate as opposed to control.
I kind of feel that people with No Ego at all would really struggle to fit into such an egotistical society..
Eliminate.... Control..... Well. Yes and no. I do think an ego dissolution experience is a worthwhile persuit. I think dissolving the ego puts you into a place of then being aware of it, but it's not permanent. Infact it always rears its head again... Much like shadow.  Dissolution will give you a back drop, something to compare to. Then when negative ego traits arise you are not on auto pilot and you are living more conciously aware of self. I have found this extremely satisfying in my life, but yet be warned because with this awareness I think false humility starts to drop off aswell it's apart of ego aswell. I find that there are somethings the cause me to feel humble while other things I want credit for but pretend to be humble to be polite and to not look egotistical ... Funny how that works... Because I find myself not careing so much about that anymore. It's more egotistical to pretend not to be egotistical. It works the other way to. Where things maby like a compliment might create an uneasy embarrassed reaction in the past ( a humble reaction) I find that now I can look someone in the eye in general and truthful apriceation of something that used to make me uncomfortable. This might seem a move to more ego, but I'm not so sure. It's comeing from a place of releasing it and acknowledging it.

Being the astral thread I'll relate it back. All my dissolution experiences were obtained via OBE. I still have a method of doing it when I want to, but I don't see the reason for it much. It reminds me of a disconnect from reality drug, and I think is best used for cleansing.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 11:11 PM

Hmmmmmm, this is difficult..
I think we're running the risk of carrying the same subject over two threads.. lol..

I guess though, from a Metaphysical sense, one's Ego should be identified and understood, & through identification and understanding comes the power to eliminate or control. Not sure about dissolution because that would create a gap for subtle ego to creep in..

That false humbleness.. lol, Yeah, I think I can relate to that too. I'd call it the subtle ego, the worse kind.. It portrays a false sense of self that thinks it comes from the true self but it's a product of self desire.. (at least that's how I perceive it) :lol: My subtle Ego is a know it all..

Loved blue's perspective on Ego btw, made a hell of a lot of sense and my Ego went "woo hoo!" because it confirmed I'm on the right track or mind-space with this thing..


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:28 AM

I wonder if the subtle ego could be the super ego as well. It was also coined as the god ego, which is not the same as the true self, but something which may mask its self as.

Here is an article i found helpful.
http://www.wellbeing...m/superego.html

As for the 2 topics over bordering, that is okay to happen, understanding ego will always be apart of this thread.
If you would prefer the most recent posts on ego to be moved to the ego thread, that can be done also :tu:

Let me know.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:59 AM

Cool artical..
As for Super Ego and Suptle ego being the same thing...... hmmmm, you've really got me thinking, I want to say no they are not because super ego is under the disguise of a guiding principle, whereas suptle ego is often instintive in nature imo.. Yet somehow they mesh?
Lot's of food for thought...

I think the 2 topics should stay seperate.. That gives me double portions of ego, :D. Besides which, I am using the other thread as a prooving ground.

Edited by Professor T, 13 January 2013 - 01:59 AM.


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:24 PM

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

View PostbLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 12 January 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:


Check the symbolism in this, an interesting interpretation of ego, shadow self and inner child. The scene with the wheel chair and 2 guardians blocking the way - classic depiction of SP ...

Very interesting, and quite synchronistic for me.

I was just watching Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, this morning, and noticed some similar symbolism.  The ending, where the three go into the dungeon to protect the sorcerers stone.  They fall into the roots where the roots entangle them.  The more they squirm, the more it constricts, so they need to relax/let go.  They then have the task of finding/catching the key.  They go into the chessboard room.  As they try to go towards the room beyond, the pawns draw their swords and do not allow them the pass.  There is more, as he confronts Voldemort, which is over my head at this time, but Harry manifests the stone, believes in himself, and creates his surroundings/actions/outcome.  After he wakes up in the infirmary, Dumbledore helps him makes sense of everything that had happend in the dungeon.


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:22 AM

:w00t: I think I made some progress last night with OBE thanks to insomnia..
I had three instances where my mind tore away from my head.. Each time it occured, one after the other, there was a ripping/tearing sound in my head and a very vivid image of what I'm assuming was a kitchen ceiling?. It was incredibly vivid, the sucking/ripping/tearing away from my physical self was quite profound, unfortunately I couldn't let go of my physical self, so I kept getting excited and popping back into my body.. Each time I did it I knew I was close and no matter how much I wanted my ego to just let go it wouldn't.. Wow it was heart-racing stuff!! I guess though, that I'm still floundering about with letting go..


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:40 AM

Does anyone else get Weird Muscle Spasms in there Arm when they try and Consciously Astral Project?


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:04 PM

Professor T just told about this thread as I was posting in an older one (I found it doing more research on AP) I have two dreams (tho someone may say they were something else) I want to talk about and get feedback on-then I have a few AP experiences (that I feel are true AP experiences) to tell as well.

I can't recall anything specific if I actually had one as a child-tho I do remember a few dreams that are very vivid. One, when I was between 5 and 9, my grandmother lived just down the street from me where I could walk to her house. In my dream I was at her house, watching Tv with her like normal when I went out side. It was dark out and there was a big bright moon! I looked down the street and saw my mom walking with books in her arms like she was comming from school(honestly I do not remember going to school but I do remember as I was older hearing her talk about school). I screamed at her, calling "Mom!" to her over and over. She never looked or acknowledged she heard me. Then I heard a loud roaring sound....it made me think of something evil or a monster that was mad at me yelling. I shook, the image in my dream shook like a video camera. I jolted me open, the shaking was so much I shook awake almost with hearing the roaring sound and I assumed to be having a nightmare (maybe was) but I never forgot that dream. I just remember my heart pounding...I was scared to go back to sleep after that afraid Id go through it again that night.

One other dream which was even weirder to me.....I told my dad about it in which he claimed he had similar dreams but only when he was going through...more or less a negative time in his life-and he took it as a sign of saying "Gett your act together NOW!" This happened when I was in high school-and at that time I did have a few 'bad' things happen or go through my mind-but honestly at the time I didn't think of it being bad.

In this dream- What I remember is walking back to my room (I dont recall thinking anything but like I was tired..maybe on a journey or something but was just walking down the hallway to my room-this was when I was in high school-and different place, parents divorce-big change from the prior dream I explained)

As I'm walking I have this sense to turn around, or that something or someone was following me. I dont recall if I knew I was dreaming or thought I was awake-But when I turned it was like I  was suddenly paralyzed! I fell on my back in the floor, just outside my room in the hallway. I saw this skelaton face, just the face that gave off a green light....It scared me, and I was scared but I couldn't move at all. I was scared not just from seeing this thing but the fact I was unable to move-afraid of what it might do and not being able to protect myself. The mouth of this face slowly moved up and down (tho it never matched to any words said, and when I heard nothing it continued to move and float in front of my) ....I dont remember exactly but I heard a question. Its was males voice or a low deep voice. It said one of two things-"Who are you" or "What are you doing here" I honestly dont remember which because I wasn't concentrating on the voice I was concentrating to break free. I tried to raise my head to scream at it....I still couldn't move. I began trying to scream out "Help!" fighting with every being I could. I never had this sensation before-i just kept fighting as hard as I could trying to yell for help. All this face thing did was ask that one quetion then hovered in front of me as if waiting on an answer. When I finally broke free-I was raising up in my bed, not screaming, but I mouthed the word "help." It was like a very VERY soft whisper. As I sat there in the bed, I just turned to look at my door where I thought I just was. I told myself it was a dream then layed back down.

I was so groggy-yet I kept trying to think how was I not able to move like that? I didn't understand it cause I had never experienced that.

Ever since I started reading about AP I wonder if it that last one was an OBE of some sort? If I had just finished traveling and was making my way back to my body or something? Tho I do not recall seeing a chord of any kind. At the same time I wasn't thinking anything like that. I had one focus and it was "going to my room"

so....any comments? Was it just a dream?


I dont mean to make this too long but I do have something else. When I first started trying to AP after reading about it it seemed it wasn't working. I also have this fear(which i know fear will keep from doing so)-after reading about how there are so many beings, spirits, ghosts, etc I'm just afraid that as soon as I leave my body I'll see something...like smething will be waiting for me to attack me. Not my physical body, but my astral self. One night I tried not to think about it (even tho I had just read several stories talking about seeing dark shadows lurking around) I tried to push it out of my mind, telling myself I am protected by a white light, my gaurdians-anything to calm my nervs. Even imaging a white light filling me up and covering my completely and putting a sheild around me. I layed there-tired. I soon had this vibration...then followed by loud whistle sound like a train and harder vibration. I began thinking I might be doing it because I had read sometimes this is what you feel or expereince when you begin to AP. But when I did, i felt a jolt and woke up. I tried it again, just closing my eyes and relaxing. Then I heard voices while my eyes were closed. ALmost as if they were glued shut for a moment. I just listened. I couldn't make out what was being said but I heard at least two, a male and female. Maybe more. They sounded like they were right over me, at my right ear....as if whispering about me and waiting. I tried to make out what was being said, hoping if i heard something not threatening I would succumb to it more. I think I heard something like "She's here" or "Is that her?" when I heard the male voice it freaked me out....and I woke up. For some reason...I only want to hear female-if I hear a male I think that I'm going to try to be harmed.

I tried it again. I knew I was close but then I couldn't. so I just rolled over and went to sleep.
When I woke (or thought I woke) I didnt open my eyes, but had this strange feeling. I was on the wrong side of my bed where I had books. But I didn't feel the books. I felt as if I was laying beside another body but in MY room on MY bed....Then I had a thought "Am I finally AP?" As soon as I thought it, faster then a snap, I felt as if I slid back over and went into a body, only to wake and open my 'physical' eyes. I then thought I had done it, that my AP self was laying next to my physical self, and when I thought about it it slid me back into one. Since then I have not experienced anything close....that was over 2 years ago. I've only had dreams...


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 04:23 AM

View PostxFelix, on 31 December 2011 - 05:19 AM, said:

The Witch Doctor Projection Technique(My Family Secrets REVEALED)

First off I will have to explain to you, there are MANY different forms and methods of projection. Witch Doctors generally use 2 different kinds.

1) Whole body Projection(least common)
2) Mental Projection(most common)

For the purpose of keeping this thread free of arguments I will not discuss how to do a full body projection. (Theres is plenty of talk about it already and I will not step on other's toes.)

Mental Projection. What is it? How does it work? What can we do?

Mental Projection is when the only thing you are projecting is your MIND, your thoughts, not your soul, or your whole body. In your projection you will not have a body, and you will be in first person view. Mental projection is very similar to Body Projection except that its less draining on your body, takes less effort to perform, and is easier to use.

Using mental projection you can do pretty much go anywhere, meet anyone, speak with anyone and most importantly do it almost instantly.


Getting started

Things you will need:

- Soothing incense or perfume(Dont get anything overwhelming again soothing is the key here)
- Soothing music(same as above, soothing is the keyword)
- A picture of the person/place you want to see.
- All the patience in the world.

Our first mental projection will be from your current state, to that of someone you know.

Lets start with baby steps shall we?

-Stare at your picture and memorize it take your time, however long it takes for this to occur is how long you should stare.
-Turn on your music, and spread your fragrance, sit down and relax.(kick off your shoes, loosen the pants whatever it takes to relax)
-Now that you are relaxed close your eyes and clear your mind. (This means dont think of clearing your mind either just STOP thinking)
-Now that you've cleared your mind and are relaxed, breathe in threw your nose let the incense soothe your senses, while the music relieves your mind.
-Next up you want to slowly bring this picture to your mind and peacefully place your mind wherever the picture depicts. This should not be strenuous, or stressful at all and should not break your deep state of relaxation in the least.
-At this point you should feel as if you have left the building(this may take some time).
-Once your mind has left your body, with all the patience and calmness in the world you slowly want to think of yourself moving towards this place in the picture.
-Once you arrive you may ask questions by thinking them, you may look around as you normally would but because you are only there by way of mind, you cannot touch or alter anything.
-Your view at this point should be as if you're inside your own skull looking out of your own eyelids.
Once you have confirmed that you are where you wanted to be, simply think of being back home, and clear your mind once again.

PROGRESSION:

-After doing this several times you will notice that your mind starts going to these places alot faster, at this point you shouuld be attempting to do it without a picture at all. just think of the person, or place of which you wish to visit.
-Once you start projecting simply by thinking of a person remove the incense and music from the procedure and soothe your mind by simply breathing in threw your nose and out threw your mouth while clearing your mind.
-Once you've noticed that you have cut the need for incense and music, you should start attempting with your eyes open. (this will take loads of patience and time)

NOTE: Full mastery of this progression requires sometimes even years do not expect it to happen overnight.

Now that you've completed this progression you will notice that you can mentally project to anyone or anywhere by simply thinking of them and clearing your mind, and your whole process should be taking under 5 minutes.


PS-The more you use this projection the faster you can project. I have been told I was day dreaming while I was really checking in on a sick family member. (Yes I can project in under a minute poof lights are on but nobody is home.)[And you will be able to do it this fast too!]

Bro what you describe is called Remote Viewing


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:21 AM

View Poststevemagegod, on 16 January 2013 - 04:23 AM, said:

Bro what you describe is called Remote Viewing

for me...when I do this...i always feel Im just making stuff up in my head-sometimes when I day dream hard and long enough I almost feel like Im really doing something-till I open my eyes or something....but for me thats all it is is day dreaming because i make happen what I want to happen


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:24 PM

View Poststevemagegod, on 16 January 2013 - 04:23 AM, said:

Bro what you describe is called Remote Viewing

This sounds a lot like "Phasing", to me... Phasing actually is a form of AP.  What stands out to me is the "diving into a picture".  I'm sure I've heard that phrase when someone was talking about phasing.  However, I do not know a lot about remote viewing, so maybe they are the same...  I guess with both you are still taking your conciousness to a different space/time/etc that is away from your physical body.

Phasing doesn't require an induced state of SP, in order to exit... like your quoted post talks about, you think of a picture, and dive into it, and can interact with your surroundings from there.

I am a little fuzzy on the details, but I know someone has talked about it in these threads before.  I'll do a search, to see what I can find, and let you know what I come up with.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

If you guys would like to read more about this, go into the "Astral Travel, and my Technique", and do a "phasing" search in (this topic)... there is a lot of info that I hadn't remembered.

Alij, check out "Anvil's"(bLu3 de 3n3rgy is the alias, now) post #4463 on page 289.  It stood out to me, and feel it's pertinent to your last post.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:14 PM

I wasn't sure if I should put in the  weird dreams thread or not, but I consider it more than a normal dream. but I was dreaming I had called my wife's cell phone and it was on or something but in her purse. Somehow it had answered. I called out to her a few times, but then it became evident that there was something else on the phone.

It was muffled and hard to understand. But it was clearly calling my name. I told it I can't understand, and it said to try harder and that it has a message for me.

A new way of contacting people in astral or dreams perhaps. Like the mirror represents reflection the phone can represent communication.

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