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New study claims Turin Shroud is authentic


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#16    The Unseen

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 02:09 PM

Man :no: ,From all the testing I don't believe any of those fools any more,One says it's Real another says it's a fake,What a bunch of morons.It just proves a point,"DON"T TRUST MAN". If I could get a hold of that shroud I would burn it so people would let it rest instead of arguing about if it's real or fake,Like Lilly said" It comes down to Faith".so so true.


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Posted 21 December 2011 - 03:31 PM

If the Turin Shroud is authentic, God has violated His own commandment. Thou shalt have no image of anything in heaven. If we are not supposed to have an image of God, why would He leave one???????

Also, the Shroud shows nail prints that went through the wrist. This also contradicts the Bible which says the nails went throught his hands without breaking a bone.

Also, Romans 1:20 says that God will give something made to reveal the spiritual things. The Shroud of Turin is said to be a "NEGATIVE" imprint. In other words, everything that would normally be white is black and vise-versa just like a "NEGATIVE". The word "negative" also means "NO!!!!" God is giving a means of discernment by the description man as made for this Shroud.  No, it is not an image of Jesus.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 03:40 PM

I have always felt it was left as a physical gift to us to prove he was truly resurrected. I also feel it would have been quite an ordeal to try and fake it back in those days anyway....next to impossible in fact for it to have lasted all this time without divine intervention!!  Jesus lives!!!!


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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:33 PM

View PostLilly, on 20 December 2011 - 09:01 PM, said:

In the end it all comes down to faith. I think some things will always remain a mystery.

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          I agree. I hope this is true but I think we will never know until we move on. Have a nice Christmas.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:35 PM

Thanks for the article SW. Have a great Christmas.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:54 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 20 December 2011 - 09:09 PM, said:

There seems to be a 'new study' every few years that 'proves' that the shroud is authentic, yet carbon dating continuously puts the shroud between 1260-1390 C.E. with 95% confidence.
(And cue people claiming that carbon 14 dating is an erroneous method of dating.....)
The last I heard, about a year ago, the shroud C14 testing was shown to be unrelable, because modern fibers had been woven into the fabric in the section that was used for the testing. The test area was right next to a burned area, which was repaired by un-raveling the fabric fibers, and then reweaving the modern and old fibers together to try to prevent a repair line. Tests on the left over bits of cloth from the C14 testing show these modern fibers do exist, and thus probably skewed the C14 findings. This does not make the Shroud authentic, it only means the cloth is likely from the right time period. I'm sure hundreds of thousands of people were buried in ancient Israel with such a cloth. The Vatican has said they will not provide any new samples from an undamaged part of the Shroud.

It is not the cloth that is miraculous, it is the image on the cloth.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 11:56 PM

View PostParacelse, on 21 December 2011 - 10:32 AM, said:

It was done by two different group of people, I've read it first in Picknett and Prince book The Turin Shroud in who's Image and there was an Australian professor who did the same type of study (can't seem to find his name for the moment).  And it wasn't a large lens, it was a pinhole camera.
http://en.wikipedia..../Pinhole_camera

Furthermore, there is something that seemed to be ignored by all the "scientists" pro-shroudies:  the size of the shroud.  In days when most people measured 5'0 to 5'4", a 5'10" to 6'2" JC would have been remembered and his size would have been used to prove his "godliness".
And yes the shroud is authentic (it exist thus it's authentic), an authentic fake.
thank you for clarifying that. i thought for some reason it was a lens, cuz they were trying to prove that DaVinci made the shroud. whatever. :lol:

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:33 AM

View PostLilly, on 20 December 2011 - 09:01 PM, said:

In the end it all comes down to faith. I think some things will always remain a mystery.

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So true,  I know it is a silly thing to believe in the Shroud, but it's been one of those symbols of Jesus that have special meaning to me.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 03:13 AM

For me, whether the shroud is real or not makes no difference. Because it's obvious Jesus as an historical figure existed. So, shroud or grail or toe nail or what have you - is irrelivant.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:10 AM

View PostDevice, on 22 December 2011 - 03:13 AM, said:

For me, whether the shroud is real or not makes no difference. Because it's obvious Jesus as an historical figure existed. So, shroud or grail or toe nail or what have you - is irrelivant.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:12 AM

View PostDevice, on 22 December 2011 - 03:13 AM, said:

For me, whether the shroud is real or not makes no difference. Because it's obvious Jesus as an historical figure existed. So, shroud or grail or toe nail or what have you - is irrelivant.
There are no text besides the gospels mentioning him.  So I'm not sure he was a historical figure either.  I'm sure he exists as a thoughtform, since so many people believe in him.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:36 AM

I say the shroud is evidence of time travel!

I recon some Japanese time travel tourists went back in time and took pictures with their camera's. Little did they realise that their flashes would produce the "extremely brief pulses of ultraviolet light" that burnt the image into the shroud...

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 09:20 AM

View PostParacelse, on 22 December 2011 - 06:12 AM, said:

There are no text besides the gospels mentioning him.  So I'm not sure he was a historical figure either.  I'm sure he exists as a thoughtform, since so many people believe in him.
Paracelse, he is mentioned by the Jewish historian Josephus at the time.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 12:33 PM

View PostParacelse, on 22 December 2011 - 06:12 AM, said:

There are no text besides the gospels mentioning him.  So I'm not sure he was a historical figure either.  I'm sure he exists as a thoughtform, since so many people believe in him.


It's controversial but some say he is mentioned in the Talmud. I'm not an expert on the matter but the fact that people did go out of their way to write the Gospels is certainly an indication that the person they were writing about existed. Also other political and religeous figures who existed are mentioned in conjunction with the events surrounding Jesus life - Pontius Pilate, King Herod and a few others. The locations also exist. There's no doubt in my mind that a man named Jesus existed and that he was executed for reasons common at that time. As for being the son of God etc, well, I'm not a Christian so that doesn't concern me.




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Posted 22 December 2011 - 04:38 PM

Personally I couldn't care less if shroud is real or not... I know JESUS CHRIST is. I am experiencing his love, mercy & grace everyday! Everybody will find out eventually. Prayfully while they're alive!
Merry CHRISTmas!





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