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#1    thedutchiedutch

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 04:24 PM

Was just thinking about this. If a woolly mammoth can be cloned from frozen DNA, according to Japanese scientists.

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Does that mean that we could also actually restore (a dead person) to life ? By using it's DNA ? If so, can you imagine, for example, a family that lost a very young child, like a baby. Could science restore the same baby back to life with help of the baby's DNA, so the family has the same baby back again to start over again ?

So do I have time for a last smoke and a pancake or what?

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 04:33 PM

Well, I think a problem with that would be that they wouldn't get the same baby back. The body would be a perfect clone, and that's it. The soul, mentality, personality or however you want to call it would be gone with the deceased, and a clone would have a different one.


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Posted 29 December 2011 - 04:42 PM

View Postrashore, on 29 December 2011 - 04:33 PM, said:

Well, I think a problem with that would be that they wouldn't get the same baby back. The body would be a perfect clone, and that's it. The soul, mentality, personality or however you want to call it would be gone with the deceased, and a clone would have a different one.

True, but don't we, as parents pave the road for a child's mentality and personality, with how we treat, love and teach them ?

So do I have time for a last smoke and a pancake or what?

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:06 PM

View Postthedutchiedutch, on 29 December 2011 - 04:42 PM, said:

True, but don't we, as parents pave the road for a child's mentality and personality, with how we treat, love and teach them ?

Yes, nurture does play a role... But so does nature. If all it took was the same genetic material being treated the same, some physical identical twins would have exactly the same personality as well, and usually they don't. It is in their nature to be different, even if their nurturing is the same.
We as parents may pave the road, but the child still drives their own car on it.

Personally, I think cloning a person to replace a deceased is kind of morally wrong. There is good reason for birth, life, and death cycle- and if we could simply negate part of that cycle, it's likely we would value life less in general. And it's just kind of weird if a person can't get over a loss to the point that they will try anything, including cloning and forcing the resulting life to behave exactly the same as the life that is gone.


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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:07 PM

View Postthedutchiedutch, on 29 December 2011 - 04:42 PM, said:

True, but don't we, as parents pave the road for a child's mentality and personality, with how we treat, love and teach them ?

That's true; cloning a lost child would just be an expensive and complicated way to just have another child. Why not cut the cost and complication and do it the old fashion way; IE doin' it, horizontal tango, showin' her the O face, etc, etc, unprotected intercourse during ovulation.

Though there are other applications; beside the one you mentioned. Wonder how far off we are from cloning and brain transplants...


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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:21 PM

We can currently successfully clone other animals. And I do believe that skin graft cloning is in it's infancy of use in the real world if I am not mistaken. Not quite cloned humans and brains yet.


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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:28 PM

View Postrashore, on 29 December 2011 - 05:06 PM, said:

Yes, nurture does play a role... But so does nature. If all it took was the same genetic material being treated the same, some physical identical twins would have exactly the same personality as well, and usually they don't. It is in their nature to be different, even if their nurturing is the same.
We as parents may pave the road, but the child still drives their own car on it.

Personally, I think cloning a person to replace a deceased is kind of morally wrong. There is good reason for birth, life, and death cycle- and if we could simply negate part of that cycle, it's likely we would value life less in general. And it's just kind of weird if a person can't get over a loss to the point that they will try anything, including cloning and forcing the resulting life to behave exactly the same as the life that is gone.

I think that what happens, besides the nurture of the parents, in the direct environment of the child, like their own experiences in life and ways to deal with it eventually paves the road to their own unique mentality and personality. So i agree that the new "DNA" baby would develop it's own unique personality and mentality again.

In regards to whether it is morally wrong to replace a deceased child/person by cloning ... i don't know.
It might give people peace by knowing that their loved one that passed is now the "building stone" of the newborn.

So do I have time for a last smoke and a pancake or what?

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:33 PM

View PostMr_Snstr, on 29 December 2011 - 05:07 PM, said:

That's true; cloning a lost child would just be an expensive and complicated way to just have another child. Why not cut the cost and complication and do it the old fashion way; IE doin' it, horizontal tango, showin' her the O face, etc, etc, unprotected intercourse during ovulation.

Though there are other applications; beside the one you mentioned. Wonder how far off we are from cloning and brain transplants...

I agree Mr_Snstr, i rather favor the old fashioned way. But i was just trying to wrap my head around it to see if this would even be possible and if so, would it become an option for people in the future.

So do I have time for a last smoke and a pancake or what?

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:09 PM

Hi,

Quote from the OPs article:- "Researchers from Japan's Kinki University have found a way to isolate DNA from the frozen mammoth's tissue. Now they plan to insert that DNA into the egg cells of a normal, modern African elephant and then plant the resulting embryo into the elephant's womb."

We could do this now to humans. Test tube babies.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:11 PM

View Postthedutchiedutch, on 29 December 2011 - 04:24 PM, said:

Does that mean that we could also actually restore (a dead person) to life ? By using it's DNA ? If so, can you imagine, for example, a family that lost a very young child, like a baby. Could science restore the same baby back to life with help of the baby's DNA, so the family has the same baby back again to start over again ?
Although Raelists believe DNA = soul, all thats happening is a clone is being made, the original is dead.


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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:18 PM

View Postbulveye, on 29 December 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

Hi,

Quote from the OPs article:- "Researchers from Japan's Kinki University have found a way to isolate DNA from the frozen mammoth's tissue. Now they plan to insert that DNA into the egg cells of a normal, modern African elephant and then plant the resulting embryo into the elephant's womb."

We could do this now to humans. Test tube babies.

Hi there Bulveye. I understand that. But test tube babies involve sperm i understand. In this case, it will be done with DNA from a deceased person.

Edited by thedutchiedutch, 29 December 2011 - 06:18 PM.

So do I have time for a last smoke and a pancake or what?

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:31 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 29 December 2011 - 06:11 PM, said:

Although Raelists believe DNA = soul, all thats happening is a clone is being made, the original is dead.

True, but do you think that some parents might find it favorable to have a newborn that looks exactly like their deceased
one. Maybe just the thought that the newborn was made out of/and thanks to the deceased one might be comforting for them. Or is this just to morbid an wrong you think.

So do I have time for a last smoke and a pancake or what?

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:36 PM

View Postthedutchiedutch, on 29 December 2011 - 06:31 PM, said:

True, but do you think that some parents might find it favorable to have a newborn that looks exactly like their deceased
one. Maybe just the thought that the newborn was made out of/and thanks to the deceased one might be comforting for them. Or is this just to morbid an wrong you think.
To be honest I don't see the point in cloning their dead child. It sounds like the parents are after a superficial replacement and not an individual.


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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:36 PM

Any parent who wants to clone their deceased child will have expectations of the clone being just like their former child, I would imagine. Why else would they do it? Those kind of expectations placed on a child would create, in my opinion, an awful environment to grow up in.

Seeking to bring your dead child back to life seems like something to discuss with a psychiatrist.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:43 PM

View Postthedutchiedutch, on 29 December 2011 - 04:24 PM, said:

Was just thinking about this. If a woolly mammoth can be cloned from frozen DNA, according to Japanese scientists.

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Does that mean that we could also actually restore (a dead person) to life ? By using it's DNA ? If so, can you imagine, for example, a family that lost a very young child, like a baby. Could science restore the same baby back to life with help of the baby's DNA, so the family has the same baby back again to start over again ?

Cloning Jesus from one of his blood cells?

Wont it be strange if man resurrections Christ through cloning technology. Even stranger we'll get our answer to if the mind is totally stored in the brain. If it isnt we might get a Jesus complete with memories.





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