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Did Elijah go to heaven without death


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#31    Hawkins

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:14 AM

Death is a process normally described as how your soul is descending to Hades. It's called "tasting death". You (your soul) can be taken from Hades to another place, say, the third heaven to continue to work and to witness. You don't even need to go through the "descending to Hades" process, you can be directly taken to the Paradise (or Abraham's Bosom). Without going through the "descending to Hades" process, it is called "not tasting death".

And both Moses and Elijah ever appeared to Jesus Christ. It can be assumed that both Moses and Elijah are still in Third Heaven/Paradise/Abraham's Bosom to continue to work and witness for God, with Moses ever tasted death while Elijah not.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:32 AM

Bible authors are temple priests who well knew astronomy . When they said third heaven or . . they mean not other places other than our planet experience. Third heaven could could be three or two platonic year ago from now , or three months (3x2180years)ago from now. Best experience of Bug Out System to survive, on that time ? In Elijah time what humankind did to survive ?

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:00 AM

View PostHawkins, on 23 February 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

Without going through the "descending to Hades" process, it is called "not tasting death".


Actually, "not tasting death" is a term used by mystics since the dawn of time. It refers to one finally having the soul to leave the body after you have been mediating long enough to adequately "purify" yourself. Once you are able to have the soul leave the body you have, in the words of Maharaj Sawan Singh. "won the battle of life."

When the soul "leaves the body" you have "died" in every way except that once you finish meditating the soul returns. It is otherwise the EXACT same thing as death. You travel, over time, to all the astral realms (and heavens) and all the causal realms, until you are finally able to go beyond the realms of "mind" and finally reach the region of Pure Soul, or God Himself (which doesn't happen until you yourself have become a perfect human being as the time spent meditating slowly erases any and all deficiencies).

Mystics do this every day. As Paul said in the Bible, "I die daily."

That is what Jesus is describing. Once you have "conquered death" through meditation you are guaranteed to never truly "taste death" like anyone who hasn't conquered it will surely do (I won't get into how that will be, I'll just say that it is anything but "pleasant").

This isn't a bunch of "fairy tales" or fantasies. It is VERY real. And only those who have done it truly know just how real it is. The rest just sit around wrongly "interpreting" the mystics because they have no earthly idea what they are talking about and never believe it's even possible to be anything like what they actually meant.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:07 AM

View PostMoshiach, on 23 February 2012 - 03:32 AM, said:

Bible authors are temple priests who well knew astronomy . When they said third heaven or . . they mean not other places other than our planet experience. Third heaven could could be three or two platonic year ago from now , or three months (3x2180years)ago from now. Best experience of Bug Out System to survive, on that time ? In Elijah time what humankind did to survive ?


Actually they did mean something very different but you would never know that unless you've been there. The only options it seems are to go there and find out what it truly means or sit around acting like you know what it means. Personally, if I were you, I'd just trust the countless mystics throughout history who've been there rather than those who don't have any idea what they are talking about.

But that's just me. Your mileage may vary. :P



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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:56 PM

View PostShabd Mystic, on 23 February 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Actually they did mean something very different but you would never know that unless you've been there. The only options it seems are to go there and find out what it truly means or sit around acting like you know what it means. Personally, if I were you, I'd just trust the countless mystics throughout history who've been there rather than those who don't have any idea what they are talking about.

But that's just me. Your mileage may vary. :P



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  As i say it before bible is encoded astronomical and polytheist beliefs of ancients.I know the mysthical or escatological teaching in it.But i wrote from astronomical view of its teaching.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 01:46 PM

View PostMoshiach, on 23 February 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

As i say it before bible is encoded astronomical and polytheist beliefs of ancients.I know the mysthical or escatological teaching in it.But i wrote from astronomical view of its teaching.

The "astronomical view of its teaching" is fine as are the other hundred or so views of its teaching.

I was only referring to what it's teaching was literally talking about vs. any of the countless "views" of what it was saying.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:53 PM

View PostLion6969, on 04 January 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

To give you the Islamic perspective on Elijah (idris). According to Islamic tradition Elijah was carried by the angels to heaven and he experienced death on route. A mighty prophet! Every soul shall taste death, but only Jesus (according to Islamic tradition has not tasted death yet) Jesus will taste death on his second coming.


Does a rapture occur in Islamic religious beliefs ? I always thought the King James version of the rapture to mean that the generation alive at the time of the second coming would not face death.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:08 PM

View PostShabd Mystic, on 23 February 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

The "astronomical view of its teaching" is fine as are the other hundred or so views of its teaching.

I was only referring to what it's teaching was literally talking about vs. any of the countless "views" of what it was saying.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:25 PM

View PostMoshiach, on 24 February 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me. "Luk 19:27


I understand your cynical statements.Don't be stu+++


You clearly don't understand at all.


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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:38 AM

Do you two arguing in each other??

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