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[Corp]

Why would you be laughing? Countries at war tend to exchange threats.

[lightly]

and then, on 12 January 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

You're choosing to be obtuse.  Ahmadinejad (like most muslims) is an Israel/America hater and he frequently talks about them being destroyed.  He is waiting on the mahdi for heaven's sake.  Check into Islamic eschatology about who that is and what it means for anyone who doesn't want to be a slave to the evil religiopolitical system of Islam.  Oh wait, being enslaved is okay if you can win a political argument...
Applying your own set of morals to this system of conquest and domination is useless.  Read their own scriptures...read translations of their speeches to their own people.
The answer that you refused to acknowledge about Israel is that they have NEVER threatened anyone with annihilation. For Muslims it's their wet dream to slaughter ALL the Jews and then America.
And I make no distinction between so called radicals and "moderates" because in 10 years of war the moderates have yet to even push a PR campaign against the terror thugs of their shared "religion of peace".  We are in a war for our survival as a nation with a distinct culture.  People like you make the argument sound like a civil rights debate. Not sure what if anything will get you to choose sides with America but the choice may have real consequences soon.

  A little harsh?    I have to disagree with your view ,  because it's not true. Do you honestly believe that All People of the Muslim Faith want to "slaughter ALL the Jews and then America" !?  
     There are millions of Americans who practice Islam.  They aren't all out to get you.

[The New Richard Nixon]

ninjadude, on 11 January 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

How does that affect you personally? How does it affect your country? Is there something wrong with a foreign nation "growing"? if so we have a lot of problems. There are a lot of nations that hate the "west". That's not a big concern. Your really problem seems to be that you irrationally hate Iran for something you can't describe.

I was born in Venezuela who have ties with Iran however I don't want Iran meddling among the Americas, Iran can piss off for all i care.
If Iran goes to war, Venezuela will might help during the war.

[ninjadude]

and then, on 12 January 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

You're choosing to be obtuse.  Ahmadinejad (like most muslims) is an Israel/America hater and he frequently talks about them being destroyed.  He is waiting on the mahdi for heaven's sake.  Check into Islamic eschatology about who that is and what it means for anyone who doesn't want to be a slave to the evil religiopolitical system of Islam.  Oh wait, being enslaved is okay if you can win a political argument...
Applying your own set of morals to this system of conquest and domination is useless.  Read their own scriptures...read translations of their speeches to their own people.
The answer that you refused to acknowledge about Israel is that they have NEVER threatened anyone with annihilation. For Muslims it's their wet dream to slaughter ALL the Jews and then America.
And I make no distinction between so called radicals and "moderates" because in 10 years of war the moderates have yet to even push a PR campaign against the terror thugs of their shared "religion of peace".  We are in a war for our survival as a nation with a distinct culture.  People like you make the argument sound like a civil rights debate. Not sure what if anything will get you to choose sides with America but the choice may have real consequences soon.

You sir are a loon. Christians wish for the "end times" as well. Hating someone is not a reason to bomb them. Being Islamic is not a reason to bomb them. The rest of your rant is pure BS.

Corp, on 12 January 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

Why would you be laughing? Countries at war tend to exchange threats.

The US is not at war with Iran. Try to keep up.

[Corp]

ninjadude, on 12 January 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

The US is not at war with Iran. Try to keep up.

And that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. You might want read posts before commenting on them.

[Mr_Snstr]

I wonder if we could go a whole generation without shooting or bombing people in the middle east. This is quickly becoming a national past-time of ours; like baseball. If they organize a massive army and try to invade us; then I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But considering how well our army(arguably one of the best trained, funded, and technologically advanced) do against their guys with AKs, RPGs, and homemade bombs on their turf; I don't think it's something that warrants allot of worrying about.

Real invasions have rarely worked in the real world and history; mostly the possibility of them work as a tool to fear monger a population into using offense as defense.

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To believe that conquest and domination is built into the scriptures of Islam, and they should all be treated and feared as such, one would have to ignore the existence of every Muslim they've known that wasn't actively conquering or dominating them. I could go further on this point; but get real.

Also Isreal is not the perfect innocent butterfly they'd like us all to believe.

Edited by Mr_Snstr, 13 January 2012 - 02:01 AM.

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ninjadude, on 12 January 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

You sir are a loon. Christians wish for the "end times" as well. Hating someone is not a reason to bomb them. Being Islamic is not a reason to bomb them. The rest of your rant is pure BS.



The US is not at war with Iran. Try to keep up.

Ad Hominem attacks don't bolster your opinions.  It might be that I am a loon but nothing I've said here should infer it.  I stand by what I've said.  
And BTW Christian eschatology does NOT include a doctrine of facilitating the return of Christ.

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Mr_Snstr, on 13 January 2012 - 01:53 AM, said:

I wonder if we could go a whole generation without shooting or bombing people in the middle east. This is quickly becoming a national past-time of ours; like baseball. If they organize a massive army and try to invade us; then I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But considering how well our army(arguably one of the best trained, funded, and technologically advanced) do against their guys with AKs, RPGs, and homemade bombs on their turf; I don't think it's something that warrants allot of worrying about.

Real invasions have rarely worked in the real world and history; mostly the possibility of them work as a tool to fear monger a population into using offense as defense.

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To believe that conquest and domination is built into the scriptures of Islam, and they should all be treated and feared as such, one would have to ignore the existence of every Muslim they've known that wasn't actively conquering or dominating them. I could go further on this point; but get real.

Also Isreal is not the perfect innocent butterfly they'd like us all to believe.

The fact that Islam is a religious/political movement that is bent on conquest is not conjecture on my part.  Even a brief study of the Qu'ran and Hadiths proves this point.  In truth the so called radicals are the only TRUE adherents to the faith.  The rest are no different than Christians in name only who don't try to keep the words of Jesus.  I'm no islamophobe I'm a realist.  Asymetrical warfare has erased the need for massed invasion forces.  19 guys did more damage in a few minutes than has been done to American soil since the civil war.  I never assumed that all muslims were plotting to kill me but WHERE are the "moderates"?  They have not taken a stand against the terror and until they do I feel they are complicit in it.
Israel is just another secular western government.  Just as stupid and possibly corrupt around the edges but one thing that makes them different is the reality that millions of Arabs would gladly destroy the nation if they could.

[lightly]

http://www.liveleak....=b2a_1231990986

93 percent of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims are moderates, Says Gallup Survey
A huge survey of the world's Muslims challenges Western notions that equate Islam with radicalism and violence.

The survey, conducted by the Gallup polling agency over six years and three continents, seeks to dispel the belief held by some in the West that Islam itself is the driving force of radicalism.

It shows that the overwhelming majority of Muslims condemned the attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001 and other subsequent terrorist attacks, the authors of the study said in Washington.
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Muslims in 40 countries in Africa, Asia, Europe and the Middle East were interviewed for the survey, which is part of Gallup's World Poll that aims to interview 95 percent of the world's population.

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http://www.theameric...3/jan/13/00029/

Ninety-nine percent of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims are moderate and see jihad as a self-cleansing process to get back on the path of spiritual excellence. Presidents Mubarak, Musharraf, Ben Ali (Tunisia), Kings Abdullah II of Jordan, Fahd of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed VI of Morocco, and other moderate Muslim leaders, all have told this reporter in the past two years that Islamist extremists are no more than 1 percent of their population.

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lightly, on 13 January 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

http://www.liveleak....=b2a_1231990986

93 percent of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims are moderates, Says Gallup Survey
A huge survey of the world's Muslims challenges Western notions that equate Islam with radicalism and violence.

The survey, conducted by the Gallup polling agency over six years and three continents, seeks to dispel the belief held by some in the West that Islam itself is the driving force of radicalism.

It shows that the overwhelming majority of Muslims condemned the attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001 and other subsequent terrorist attacks, the authors of the study said in Washington.
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Muslims in 40 countries in Africa, Asia, Europe and the Middle East were interviewed for the survey, which is part of Gallup's World Poll that aims to interview 95 percent of the world's population.

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http://www.theameric...3/jan/13/00029/

Ninety-nine percent of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims are moderate and see jihad as a self-cleansing process to get back on the path of spiritual excellence. Presidents Mubarak, Musharraf, Ben Ali (Tunisia), Kings Abdullah II of Jordan, Fahd of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed VI of Morocco, and other moderate Muslim leaders, all have told this reporter in the past two years that Islamist extremists are no more than 1 percent of their population.

And I say again: Where are the moderates who are protesting and condemning the terror thugs?  I'll use the analogy of Christians and the KLAN... The KKK is soundly and strenuously shouted down by Christians.  Americans in general find the organization abhorrent and say so regularly.  Lawsuits have been pursued to penalize their hate and they have been marginalized quite effectively.
The first 3 references you used have been deposed and Saudi Arabia, the home of Wahabbism,really?  
If you really want to understand the threat you might google the word "taqiya" as relates to Islamists and their doctrine of Jihad.

[lightly]

thanks and then,  i learned a new word for a specific kind of lying.  wooptydoo.   The  deposed "references "  were not mine.. they were in an article in the "American Conservative.  I give up...  rant away.

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lightly, on 13 January 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

thanks and then,  i learned a new word for a specific kind of lying.  wooptydoo.   The  deposed "references "  were not mine.. they were in an article in the "American Conservative.  I give up...  rant away.

I don't care where they are quoted from.
The point they were trying to make is that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful ergo we need not worry about the rest.  
And rant I shall to keep the message alive that these people live by an ideology that seeks to bring everyone else into SUBMISSION. Living like a slave might be your cup of tea but I'll pass...

[lightly]

and then, on 13 January 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

I don't care where they are quoted from.
The point they were trying to make is that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful ergo we need not worry about the rest.  
And rant I shall to keep the message alive that these people live by an ideology that seeks to bring everyone else into SUBMISSION. Living like a slave might be your cup of tea but I'll pass...

   Actually,   Wrong.  If you read the article, the point they were trying to make is that we DO  need to worry about the rest.  

    In reality,  the vast majority of  "these people" do not seek to bring everyone else into submission.

* So,  how would an extreme minority accomplish the "SUBMISSION"  of "everyone else" ?    

Do the vast majority of Christians adhere to all that is advised in the Old Testament? ... similar thing.

You sound like you want war...  you sound like you believe every Muslim is your enemy and a threat to the rest of humanity?    What do you think should be done?

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Edited by lightly, 13 January 2012 - 07:33 PM.

[Goodnite]

I don't think war is inevitable. I pray cooler heads prevail.

Edited by Goodnite, 13 January 2012 - 07:45 PM.

[Corp]

Aren't there more Muslims in Asia than in the Middle East? The country with the highest Muslim population by far is Indonesia and they don't seem to have a beef with the US. Second with the highest population is India who is very friendly with the US. So by and large Muslims as a group don't have an issue with the US.