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[a.o.e.i.n.e.o.a.]

to quote the amazing Tom Waits:
"Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk."

[Englishgent]

wvdeerhunter, on 11 January 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

The short of it:

It's a matter of being too casual with His name.

According to Jewish tradition, the name of God was too holy to be uttered. It (Yaweh, YHVH) was uttered aloud only 10 times, once per year, during Yom Kippur.  In respect, they would substitute other names of G-d (e.g. Adoni)in their writings to avoid the repetition.

That's my brief on it.  I happen to believe that Christians today take our "freedom" in Christ much too lightly (edit...maybe I should say seriously"?).

Thanks for the question.

Thank you for the answer

[Ron Jeremy]

wvdeerhunter, on 11 January 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

You seem to jump from post to post and criticize. Please add to the debate.

(Seems you forgot about your moniker: "Arguments over spirituality is just as productive as argument over which Warhammer character is the strongest.")

'and then' struck me as a person who won't ever question the authority, no matter how evil or oppressing it is.

[Robbie333]

HavocWing, on 09 January 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

Taken from http://en.wikipedia....od_as_the_Devil

The teaching of God as the Devil has been an accusation leveled at various Christian heretics from the 2nd century to the medieval period. In the modern period authors, such as Thomas Paine, have made the case that the Biblical god is a divine force that wreaks suffering, death, and destruction and that tempts or commands humanity into committing mayhem and genocide.

I already think that he is/if not more evil then the devil.  With all the blood on his hands.

I also think it's better to just start a topic in the hopes of not cluttering up others posts.

Also think that he is very narcissistic

               Good try but your fishing and trolling will not get a rise out of me. A civil discussion is one thing but this....ridiculous and so obvious.

[Dying Seraph]

wvdeerhunter, on 11 January 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

Twisting the truth here just a bit here aren't we Satan?  It's hard to let you go scot free on this one.

First: G=d ALLOWED Satan to do these bad things to Job (Guess you forgot to read Chapter One)
Second: Concerning same quote from Job - G-d was not speaking, Job was. All of Job's so called friends tried their best to explain the evil that had come upon Job (36 chapters worth of nonsense).  In the end (Job 40) G-d speaks to all their folly:

1 The LORD said to Job:
2 “Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him? Let him who accuses God answer him!”
3 Then Job answered the LORD:
4 “I am unworthy—how can I reply to you? I put my hand over my mouth.
5 I spoke once, but I have no answer—twice, but I will say no more.”
6 Then the LORD spoke to Job out of the storm:
7 “Brace yourself like a man; I will question you,and you shall answer me.
8 “Would you discredit my justice? Would you condemn me to justify yourself?
9  Do you have an arm like God’s, and can your voice thunder like his?

Please read Chapter 38 to the end. It might enlighten you. G-d is not evil, our hearts are. G-d is truth and justice.

I shall say no more in fear that I might lay too much in His lap.

Now I won't let you off scott free. These are taken from the Bible. You do understand that the Jews understood God as having a good and bad side don't you? Aparently not. It is the Christians that made Satan a complete evil entity. Satan in the OT had a job to do. The simple fact remains he was a prosecutor on behalf of God to point out our flaws. As far as me not reading chapter one, again I provided more than one passage which shows the JEWS accepted that Evil came from God (and it shows that if I can point out that many passages regarding evil than I am more aware of the Bible that you think), YOu can't seem top accept historical facts.

Simple fact is that the Jews belived everything, came from God. That included evil.
Second you are acting as if Job was real. He was NOT A REAL PERSON!!!! In fact The Book of Job may be the first play ever written!!!!
Thirdly, there are amazing parralels between the story of Job and the tale of the Canaanite King Keret myth.

As for enlightenment...no offense but your ruise won't work on me. God is everything., Truth, Justice AND EVIL!!!!!! Oh but God who is responsible for creating everything isn't resonsible for anything bad hmm? Blame Satan! LMAO

SINcerely,

Edited by Dying Seraph, 11 January 2012 - 11:38 PM.

[Ron Jeremy]

a.o.e.i.n.e.o.a., on 11 January 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

to quote the amazing Tom Waits:
"Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk."

Well, actually I was thinking about posting a similar topic. It's about 'trickster god'. In many cultures,there are myths about deities who are just mischievous.

You know, sometimes I wonder if there are more than a few billion deities in our universe. I am open to the idea of polytheism, which is not neccesarily inferior to monotheism.

[Ron Jeremy]

Robbie333, on 11 January 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Good try but your fishing and trolling will not get a rise out of me. A civil discussion is one thing but this....ridiculous and so obvious.

Sigh... the notion that OT deity being evil was discussed so much back in the days of early churches. You just hate any idea that are slightly different from yours? I guess it's kinda like pot calling a kettle black. But...

[Ron Jeremy]

Robbie333, on 11 January 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Good try but your fishing and trolling will not get a rise out of me. A civil discussion is one thing but this....ridiculous and so obvious.

Trolling? He doesn't sound like trolling at all?

[Dying Seraph]

Ron Jeremy, on 11 January 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Well, actually I was thinking about posting a similar topic. It's about 'trickster god'. In many cultures,there are myths about deities who are just mischievous.

You know, sometimes I wonder if there are more than a few billion deities in our universe. I am open to the idea of polytheism, which is not neccesarily inferior to monotheism.

You are exactly right! In many instances this is the case but the most famous would likely be Loki or Satan. In the earliest tales we have of Loki he is a mischievous entity. As time grew so did the tales about Loki and he became more menacing and evil. As with Satan originally the word was in refference to an accusser, slanderer, opponent. As time went on and fanciful tales grew, the word became equated to a menacing entity hell bent on screwing over mankind.

Well there is also monolotry I believe it's called. Someone feel free to correct me but I believe that's the one. WHich is the worship of one God over a plethora of em. Or in other definitions it's worshiping one God but acknowledging others as is the case with the early Jews as the OT shows us.

Edit to add: henotheism, monolotry, etc.

SINcerely,

Edited by Dying Seraph, 12 January 2012 - 12:45 AM.

[seishin]

Dying Seraph, on 10 January 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

From: The Bible


Job 2.10 "...shall we accept only good things from God and never anything bad?" or, "is there no evil in the world that the Lord hath not done?"
Amos 3.6 "When disaster comes to a city, isn't it because the Lord planned it?"
Isaiah 45.7 "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity;I the Lord do all these things."
and in Eccl. 12.14 "For God will bring every work into judgement, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."

If one belives in God of the Bible, they need accept that God just as evil as is merciful.

SINcerely,

I concur

[Cassea]

I know a few people who have had great sadness in their lives.  It is then that God was close.  Evil is the absence of God.  Not the presence. The bad things that happen. The evil things that happen.  These are not happening without God present.  Because He comes to us in our moment.  When we cry out to him.  The people I know who have an easy life.  Mostly them they say there is no God. Or to say God is evil.  But those that have suffered know Gods love.  If not my view of God, not my view of Jesus.  But they did not cry alone.  When they reached out. Something touched them back.  So God being present in evil does not mean he is to blame.  A man who runs to the woman in the street who is dying. The man that holds her hand as she slipped away.  He was there.  But he did not cause the pain.

[HavocWing]

Ron Jeremy, on 11 January 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

Sigh... the notion that OT deity being evil was discussed so much back in the days of early churches. You just hate any idea that are slightly different from yours? I guess it's kinda like pot calling a kettle black. But...

That is how they are.

[james1951]

HavocWing, on 09 January 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

Taken from http://en.wikipedia....od_as_the_Devil

The teaching of God as the Devil has been an accusation leveled at various Christian heretics from the 2nd century to the medieval period. In the modern period authors, such as Thomas Paine, have made the case that the Biblical god is a divine force that wreaks suffering, death, and destruction and that tempts or commands humanity into committing mayhem and genocide.

I already think that he is/if not more evil then the devil.  With all the blood on his hands.

I also think it's better to just start a topic in the hopes of not cluttering up others posts.

Also think that he is very narcissistic

I think it should be rephrased as "The Devil as God"

One can choose The Spirit of Truth and Righteouness as their God .. The TRUE God. or they can choose the Spirit of Deceit and Evil as their God..

Yes this world has been handed to Satan, and Jesus has gone to prepare for his followers another place. Sort of seperation of church and state.
Ever since the Garden of Eden when Adam and Ever chose to believe Satans context of Gods words over The true context their Father said them, so we humans have been offered the same choice and each make our own decision of which to believe. Those who choose to believe the devils version of Gods words will stay on this planet with the devil, Those who choose to believe their father is a loving and compassionate God will join their brother Jesus in their new home.
Choose wisely.

[james1951]

seishin, on 16 January 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

I concur

Is disaster or calamity evil? Is the tornado that kills 20 people doing it out of maliciousness? Does God force people to take drugs and fall prey to the calamity it makes of their lives?

The tornado is just nature, there is no intent to do evil and thus it is not evil.
The darkness is not evil. It is in the "intent" of humans from whence the evil comes.
If a man commits and act of jumping off a cliff and dieing on impact, is it evil that the laws of gravity are not suspended? If a man commits crimes against his fellow man and reaps the consequences of his actions is that human evil ... are the consequences of those actions any more evil than death by gravity?
Do you have any idea of the meaning of the word evil?

[Rlyeh]

james1951, on 16 January 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

Do you have any idea of the meaning of the word evil?

Do you? What actual evil has the devil committed?