78 replies to this topic

[Sakari]

ShamanPunk, on 07 February 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Lol and you seem to want other people to do all the hard work for you! I just put my ability in the abilities section, many have come before and many more will fly by too and many people have no doubt told you how easy it is to get started yet you guys are still sitting there doing nothing about it yet have dedicated the time and effort to discuss it!? It is starting to seem to me that you may not even care either way but if you really want the truth then Just try it! Make a psi wheel and SEE FOR YOURSELVES! I dont think that is an unreasonable request given your level of interest in the subject and i've(after a bumpy start) given you all i can give, lads you are on your own..... best of luck and many compassionate energies to you all but i dont have time for these little loops...

One last thing, have you ever actually tried out a psychic ability?

Seeker definitly stands out as a lightworker on this section. Big love to ya x

Punk out. xxx

As a matter of fact, yes, I have tried something that could be dubbed  " different "....Un-Fortunatley, my schedule does not allow for it to be properly done......And Seeker was my " instructor ".

So, yes, I have tried things.

As for Chi, no I have not, and I have not posted videos of anything claiming I can do things.( by the way, neither has seeker )......If you post a video making claims like yours, how can you not expect to be asked to prove it?

You new this coming in, and you want attention.

As I mentioned before, if you really wanted to show the world that this is possible, you would be knocking at your closest University right now to show them the over-whelming, repeatable evidence.

You would be the biggest Shaman ever !  .......The World would be your students.

Anyway, have fun with it.

[aquatus1]

This is a little story which is not really directed specifically at ShamanPunk, but rather, it encompasses very similar elements because...well, let's face it...the story doesn't really vary a whole lot from person to person.  We have seen it before, and we will see it again.

So, Mike is laying back on his chair, sipping his strawberry smoothie, talking to Joe, the new guy at the gym.  Joe is friendly, talkative, really enthusiastic, and overall, Mike gets a pretty good feeling from him, although he's seen more than one newbie come and go after those first few weeks of easy results.  Joe...well, Joe is full of confidence.

"I really do like this place, Mike.  It's clean, the people are nice, you can do your thing, you know."
"Yeah, It's nice.  Most of us regulars here try to take care of it."
"Hey, I'm all about that.  Did I show you my videos of me exercising?"
"Yeah.  Not bad.  It's always good to get out there, get moving.  I'm just wondering, you know, now that you decided to come into the gym and all, what you wanted to get done."
"Get done?  Oh, I am psyched!  I want to really get into it, I want to, you know, level up, get stronger, maybe not like competition or anything, but I really do want to take it seriously.  I don't want to be at the Pilates once-a-week level."
"Hey, that's always a good thing.  So, what's your plan?"
"Well, I'm thinking that what I'm doing now is working for me.  I got a good set of weights, I'm feeling the burn, you know, feels good."
"Okay, feeling good is definitely a bonus.  But, ah, what's your...strategy, your system...how are you measuring your progress?"
"Progress...oh, well, by getting better..."
"Sure, but...you said you wanted to improve, right?  Be a little above average?  What I'm asking is how are you going to improve?  How are you going to tell what to focus on, when to increase weights, that sort of thing."
"Oh!  No problem.  I kind of know where I am.  Physically, I mean."
"I'm sorry?"
"See, I can tell if I am improving or not.  I can sense how much energy I have left, or how much more effort I can make."
"Um...That is one way to do it."
"Thing is this:  Working out is a personal thing, you know?  You can't really measure it, you can't compare it to others.  It is really about personal growth."
"Actually, we have some pretty reliable charts..."
"I'm not saying that your ways don't work, you know, I'm not knocking your beliefs.  I'm not asking you to believe me either; but, you know, respect my opinion and all, no offense right?"
"Opinion is good, of course, but there are actually techniques and systems that do produce consistent results..."
"Yeah, again, the competition thing is really not my...thing.  I'm not in it for the glory, I just want the personal growth."
"Nothing wrong with that, it's just that, well, you don't really seem to have any plans for improvement beyond "I'm going to lift weights.""
"Lifting weights is improvement."
"Sorry?"
"When you lift weights, your body gets stronger.  As you get stronger, you improve."
"In essence, yeah, but it gets a bit more complex than that."
"It doesn't have to."
"It doesn't really get a choice.  In order to improve, lifting weights is not enough, you have to actually challenge yourself."
"Have you ever tried it?"
"Pardon?"
"Have you tried lifting weights?  Have you honestly put in the effort, and seen the improvement?"
Mike looked around, just to verify he was indeed still in the gym.
"See Mike, people tend to make things too complicated.  When you strip things down to just the important parts, what you get is this:  Lifting weights makes you stronger.  When you get stronger, you improve.  If you are willing to believe in that, and you are willing to get in there and actually lift those weights, that is the only way you will be able to confirm that it really works that way.  You will never get stronger just talking about it, or worrying about proving that you are stronger to other people."
"Okay then.  That's your philosophy?"
"Yep.  Worked for me all my life."
"All right then, see you tomorrow."  Mike tossed the empty cup into the trash, picked up his bag, and went home.  He did see Joe the following day, and for a few weeks, Joe was indeed a regular at the gym, making friends with other new members, talking about the best ways to lift weights, generally being the nice guy that he was.  After a few weeks, unfortunately, life, work, kids, and the visits began tapering to three times a week, once a week, and finally, he was not seen in the gym again. Mike and the regulars never went lonely; There was always another Joe walking through the doors.

[zenfahr]

This place is full of Joe's!
In fact I had a cup o joe this morning.... used sugar and cream
and before you ask.... no I did not mesure the amount, I feel that the amount of sugar to cream.. is a personal thing
you see the only way you know if you improve on the taste, is if it tastes better than the day before
dont talk to me about mesureing and having a consistant taste
its a personal choice, I could try to explain but you will have to do it for yourself.

damn Im not anywere close to topic, am I?
sorry guys

Edited by zenfahr, 10 February 2012 - 07:49 PM.

[Leftcoastgal]

ShamanPunk, on 12 January 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

This is my truth, do not believe anything you cannot test for yourself
I'm not looking for peoples' confirmation on this, i just want to show you some cool aspects of the awakening process and help give you strength in what you are doing if you are an Energy Worker/ Light Warrior!
Forget the chi-spinner, this vid is all about the orbs orbs orbs   Namaste

Nice work capturing the orbs.  Comforting to know that while you practice your energy work & discipline that you are accompanied by other energies.  At least I would find that true for myself.  Never thought to film my meditations or yoga.  Have to look into that. thx!

[applesnbananas]

ShamanPunk, on 12 January 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

This is my truth, do not believe anything you cannot test for yourself



I'm not looking for peoples' confirmation on this, i just want to show you some cool aspects of the awakening process and help give you strength in what you are doing if you are an Energy Worker/ Light Warrior!

Forget the chi-spinner, this vid is all about the orbs orbs orbs

Namaste

Hey there  I just found this site about an hour ago and I was really excited.  I thought it would be fun to interact with open minded people.  I think the video is awesome, I noticed the orbs right away.  The youtube video posted in thread was really good too.  Stuff like that is exactly why I joined.  I am so so very very very disappointed by all the other comments   If you are looking to discourage and judge, then why the hell would you bother looking at this site in the first place?!

[psychoticmike]

Sakari, on 08 February 2012 - 01:11 AM, said:

As I mentioned before, if you really wanted to show the world that this is possible, you would be knocking at your closest University right now to show them the over-whelming, repeatable evidence.

oh yes cause proving it and getting famous for your abilities is a good idea.

Almost as good as winning the lottery and having your full name and adress all over the news LOL

posting a video on the internet is a lot less dangerous imo because theres always the debunkers and most people will think you faked it anyway.

not to mention, some people are so stuck in their beliefs that no amount of proof would be good enough, and can you imagine the non-stop attention

you would get from that? you could be kidnapped or killed!!! or just have to go into permanent seclusion because people won't leave you alone.

I can't prove this guys legit, personally this video is not enough for me, but i know this stuff is possible from my own experiences.

how i see it, your only gonna know once you do it yourself.

[psychoticmike]

etripp01, on 11 February 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

Hey there  I just found this site about an hour ago and I was really excited.  I thought it would be fun to interact with open minded people.  I think the video is awesome, I noticed the orbs right away.  The youtube video posted in thread was really good too.  Stuff like that is exactly why I joined.  I am so so very very very disappointed by all the other comments   If you are looking to discourage and judge, then why the hell would you bother looking at this site in the first place?!

I don't really think thats most peoples intent. I think since they are on here, they are genuinely interested. scepticism is very important and there are a lot of fake videos out there and false hope. So it makes sense that people would react how they do. I was exactly the same way, until i tested some of these things myself. Don't be discouraged there are many believers on here as well.    Another thing is that your subconcious beliefs can actually prevent you from doing stuff like this, and until you change those ones, it may or may not be possible for you.

Edited by psychoticmike, 11 February 2012 - 01:00 PM.

[Timonthy]

etripp01, on 11 February 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

Hey there  I just found this site about an hour ago and I was really excited.  I thought it would be fun to interact with open minded people.  I think the video is awesome, I noticed the orbs right away.  The youtube video posted in thread was really good too.  Stuff like that is exactly why I joined.  I am so so very very very disappointed by all the other comments   If you are looking to discourage and judge, then why the hell would you bother looking at this site in the first place?!

Hey, welcome to UM.

It's easy to take some of the comments as over the top, but you have to appreciate that some people are happy to blindly believe without proof or validity, while others question and seek more logical answers.

To me is seems very obvious that the OP video is of dust particles caught in the light of the conspicuously-positioned lamps. Yes some may seem to follow his movements, but this is just coincidence, or the air being manipulated in the room.

If I saw 'orbs' moving intelligently, or the guy in the OP controlling the 'orbs' convincingly, without random dust-like movement for the duration of the video, I might start to consider otherwise.

Edit: I would love to see proof of this, among many other things, however I believe this is yet another case where we should consider Occam's razor - 'that the simplest explanation will be the most plausible until evidence is presented to prove it false'.

Edited by Timonthy, 11 February 2012 - 01:55 PM.

[Sakari]

psychoticmike, on 11 February 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

oh yes cause proving it and getting famous for your abilities is a good idea.

Almost as good as winning the lottery and having your full name and adress all over the news LOL

posting a video on the internet is a lot less dangerous imo because theres always the debunkers and most people will think you faked it anyway.

not to mention, some people are so stuck in their beliefs that no amount of proof would be good enough, and can you imagine the non-stop attention

you would get from that? you could be kidnapped or killed!!! or just have to go into permanent seclusion because people won't leave you alone.

I can't prove this guys legit, personally this video is not enough for me, but i know this stuff is possible from my own experiences.

how i see it, your only gonna know once you do it yourself.

It is obvious people posting these videos want the attention isn't it?......If they did not, they would not post and discuss them.

And the OP states several times he did / does this to show the world that it is possible, because he wants everyone to know......

Maybe you missed that.

[psychoticmike]

Sakari, on 11 February 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

It is obvious people posting these videos want the attention isn't it?......If they did not, they would not post and discuss them.

And the OP states several times he did / does this to show the world that it is possible, because he wants everyone to know......

Maybe you missed that.

it depends on the type of attention your looking for. As i said, theres a big difference between posting a video on the internet and potentially recieving world wide attention for your abilities. If you go the first route, not many people are even gonna know about the video and most won't believe it anyway. Its a subtle way of revealing what we are capable of to the ones who are more open to it. I don't find this particular video convincing but thats really not my point.

[Sakari]

psychoticmike, on 11 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

it depends on the type of attention your looking for. As i said, theres a big difference between posting a video on the internet and potentially recieving world wide attention for your abilities. If you go the first route, not many people are even gonna know about the video and most won't believe it anyway. Its a subtle way of revealing what we are capable of to the ones who are more open to it. I don't find this particular video convincing but thats really not my point.

I was refering to the OP only, not in general.

Either way, I still do not buy the excuse of people having these powers wanting to be " left alone "......Far from it.


edit : people that believe they have these powers.

Edited by Sakari, 11 February 2012 - 09:08 PM.

[psychoticmike]

Sakari, on 11 February 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

I was refering to the OP only, not in general.

Either way, I still do not buy the excuse of people having these powers wanting to be " left alone "......Far from it.


edit : people that believe they have these powers.

I'm not saying you should "buy it" and i never said they just want to be left alone. There lies the problem, your misinterpreting what i'm saying. I'm not gonna sit here and explain it to you again if you still can't grasp the entirety of my post. Did you ever think that maybe just maybe they aren't excuses? what YOU just said is one big excuse to not believe is it not? In the end its really up to you to prove it to yourself, then you'll know. Until then you'll just be stuck where you are, thinking every one who claims these things are, insane, wrong, or just trying to make some money. Afterall nobody has proven these things in your required way yet, what makes you think they will? and just because they haven't, it doesn't mean nobody can do these things. I know we can. I never in a million years thought any of it was real before.

[Sakari]

psychoticmike, on 11 February 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

I'm not saying you should "buy it" and i never said they just want to be left alone. There lies the problem, your misinterpreting what i'm saying. I'm not gonna sit here and explain it to you again if you still can't grasp the entirety of my post. Did you ever think that maybe just maybe they aren't excuses? what YOU just said is one big excuse to not believe is it not? In the end its really up to you to prove it to yourself, then you'll know. Until then you'll just be stuck where you are, thinking every one who claims these things are, insane, wrong, or just trying to make some money. Afterall nobody has proven these things in your required way yet, what makes you think they will? and just because they haven't, it doesn't mean nobody can do these things. I know we can. I never in a million years thought any of it was real before.

You do not know me very well....

[Leftcoastgal]

Timonthy, on 11 February 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

... To me is seems very obvious that the OP video is of dust particles caught in the light of the conspicuously-positioned lamps. Yes some may seem to follow his movements, but this is just coincidence, or the air being manipulated in the room.

If I saw 'orbs' moving intelligently, or the guy in the OP controlling the 'orbs' convincingly, without random dust-like movement for the duration of the video, I might start to consider otherwise.

Edit: I would love to see proof of this, among many other things, however I believe this is yet another case where we should consider Occam's razor - 'that the simplest explanation will be the most plausible until evidence is presented to prove it false'.

Hi Timothy -  Occam's razor works for alot of things, unfortunately it doesn't take anything paranormal into account.  So if you believe there is ANYTHING paranormal, then OR has to go, because eventually, when faced with no other explanation you will have to arrive at the viewer, the experiencer being delusional or crazy or what-have-you, yes?  To believe in the paranormal doesn't require a suspension of belief but an expansion.  Many can never accept that science is limited.  Remember, once upon a time, the earth was flat, said the best minds of the day, right?  Science rewrites the facts continuously in fact, BECAUSE they learn more all the time.

I know several photographers who have caught orbs in their photos, and a couple of them have made a study/hobby of it.  You can clearly see some of them are quite specifically directed, but if dust does this for you, that's great.  The photographers, for the most part, they say that the orbs aren't seen by the naked eye, although there are those who have seen them and then snapped the pic.  Now, about your 'dust' hypothesis, it doesn't play for me.  I've seen these same types of orbs photographed in outdoor settings, day and night, and while I can already hear you muttering "pollen" to yourself), the results I have viewed myself convince me otherwise.

Having attended some MUFON meetings where I got a chance to hear Vivian Walker speak and show her work, (photos & also paintings, but she was there to talk about orbs) I am not conflicted over whether she actually caught self directed, energy filled orbs.  I'm convinced she did.  She brought loads of materials with her and presented a series of others attempts to debunk them as well. Much of that was high tech photography-speak and I can't reproduce it here.    I'm not going to go into big explanation or story about her presentation, suffice it to say I'm a believer in these energies and have no problem accepting that science as we know it today, or that which is shared with us, doesn't touch this topic and if they did it would be the same old thing... can't confirm, can 't deny, it's unexplainable.   While man may be considered master(s) of their universe, I'm of a mind that we are still in cosmic kindergarten.  If ever you've had paranormal experience you tend to broaden what you believe is possible, this I know to be true, for others & myself.  I cringed to see this long string of posts in the negative, this was a personal experience that he chose to share on a forum where he clearly expected to find others who believe, as he does, that these energy manifestations exist. The last thing I would do with a paranormal experience is run off to a Lab or University asking somebody to measure it for me.  No interest there.  What happens paranormally in my presence, stays with me.  Why volunteer for ridicule?  Besides, must admit the bottom line for me is that I don't care if anyone believes or not.  We each walk our own road.  Peace.  sorry this is long-ish!

[Sakari]

Leftcoastgal, on 12 February 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Hi Timothy -  Occam's razor works for alot of things, unfortunately it doesn't take anything paranormal into account.  So if you believe there is ANYTHING paranormal, then OR has to go, because eventually, when faced with no other explanation you will have to arrive at the viewer, the experiencer being delusional or crazy or what-have-you, yes?  To believe in the paranormal doesn't require a suspension of belief but an expansion.  Many can never accept that science is limited.  Remember, once upon a time, the earth was flat, said the best minds of the day, right?  Science rewrites the facts continuously in fact, BECAUSE they learn more all the time.

I do not think anyone has said Science has the answer to everything.....

By the way, it was a skeptic whom said " the world can't be flat, I can see on the horizon it has a curve, everyone can see that,  you guys just believe that it is flat with blind faith....... show me the evidence ".......

Also, their are still people who think it is flat....And it is not " the scientists ".....  It is " believers " ........

Sorry about that.

Quote

The Flat Earth Society (also known as the International Flat Earth Society or the International Flat Earth Research Society) is an organization that seeks to further the belief that the Earth is flat instead of an oblate spheroid. The modern organization was founded by Englishman Samuel Shenton in 1956^[1] and was later led by Charles K. Johnson, who based the organization in his home in Lancaster, California. The formal society was inactive after Johnson’s death in 2001 but was resurrected in 2004 by its new president Daniel Shenton.<sup>[2]

http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/</sup>

The entire point to this, and to similar videos and claims, is that science DOES have a answer to it....So does common sense.

Science does not re-write facts, science adds to the facts.......When a finding is made, and evidence supported to research it, Science finds ( tries to ) how it works, why it is there, what is it's purpose, etc,etc.....It studies it.

These claims can not even get close enough for that to happen.

I am sorry, if I see a claim such as this ( to me is obvious ) and have " no explanation ", I will say just that...." I do not know what that is ", I may say it " could be " dust, but I do not jump to some wild off the chart belief that has 0 ( zero ) evidence to support it.....And science does not do that either.....

Edited by Sakari, 12 February 2012 - 08:30 PM.