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[Leftcoastgal]

Sakari, on 12 February 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

...I do not think anyone has said Science has the answer to everything.....  By the way, it was a skeptic whom said " the world can't be flat, I can see on the horizon it has a curve, everyone can see that,  you guys just believe that it is flat with blind faith....... show me the evidence ".......
Also, their are still people who think it is flat....And it is not " the scientists ".....  It is " believers " ........
Sorry about that.  The entire point to this, and to similar videos and claims, is that science DOES have a answer to it....So does common sense.  Science does not re-write facts, science adds to the facts.......When a finding is made, and evidence supported to research it, Science finds ( tries to ) how it works, why it is there, what is it's purpose, etc,etc.....It studies it. These claims can not even get close enough for that to happen.
I am sorry, if I see a claim such as this ( to me is obvious ) and have " no explanation ", I will say just that...." I do not know what that is ", I may say it " could be " dust, but I do not jump to some wild off the chart belief that has 0 ( zero ) evidence to support it.....And science does not do that either.....

I don't have a connection to the Earth is Flat folks, so your apology is a bit off the mark ; - )  not my people!   The scientists of the day might have been a better use of what I was trying to express.  When it comes to paranormal, you know as well as I do that when presented with what is considered evidence, a series of measurements from various disciplines (science in other words) is applied, depending of course on who's seeking the answer and the depth of the their pocketbooks.  Science DOES rewrite facts when needed, all we're talking about now is semantics.  Hold that thought, I'll have to go and dig up some examples of this, or stay tuned over the next 5-10 years and pay attention, (IMO about the years, could be tomorrow or 20-yrs from now, I dunno..).  

Off the chart belief... wow.  Is it really off the chart to consider the possibility of energies, not visible to the naked eye, existing and being present in our atmosphere, or dimension, (although dimension may be too far a leap for you), without speculating on origin?  That doesn't seem off the chart to me at all, but that's me, happy with the abilities gifted each of us at birth, happy too for the paranormal experiences I've had that opened my eyes to how small we think the universe is compared to how big and full it actually is, that I'm still not even close to knowing those boundaries, AND lastly to imagine what is potentially possible beyond my own nose even though science hasn't yet given their seal of approval to whatever the case may be, orbs maybe?  Did you ever see the actual photos that came out of Russia that displayed the energy emanating out and away from plant life?  Ever seen the results of tests made to determine if plants had some form of consciousness?  I'm pretty sure I read about those in David Wilcock's 2012 book, which I haven't finished reading yet, but did read that part.  Want the scientists name?  I'll  go dig it up.  Does common sense tell you plants have consciousness?   Just curious.   shoot, too long again.  I'm seriously sorry... I hate it when I do this.  I'm swearing off long ones for today, ok?  Peace.

God only knows what kind of puddle would be left in place of you if you did have a paranormal experience.  Oh wait... God... sorry about that, not provable either.  Keep your common sense, I'll keep mine AND the additions I have made along paranormal lines.  It's all good.

Edited by Leftcoastgal, 12 February 2012 - 09:49 PM.

[Timonthy]

Leftcoastgal, on 12 February 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Hi Timothy -  Occam's razor works for alot of things, unfortunately it doesn't take anything paranormal into account.  So if you believe there is ANYTHING paranormal, then OR has to go, because eventually, when faced with no other explanation you will have to arrive at the viewer, the experiencer being delusional or crazy or what-have-you, yes?  To believe in the paranormal doesn't require a suspension of belief but an expansion.  Many can never accept that science is limited.  Remember, once upon a time, the earth was flat, said the best minds of the day, right?  Science rewrites the facts continuously in fact, BECAUSE they learn more all the time.

I know several photographers who have caught orbs in their photos, and a couple of them have made a study/hobby of it.  You can clearly see some of them are quite specifically directed, but if dust does this for you, that's great.  The photographers, for the most part, they say that the orbs aren't seen by the naked eye, although there are those who have seen them and then snapped the pic.  Now, about your 'dust' hypothesis, it doesn't play for me.  I've seen these same types of orbs photographed in outdoor settings, day and night, and while I can already hear you muttering "pollen" to yourself), the results I have viewed myself convince me otherwise.

Having attended some MUFON meetings where I got a chance to hear Vivian Walker speak and show her work, (photos & also paintings, but she was there to talk about orbs) I am not conflicted over whether she actually caught self directed, energy filled orbs.  I'm convinced she did.  She brought loads of materials with her and presented a series of others attempts to debunk them as well. Much of that was high tech photography-speak and I can't reproduce it here.    I'm not going to go into big explanation or story about her presentation, suffice it to say I'm a believer in these energies and have no problem accepting that science as we know it today, or that which is shared with us, doesn't touch this topic and if they did it would be the same old thing... can't confirm, can 't deny, it's unexplainable.   While man may be considered master(s) of their universe, I'm of a mind that we are still in cosmic kindergarten.  If ever you've had paranormal experience you tend to broaden what you believe is possible, this I know to be true, for others & myself.  I cringed to see this long string of posts in the negative, this was a personal experience that he chose to share on a forum where he clearly expected to find others who believe, as he does, that these energy manifestations exist. The last thing I would do with a paranormal experience is run off to a Lab or University asking somebody to measure it for me.  No interest there.  What happens paranormally in my presence, stays with me.  Why volunteer for ridicule?  Besides, must admit the bottom line for me is that I don't care if anyone believes or not.  We each walk our own road.  Peace.  sorry this is long-ish!

I'm not debating the possible existence of orbs, simply that this video clearly does not show anything paranormal. I have a strong faith that in the grand scheme of things the truth will prevail. I would love for things like orbs to be proven, I just need evidence which is more convincing!

And you are volunteering for ridicule, saying you have had experiences & knowing it's true, but being unwilling to share. We've seen it all too often here. Quick to make claims but never able to reproduce convincing evidence.

I'm interested in seeing Vivian Walkers work. Just did a quick Google search but didn't really find anything. Can you please point me in the right direction!?

Edit: Yes I've seen many orb photos like the video too in all types of conditions, however one thing is consistent - in all of them the conditions are favorable for particles being illuminated by an external light source. Can you show any examples where this isn't the case

Edited by Timonthy, 13 February 2012 - 05:37 AM.

[dest]

ShamanPunk, on 23 January 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Ha ha i take no offense at what u said, maybe u need to look more closely because if thats all u saw then i would advise a trip to the opticians!!!! It is utilising the internal energy called Chi... and shouldnt matter what colour a persons skin is....

This should be more suitable for you to make out:

oh srry I dident mean it by the color of the skin i was just talking about those ppl that try being funny and mock nativ indians not that your doing that but it looked like that srry again if I said anything that was bad.

[Sakari]

Leftcoastgal, on 12 February 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I don't have a connection to the Earth is Flat folks, so your apology is a bit off the mark ; - )  not my people!   The scientists of the day might have been a better use of what I was trying to express.  When it comes to paranormal, you know as well as I do that when presented with what is considered evidence, a series of measurements from various disciplines (science in other words) is applied, depending of course on who's seeking the answer and the depth of the their pocketbooks.  Science DOES rewrite facts when needed, all we're talking about now is semantics.  Hold that thought, I'll have to go and dig up some examples of this, or stay tuned over the next 5-10 years and pay attention, (IMO about the years, could be tomorrow or 20-yrs from now, I dunno..).  

Off the chart belief... wow.  Is it really off the chart to consider the possibility of energies, not visible to the naked eye, existing and being present in our atmosphere, or dimension, (although dimension may be too far a leap for you), without speculating on origin?  That doesn't seem off the chart to me at all, but that's me, happy with the abilities gifted each of us at birth, happy too for the paranormal experiences I've had that opened my eyes to how small we think the universe is compared to how big and full it actually is, that I'm still not even close to knowing those boundaries, AND lastly to imagine what is potentially possible beyond my own nose even though science hasn't yet given their seal of approval to whatever the case may be, orbs maybe?  Did you ever see the actual photos that came out of Russia that displayed the energy emanating out and away from plant life?  Ever seen the results of tests made to determine if plants had some form of consciousness?  I'm pretty sure I read about those in David Wilcock's 2012 book, which I haven't finished reading yet, but did read that part.  Want the scientists name?  I'll  go dig it up.  Does common sense tell you plants have consciousness?   Just curious.   shoot, too long again.  I'm seriously sorry... I hate it when I do this.  I'm swearing off long ones for today, ok?  Peace.

God only knows what kind of puddle would be left in place of you if you did have a paranormal experience.  Oh wait... God... sorry about that, not provable either.  Keep your common sense, I'll keep mine AND the additions I have made along paranormal lines.  It's all good.

You have a lot of things in there....A lot of topics wrapped into one.....As for the flat world thing, I was saying it was a skeptic that had the balls to say it was not flat....Not a believer.

Anyway, I am not going to answer all of what you said, as I do think a lot of what you are talking about is interesting, such as plants, etc.....I also have a interest in " earth lights' ( brown mountain lights, and the ones in Norway )........I do not have to have a scientist verify everything for me to believe it, but I do need enough evidence for MYSELF to believe it.....Do I believe there is energy floating around, yes, because there is.....

Do I believe people can summon it, and throw it via Harry Potter style......Not at all.