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#76    Stellar

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:55 PM

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The problem with this particular "crime" is that unlike robbing a bank or speeding, this crime could very likely end up causing the death of many many more people. It was not just "stupid" it was reckless.

Really? We're going to play the "what could happen" game? I guess this crime could very likely also end up causing a backpack nuke to explode in NYC as retaliation also. Hell, it could cause WWIII! :rolleyes:

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Depleted Uranium is it?

Depleted uranium is genocide? Really? God, I guess we're also comitting genocide with lead poisoning aswell, you know, with all the lead in our bullets.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:43 PM

View PostStellar, on 23 January 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

Really? We're going to play the "what could happen" game? I guess this crime could very likely also end up causing a backpack nuke to explode in NYC as retaliation also. Hell, it could cause WWIII! :rolleyes:



Depleted uranium is genocide? Really? God, I guess we're also comitting genocide with lead poisoning aswell, you know, with all the lead in our bullets.
Lead bullets do not cause mass miscarriages and babies born dead or so deformed they die soon after.
Lead bullets do not sterilize large groups of then enemy so they cannoy give birth to more of the people you are trying to destroy. It is proven and the US ignores UN sanctions at their will.

Why not urninate of their dead so they will get really "pissed off" pardon the pun, and also piss of their fellow muslims that have nuclear weapons and may not want to become the next victim of a US urination insult/assault

Edited by james1951, 23 January 2012 - 06:46 PM.


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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:14 PM

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Lead bullets do not cause mass miscarriages and babies born dead or so deformed they die soon after.
Lead bullets do not sterilize large groups of then enemy so they cannoy give birth to more of the people you are trying to destroy. It is proven and the US ignores UN sanctions at their will.

Neither does DI. Care to show me what UN sanction youre referring to, regarding DI?

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:44 PM

View Postjames1951, on 23 January 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

Depleted  Uranium is it?

No it's a type of weapon, not a focused policy to wipe out a particular social, ethnic, or religious group.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:56 PM

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No it's a type of weapon, not a focused policy to wipe out a particular social, ethnic, or religious group.

I wouldnt even call it a type of weapon. Its a type of metal used in ammunition and armor.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:05 PM

View PostCorp, on 23 January 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

No it's a type of weapon, not a focused policy to wipe out a particular social, ethnic, or religious group.
It is a type of weapon BANNED by the united weapons because of its genocidal properties.


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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:29 PM

View PostStellar, on 23 January 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

I wouldnt even call it a type of weapon. Its a type of metal used in ammunition and armor.

hahahaha "armor" below is  an excerpt from this report http://www.michaelpa...gSanctions.html


Not everyone shows better morale. It is said that the most depressed officials in Iraq can be found in the Ministry of Health, not surprisingly given the tragedies they confront. Aside from the 200,000 Iraqis slaughtered during the Gulf War, an additional 1.5 million civilians have died since 1991 as a result of the sanctions, according to UNICEF reports and the Red Cross, many from what normally would be treatable and curable illnesses. Of these victims, 600,000 are children under 5 years of age. Maternal mortality rates have more than doubled, and 70 percent of Iraqi women suffer from anemia. Given the tons of depleted uranium used during the Allied attacks, cancer rates have skyrocketed: the childhood leukemia rate is now the highest in the world. Most of the leukemia increase is in southern Iraq where the bombing was heaviest.

yes  genocide

Urinating on people who will soon be no more is not so dangerous, unless it sets an example for the country next door who does have nuclear weapons and knows that starting a nuclear  holocaust is the  road to heaven and ridding the world of infidels.


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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:33 PM

View Postjames1951, on 23 January 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

hahahaha "armor" below is  an excerpt from this report http://www.michaelpa...gSanctions.html


Not everyone shows better morale. It is said that the most depressed officials in Iraq can be found in the Ministry of Health, not surprisingly given the tragedies they confront. Aside from the 200,000 Iraqis slaughtered during the Gulf War, an additional 1.5 million civilians have died since 1991 as a result of the sanctions, according to UNICEF reports and the Red Cross, many from what normally would be treatable and curable illnesses. Of these victims, 600,000 are children under 5 years of age. Maternal mortality rates have more than doubled, and 70 percent of Iraqi women suffer from anemia. Given the tons of depleted uranium used during the Allied attacks, cancer rates have skyrocketed: the childhood leukemia rate is now the highest in the world. Most of the leukemia increase is in southern Iraq where the bombing was heaviest.

yes  genocide

Urinating on people who will soon be no more is not so dangerous, unless it sets an example for the country next door who does have nuclear weapons and knows that starting a nuclear  holocaust is the  road to heaven and ridding the world of infidels.
Yeah, those medical problems couldn't possibly be due to the poor diet and lack of medical care in the region...  :rolleyes:

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:40 PM

View PostFluffybunny, on 23 January 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

Yeah, those medical problems couldn't possibly be due to the poor diet and lack of medical care in the region...  :rolleyes:
Read the whole report and you will find quite the contrary. This was deliberate and planned murder of innocents and demolish of infrastructure,


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Posted 23 January 2012 - 11:01 PM

View Postjames1951, on 23 January 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

And why bother apologizing to people you are  systematically wiping of the map.

No one mentioned an apology other than yourself.

No one is wiping anyone off the map.

Come on now, James.  The situation is not going to change simply because you choose to make it more dramatic.  All it is going to do is make people wonder why you are trying to make so much out of so little.  It devalues your claim.

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Genocide leaves no one to retaliate.

And here you take it up yet another level, when the value of the argument was already stretched as it was.  

Genocide.  Really?  And we are talking about four foolish marines who filmed themselves urinating on a corpse.

This actually results in negative credibility for the argument.  People who were willing to give you the benefit of the doubt are now backing away from the argument because of the disproportionality.

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Unless of course those people have friends with weapons of mass destruction who say to themselves "we're next" and if we are going down we will take millions of them down with us.

Fortunately, there will be those smart enough to go "Wait, how did you go from people pissing on a corpse to imminent mass genocide?"


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Posted 23 January 2012 - 11:07 PM

View Postjames1951, on 23 January 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

It is a type of weapon BANNED by the united weapons because of its genocidal properties.

I am assuming you mean the United Nations?

No, it is not banned by them.  In fact, they have regularly rejected calls for banning.

James, are you under the impression that Depleted Uranium is dangerous because of radioactivity?


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Posted 23 January 2012 - 11:57 PM

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It is a type of weapon BANNED by the united weapons because of its genocidal properties.

Put your money where your mouth is. Show me a single link from the UN that states DU is banned. I'm unaware of any.

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Not everyone shows better morale. It is said that the most depressed officials in Iraq can be found in the Ministry of Health, not surprisingly given the tragedies they confront. Aside from the 200,000 Iraqis slaughtered during the Gulf War, an additional 1.5 million civilians have died since 1991 as a result of the sanctions, according to UNICEF reports and the Red Cross, many from what normally would be treatable and curable illnesses. Of these victims, 600,000 are children under 5 years of age. Maternal mortality rates have more than doubled, and 70 percent of Iraqi women suffer from anemia. Given the tons of depleted uranium used during the Allied attacks, cancer rates have skyrocketed: the childhood leukemia rate is now the highest in the world. Most of the leukemia increase is in southern Iraq where the bombing was heaviest.

Its a warzone for christ's sake. You expect everything to be normal? I'd like to see some scientific evidence that shows that this is all due to DU, rather than people crying bloody murder simply because the word "uranium" is used.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 12:19 AM

View Postaquatus1, on 23 January 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

No one mentioned an apology other than yourself.

No one is wiping anyone off the map.

Come on now, James.  The situation is not going to change simply because you choose to make it more dramatic.  All it is going to do is make people wonder why you are trying to make so much out of so little.  It devalues your claim.



And here you take it up yet another level, when the value of the argument was already stretched as it was.  

Genocide.  Really?  And we are talking about four foolish marines who filmed themselves urinating on a corpse.

This actually results in negative credibility for the argument.  People who were willing to give you the benefit of the doubt are now backing away from the argument because of the disproportionality.



Fortunately, there will be those smart enough to go "Wait, how did you go from people pissing on a corpse to imminent mass genocide?"
Hey I took this all the way to a nuclear holocaust.
You know Iran has nukes and they are  not gonna want American marines peeing on their dead soldiers.


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Posted 24 January 2012 - 12:38 AM

Escalating is not making your argument stronger.  If anything, it is doing the opposite.  Go in the other direction.  First establish that there is something to worry about to begin with.


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Posted 24 January 2012 - 01:14 AM

View Postjames1951, on 23 January 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

Read the whole report and you will find quite the contrary. This was deliberate and planned murder of innocents and demolish of infrastructure,
why don't you start providing proof for your outlandish claims. I was in the Army for many years and was in Iraq, and dealt with Iraqi's who were fighters as well as civilians. There was no genocide and DU did nothing of what you are claiming. Perhaps you would like to offer some proof and it would be a different story. DU is used by plenty of countries all over the world for its' density and how well it shoots through what it is pointed at. It isn't the same as the uranium in a nuclear warhead. Stop with the hysterics and start proving your point.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.




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