How about Deputy Chief Peter Hayden?
Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
Here is the fuller information…
Hayden himself was initially only, “concerned of the possibility of collapse” – as I mentioned before, this type of concern was normal. It is the unnamed engineer I keep referring to (and who Hayden refers to as “we” above) who actually told the FDNY, complete with “on the money” time estimate, that WTC7 was coming down.
Hayden explains it here: -
“And we had a discussion with one particular engineer there, and we asked him, if we allowed it to burn could we anticipate a collapse, and if so, how soon?... And it turned out that he was pretty much right on the money, that he said, ‘In its current state, you have about five hours.’”
So we see, the only reason he said, “we were pretty sure she was going to collapse” is due to advice received from the unnamed engineer. It is this advice which passed to Chief Nigro, filtered down through the fire fighter ranks and led to the full withdrawal.
NIST lead investigator, Shyam Sunder, further confirmed this when asked where foreknowledge of the WTC7 collapse originated: -
“We are aware that an engineer or a technical expert or a technical advisor was providing advice to the city agencies with regard to the condition of building 7. The advice really was focussed on whether or not firefighting operations should be continued in Building 7...
So it was the judgement of this advisor or advisors that the building eventually would come down…”
That is the official narrative - the initial collapse warning came from an unnamed advisor (the engineer mentioned by Hayden).
And you claim that nobody expected the building to come down except for one unnamed guy? Really?
Not one of the firefighters expected WTC7 to come down of their own independent judgment. The fire fighters expected the building to come down because that is what they were told was going to happen.
That quote at the top of Swanny’s list for example is from Lieutenant James McGlynn. It is on record that he and the firefighters accompanying him had been told, a short time before passing the building, that it was going to come down (the advice from ‘unnamed engineer’ above was relayed through FDNY radios).
That is the only reason McGlynn then asks, “It's like, is it coming down next?” It is not because he heard a “creak” and saw fire (common occurrences in his line of work) that he thought this. It is because the idea was already firmly implanted in his mind that the WTC7 was coming down before he ever even witnessed the building for himself.
I said, “virtually in its own footprint, minimal damage to surrounding structures”.
Not bad, eh?
We’ve had some nice chats together, you know I am interested in the truth of these matters. Please don’t accuse me of promoting something I know is false – I have never done that once in my time here. I’m sure you have better arguments than that. If you somehow believe my statement is not supported by the photograph I’d like to hear why you think so.