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[Bracket]

Habitat, on 25 January 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

Gawd, I'd be embarrassed for Bracket if "she" was of 'ambiguous gender" though. Not that there is anything wrong with that !  

She's not.    I know because i've been stalking her.   ..... I mean, following her career.  

[Habitat]

Bracket, on 25 January 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

She's not.    I know because i've been stalking her.   ..... I mean, following her career.  

What's her name ?

[Imaginarynumber1]

Habitat, on 25 January 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

What's her name ?

Steve?

[Cassea]

What proof would you want?  What would you consider empirical.

[Englishgent]

I hope nobody minds me re-posting this (it went into the poems bit some time ago) but it sums up my feelings as to whether or not any proof will ever be found.
Thank you , in advance

The Cosmic Question.

As I sit here and watch the sky,
things go through my mind, I wonder why.
Do I really exist or is it a game.
Could I belong to a much greater plane.
I drift from my body and look down on this place.
It's really quite small from out here in space.
I do not feel cold, alone or afraid.
I just want the answer. How was it all made.
The stars, the planets, asteroids in a gang.
Did it all come from one great big bang.
Or is it much easier to understand.
Is there a God, did He lend a hand.
Some would say yes and some would say no.
Some would say simply, I really dont know.
But there's nobody out here to ask or debate.
Nobody out here the truth to relate.
So I'll drift back to Earth and I'll watch the sky.
Things will go through my mind and I'll wonder why.

Engilshgent.

[Xanthurion2]

god exists as an idea. where's my money?

[aquatus1]

Alienated Being, on 25 January 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

I want empirical evidence that suggests, beyond a reasonable doubt, that an omniscient, anthropomorphic supernatural being that governs the fates of his products exists.

Your request is self-invalidating.  Empirical evidence is evidence which is gathered according to the precepts of scientific methodology.  By definition, the supernatural is something beyond the understanding of science.  One cannot gather empirical evidence of a supernatural event.

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I will write you a $10,000 cheque if you can convince me that a God truly, undeniably exists.

This disclaimer also indicates that this offer is not trustworthy.  You made a very specific request for objective evidence in your first line, however the line governing the distribution of the reward makes very subjective conditions.


This is not an offer that passes review.  It is not logically valid, and it fails in regards to credibility and clarity.

[Antilles]

Alienated Being, on 25 January 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

Lol. This thread is going off in an entirely different direction than I intended, however, it's giving me a pretty good laugh...

Carry on. LOL

Well, can we get $10 000 if someone proves you exist?

[Beckys_Mom]

Antilles, on 25 January 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

Well, can we get $10 000 if someone proves you exist?

I can prove to you that my tom cat Wallie exists.. in fact I would go further and send the little bugger over to you and let him annoy you for a change  lol   You can have the pleasure of waking up to his 3am meows...his morning , noon and night meows. EVEN if you place the bugger outside, he meows loudly outside your windows  Trying to sneak behind the TV for a pee ( but never gets away with it ).....

.......His constant greed ...trust me you couldn't even pop an aspirin, and he is looking it out of your mouth ....his prowling and  destroying the furniture...bullying his sister..trying to chew threw the wires  ( sometimes i am tempted to let him lol..tempted, I don't actually let him).......I could give you a list, but hey I can do more than prove the little git exists.. Just say the word and I'll send him  your way...You can keep your $10,000  you may need it for therapy afterwards ...

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 25 January 2012 - 12:22 PM.

[Antilles]

Beckys_Mom, on 25 January 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

I can prove to you that my tom cat Wallie exists.. in fact I would go further and send the little bugger over to you and let him annoy you for a change  lol   You can have the pleasure of waking up to his 3am meows...his morning , noon and night meows. EVEN if you place the bugger outside, he meows loudly outside your windows  Trying to sneak behind the TV for a pee ( but never gets away with it ).....

.......His constant greed ...trust me you couldn't even pop an aspirin, and he is looking it out of your mouth ....his prowling and  destroying the furniture...bullying his sister..trying to chew threw the wires  ( sometimes i am tempted to let him lol..tempted, I don't actually let him).......I could give you a list, but hey I can do more than prove the little git exists.. Just say the word and I'll send him  your way...You can keep your $10,000  you may need it for therapy afterwards ...

Will your cat take $10 500 if it can prove anyone exists?

[Alienated Being]

aquatus1, on 25 January 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

Your request is self-invalidating.  Empirical evidence is evidence which is gathered according to the precepts of scientific methodology.  By definition, the supernatural is something beyond the understanding of science.  One cannot gather empirical evidence of a supernatural event.

Then what's the point in in investing belief in a God if you can't gather evidence of its existence? Using that logic, you may as well just invest believe in unicorns, dragons, leprechauns, faeries, etc.

Are you a blind believer?

Edited by Alienated Being, 25 January 2012 - 01:14 PM.

[Biff Wellington]

I found proof that god exists!

[shadowhive]

Alienated Being, on 25 January 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

I want empirical evidence that suggests, beyond a reasonable doubt, that an omniscient, anthropomorphic supernatural being that governs the fates of his products exists.

I will write you a $10,000 cheque if you can convince me that a God truly, undeniably exists.

Go.

In this day and age, there's no such proof that we are aware of (otherwise it wouldn't be a case of belief, it would be a case of fact). All 'evidence' is via personal experience, conjecture or comes from religious texts which are rather unreliable as proof.

All we actually have is proof that people believe/have believed in gods, but not proof that those gods existed. I doubt meaningful evidence of the existance of god exists, at least in our lifetimes.

[Alienated Being]

Even better proof that God exists.

[littleriot]

God is in the realm of things that cannot be proved- if you could prove a faith it would cease to involve faith and become fact, which is what God isn't by nature. The absence of evidence would arguably be a reason for belief to some people.

Also, most of the time what God is is relative to the person, making that impossible to share or show proof even if someone feels they have it.