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[Alienated Being]

Mr Walker, on 22 February 2012 - 07:24 AM, said:

That is your problem of disbelief getting n the raod of the facts.  I believe the scientists, who said they worked with very  young chidren, including those who had never been introduced to the concepet of god These were nt religious peole but modern scientists in a range of disciplines and countries.  It really isnt that hard to find such children today.

Where did I say that the scientists themselves were religious? Just because the children were very young, that doesn't indicate that they weren't exposed to the concept of a god.

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I disagree with this, historically. Again, i think you are allowing you rdesire to eliminate religion as a natural humnan force influence your thinking. The human brain is no differnt today from 100000 years ago. Modern "cave men" create deities including those of animism and natural forces. So, given, the same environments and brain function, so too would have people, such as cromagnon and neandertal people.  As soon as one recognises the spiritual "nature" in thought patterns, of  the human mind,  it is obvious that once a huma level mind evolves it begins creating deities. The earliest temples and writings, going back more than 10000 years illustrate this.

Those illustrations don't necessarily indicate a god. It can indicate a sense of spiritualism, correct; but it doesn't indicate the concept of a god.

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Well of course it does and I accept it as scientific truth. HOWEVER, humans will one day be able to crete and populate planets. Not really too far in the future. That reality opens my mind to other possibilities as well. What we can do others can certainly also accomplish.

Yes, it is very far into the future. We are nowhere near this possibility now.

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A sense of spiritualism involving nature DOES include deities. They began with the circle of the earth and the sky represented i very early carved forms of "jewellery" and totems, progressed to the moon and sun, and then split up into animist and other deities. Much later they took human form in peole's minds and finally were established a a monotheistic personal god by the  "people of the dust" or hebrew people about 5000 years ago. The cave paintings of lascaux etc., the hunting ceremonies of cromagnon people, the burial practices of neandertal and cromagnon people among other archaeologicla evidences illustrate the thought processes of those people  Such thought processes included a recognition and worship of many forms of "the divine" Those forms of the divine are deities, albeit not quite like the modern deity of god as sen by christians.

This is an assumption. It doesn't indicate the existence of a deity at all...

[M.A.D CapeBretoner]

Alienated Being, on 25 January 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

I want empirical evidence that suggests, beyond a reasonable doubt, that an omniscient, anthropomorphic supernatural being that governs the fates of his products exists.

I will write you a $10,000 cheque if you can convince me that a God truly, undeniably exists.

Go.

Were you not born of flesh by your Mother and the blood of life from your Father,open your eyes and look in the ******* mirror.

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M.A.D, on 22 February 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Were you not born of flesh by your Mother and the blood of life from your Father,open your eyes and look in the ******* mirror.

No, I was born from my mother after her egg was fertilized by my father's sperm and about 9 months pasted.  When I look in the mirror, all I see is me.  If you are seeing something else, you might want to get some help for that.

[Alienated Being]

M.A.D, on 22 February 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Were you not born of flesh by your Mother and the blood of life from your Father,open your eyes and look in the ******* mirror.

You know what I see in the mirror when I wake up every morning? I see a normal human being, whom is the product of evolution and sexual reproduction. That's what I see. I see no evidence of a god when I look into the mirror. What I see when I look at your post is ignorance; ignorance to logic and scientific probability.

[M.A.D CapeBretoner]

Alienated Being, on 22 February 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

You know what I see in the mirror when I wake up every morning? I see a normal human being, whom is the product of evolution and sexual reproduction. That's what I see. I see no evidence of a god when I look into the mirror. What I see when I look at your post is ignorance; ignorance to logic and scientific probability.

This was said by another in the past or close to, is that to optain what is matter, one must know spirit,and in your case it is your Holy Spirit.
and when one optain's that which is God first conqure,s human consciousness.And so with you get to know th'y self not only in body but also in mind.

[Rlyeh]

M.A.D, on 22 February 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Were you not born of flesh by your Mother and the blood of life from your Father,open your eyes and look in the ******* mirror.

What the **** does this have to do with god?

[M.A.D CapeBretoner]

Didn't Einsteine show that matter and energy are one so it is up to the beholder of the knowledge that get's them closer to the truth,it's up to you if you wish to share.

[Alienated Being]

M.A.D, on 22 February 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

This was said by another in the past or close to, is that to optain what is matter, one must know spirit,and in your case it is your Holy Spirit.
and when one optain's that which is God first conqure,s human consciousness.And so with you get to know th'y self not only in body but also in mind.

What a load of bull.

[M.A.D CapeBretoner]

Rlyeh, on 22 February 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

What the **** does this have to do with god?

We are all chidren of God our Father and when I say Father their has to be a Mother that stands shoulder to should arm and arm they are One.

[Rlyeh]

M.A.D, on 22 February 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

We are all chidren of God our Father and when I say Father their has to be a Mother that stands shoulder to should arm and arm they are One.

You're wrong, Zeus gave Prometheus the task of forming humans.

[Alienated Being]

M.A.D, on 22 February 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

We are all chidren of God our Father and when I say Father their has to be a Mother that stands shoulder to should arm and arm they are One.

[M.A.D CapeBretoner]

Alienated Being, on 22 February 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

What a load of bull.

Even though I was born under the sign of the bull this that I say is not **** you must be from the maineland .
Knowing God is a personal thing and that way is to the God that is in you.
This is not about the I AM that is me this is you that wants to know.

[M.A.D CapeBretoner]

Rlyeh, on 22 February 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

You're wrong, Zeus gave Prometheus the task of forming humans.

WTF,They are all dead but God the Father is and will be for ever and ever.
Good old Sophiea or bad old Sophiea went off creating without her consort's approval and that was not right and you see where they are now Lord **** thank God our Father that they blew away to history.

[Rlyeh]

M.A.D, on 22 February 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

WTF,They are all dead but God the Father is and will be for ever and ever.
Good old Sophiea or bad old Sophiea went off creating without her consort's approval and that was not right and you see where they are now Lord **** thank God our Father that they blew away to history.

Zeus is the king of the gods, including your god. Not sure where you're getting this crap Zeus is dead.

[M.A.D CapeBretoner]

Rlyeh, on 22 February 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

Zeus is the king of the gods, including your god. Not sure where you're getting this crap Zeus is dead.

Zeus is no more and look soon all that was or I should say what's left will be no more as well.
You pagen's never give up do you.