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#1    White Crane Feather

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:36 AM

So I just talked my histerical 6 year old down from a sleep pralysis event. I was wondering when his first would be. I was haunted by them most of my life, and as many of you who know me in these forums now I asist other people In over comeing them.

I have noticed his ability/curse to become altered was like mine... And I have sat with him through many of night terrors.  He has already had sleep studies done of course with nothing it's just apart of what we are.

The reason I'm posting is because I'm letting everyone known. That my son described a text book old hag scenerio. Monster sitting on his chest and so he couldn't breath and everything . Yet I have never spoken about this around him. He is no way culturally influenced.

If you have children that experience this.. For gods sake let them sleep with you.. As a kid no one ever believed how real my attacks were and blew them off as nightmares. They are something difterent..a differnt class of nightmare. And they are a common human experience independent of cultural conditioning.

That's all. If any one needs assistance with these problems....I'll help you in any way that I can.

Edited by Seeker79, 30 January 2012 - 05:38 AM.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:39 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 30 January 2012 - 05:36 AM, said:

So I just talked my histerical 6 year old down from a sleep pralysis event. I was wondering when his first would be. I was haunted by them most of my life, and as many of you who know me in these forums now I asist other people In over comeing them.

I have noticed his ability/curse to become altered was like mine... And I have sat with him through many of night terrors.  He has already had sleep studies done of course with nothing it's just apart of what we are.

The reason I'm posting is because I'm letting everyone known. That my son described a text book old hag scenerio. Monster sitting on his chest and so he couldn't breath and everything . Yet I have never spoken about this around him. He is no way culturally influenced.

If you have children that experience this.. For gods sake let them sleep with you.. As a kid no one ever believed how real my attacks were and blew them off as nightmares. They are something difterent..a differnt class of nightmare. And they are a common human experience independent of cultural conditioning.

I had this happen to me, maybe half a dozen times, the first time starting last year. YES it is terrifying, and very real. I attributed it to me being stressed and a weak state of mind, making me more susseptible to negative energies. It just felt so evil, and it fed off my terror.
I really don't know mush about them, why they happen, or how they go away, but I can say with certainty that they are horrible.

That's all. If any one needs assistance with these problems....I'll help you in any way that I can.

I had this happen, maybe half a dozen times. The first starting about a year ago. YES! They are terrifying and very real. I attributed it to me being under stress and in a weaker state of mind, which allowed the negative energies in.
I don't know much about them, other than the terrifying experience they cause. I don't know where they came from, or how they stopped. I feel sad for you son. Its a good thing you are an understanding and accepting parent.

Edited by littlewonder, 30 January 2012 - 05:43 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:48 PM

I remember waking up while staying with at my grandmas house when i was really little. (I want to say 5 or 6) I remember being able to sit up in the bed,  but not being able to move anymore than that, also not being able to scream or yell for her. I was terrifed and panicking.  I wonder if that's the same thing or something different?


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 07:10 PM

View Postsarah_444, on 30 January 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

I remember waking up while staying with at my grandmas house when i was really little. (I want to say 5 or 6) I remember being able to sit up in the bed,  but not being able to move anymore than that, also not being able to scream or yell for her. I was terrifed and panicking.  I wonder if that's the same thing or something different?
It sounds similar. I new my son was headed for it. I will be training him to overcome these things as soon as he us old enough to understand. For now all I can do is comfort him, and avoid the circumstances that cause it.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:35 AM

View Postsarah_444, on 30 January 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

I remember waking up while staying with at my grandmas house when i was really little. (I want to say 5 or 6) I remember being able to sit up in the bed,  but not being able to move anymore than that, also not being able to scream or yell for her. I was terrifed and panicking.  I wonder if that's the same thing or something different?

its the old hag for sure. sounds like my expereince only i lived with my grandmother and once i became aware i was dreaming, and dreaming badly i tried to wake up. that, other than the figure in the dream with me, was the scariest part. not being able to move a muscle or scream for help. i spacifically remember trying to scream for her but it came out muffled and quiet, like a mumbling idiot really. and i could lift my arm enough so that i wass able to hit the wall. to my thinking id bang on the wall and shed wake up and come rush in and somehow wake me. but i was already awake! it wasnt untill the black figure, which looked much like the grim reaper minus the hardware and any and all features, just a black cloaked figure walking toward me. stopping at my bedside, and putting his hands under me like he was about to carry me off.

at the time i was convinced he was the angel of death and if he got me out of my bed then id be dead or something. it was the single most terrifying thing ive ever experienced. and its happend after that in variations, sometimes theres no man figure, only the paralyzing thing and other times ill be about to drop off into sleep when im suddenly terrified once i do it'll be one of those dreams and "he'll" come. hes never actually gotten me tho, i always manage to bang about or moan loud enough for my partner to wake me or sjake me out of it. he never sits on me either, and he's not small, hes huge. just black. plain black like a robe.

he's the single most terrifying thing in the world if you dont know its something that happens to lots of people. and that the dream itself, being awake but still asleep can help you astral project. or just give u the opportunity to have a really really lucid and cool dream. unfortunately i havent been able to acheive either as of yet, but i can assure you that its not a monster or a demon. i just dont know what the hell it is but its comforting to know its relatively normal and most people experience it at least once. and not everyone experiences it with the figure or figures. sometimes its just a dream u cant wake yourself up from and thats scary enough.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:53 AM

Well, I don't remember seeing or "feeling" anything with me at the time of my experience.

I was so young so the memory is fuzzy, but nothing like that has happened again. I thought maybe I had just woken up from a nightmare and was paralyzed with fear, except I remember that I was sitting upright trying my hardest to scream and run out of the room.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:09 AM

View Postsarah_444, on 26 February 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

Well, I don't remember seeing or "feeling" anything with me at the time of my experience.

I was so young so the memory is fuzzy, but nothing like that has happened again. I thought maybe I had just woken up from a nightmare and was paralyzed with fear, except I remember that I was sitting upright trying my hardest to scream and run out of the room.


sarah, thats exactly what i thought, "oh god im so scared i cant move". and i guess not everone sees the figure or figures, but that kind of dream itself is scary becasue you realize you're dreaming and arent able to wake yourself no matter how hard u try. of course eventually u wake, but while yopu're in it it's terrifing really. you're lucky you didnt see or feel anything present with you. ill never forget what i felt and experienced.

the thing is,since i was essentially having and OBE whatever was there with me ive got to face eventually becasue its really there. not just a dream. so theres where im at trying to kick myself out of my body so i can flip poff the grim reaper and have an amaxing OBE!


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 04:32 AM

I recall the first time it happened to me, I was very young as well possibly six or seven. At first I had no idea how it had been different from any other dream, I just knew it felt a lot more real and I was a lot more terrified. I still recall the dream that came before it, it was full of animals (when I was little I lived out in the country and we had a mini farm kinda thing).

In the beginning of the dream I could see the rabbits terrified in their cages like there was something trying to get at them from the outside but I couldn't see anything. I turned to run back inside but a big crack opened in the ground between me and the house. I looked back and there were pigeons on the ground they were doing some kind of dance or ritual it was really creepy, it looked evil to me. I felt like something was chasing me but I couldn't see it, I couldn't move or scream. When I woke up I sat still in my bed till my Mom came in... I must have screamed at some point. I remember trying to tell her how scary it was, how it was not a normal dream, I even remember telling her I didn't want to go to school, lol... She laughed at me, told me it was just a dream and everything would be okay.

I hope all turns out well Seeker, just let him know you have been there and understand that is probably the best comfort you can provide. Also tell him next time you will be there, that might help. ;)

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:50 PM

Thanks daharma...

I guess he is pretty lucky haveing a dad that is not going to just call it a nightmare and make him go back to bed.

The interesting part about the whole thing is that these images of some monster sitting on top of you, must be some kind of genetic memory or something. Otherwise, why would my six year old who has never herd me discuss it before join the ranks of thousands of years if people. Quite interesting.

Edited by Seeker79, 28 February 2012 - 03:53 PM.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 04:08 PM

I made a video for people that might need help with this, just let me know and I'll send it to you. ( I have already posted it several places)

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 06:04 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 30 January 2012 - 05:36 AM, said:


The reason I'm posting is because I'm letting everyone known. That my son described a text book old hag scenerio. Monster sitting on his chest and so he couldn't breath and everything . Yet I have never spoken about this around him. He is no way culturally influenced.


Given your constant fixation on the subject, I really find that difficult to accept.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 06:35 PM

View PostRafterman, on 28 February 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Given your constant fixation on the subject, I really find that difficult to accept.
That's fine. You are entitled to what you accept and don't accept. ;)

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:20 PM

Check out my sig for a link to very relevant sleep studies on the subject.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:42 PM

Seeker,

   I am very sorry to hear that your child has had this experience. As a sufferer who as a child was told it was 'just a dream' and to get back in bed, I am glad your child has someone to understand them. I've come to a peace with my little trips down the Old Hag trail, still have them time to time, but they are getting easier to uh... ignore.

    It's so strange how real it feels, I was convinced until about '99 that I was being attacked by aliens... a girlfriend got to see me in an 'attack' and that prompted me to seek a doctor.

     I hope everything gets better for you and the family.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 02:59 PM

It happened again. It seems to be happening when he fales asleep somewhere else then I carry him to his room. Then five minutes latter he is wondering into my room or back down stairs. The funny thing is that he is still altered. Sleep walking sort of. He is kinda aware but he dosnt make anysense.  A walking hypnogogia. This is also an altered state I stumbled upon. It lasts a few minutes then I manage to snap him out of it. This time it was a pincher that was holding him down so he could not breath.

Poor kid. He is just like me.

As he gets older I will teach him how to control these states and make of them what he will. I'm going to take him to a neurologists as well. Just to make sure there is nothing else inducing these altered states other than just genetic propensity.

My son will grow to be a dreamer. I'm not sure I wanted that for him, but at the same time I'm glad he will have the self reflecting benefits of learning his own mind and fears. He is a smart very sweat kid full of kindness to others. I think he will do well.

Edited by Seeker79, 06 March 2012 - 03:00 PM.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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