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Posted 13 March 2012 - 04:28 PM

First off, I am new here so hello.  I have been learning about astral projection and found this place.  When I saw this thread, I had to register and respond.

I have had this experience as far back as I can remember.  It doesn't happen a lot, but it seems like at least once a year or so.  I usually sense someone standing at the side of my bed watching me, but I can't move.  One particular time, i was trying so hard to jump up and hit them that eventually I did leap up and take a swing at them.  Of course, no one was there and I ended up swinging at air and falling off the bed.  :lol:

The reason this thread caught my attention is because I believe it has happened to my daughter.  She's two years old.  She will wake up in the middle of the night absolutely terrified and screaming.  When I go in her room, she will still be in a trance like state and it takes awhile to get her to realize that I'm right there with her.  I bring her to bed with me and she clings to me for the rest of the night.

This was happening every night for a while.   When it was happening every night, she wasn't  a talker.  Now that she's older (she will be three in a few weeks), she can communicate better, but it's not happening now.  I just wish she would have had the ability to tell me what was going on.


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:34 PM

View Postswamp, on 13 March 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

First off, I am new here so hello.  I have been learning about astral projection and found this place.  When I saw this thread, I had to register and respond.

I have had this experience as far back as I can remember.  It doesn't happen a lot, but it seems like at least once a year or so.  I usually sense someone standing at the side of my bed watching me, but I can't move.  One particular time, i was trying so hard to jump up and hit them that eventually I did leap up and take a swing at them.  Of course, no one was there and I ended up swinging at air and falling off the bed.  :lol:

The reason this thread caught my attention is because I believe it has happened to my daughter.  She's two years old.  She will wake up in the middle of the night absolutely terrified and screaming.  When I go in her room, she will still be in a trance like state and it takes awhile to get her to realize that I'm right there with her.  I bring her to bed with me and she clings to me for the rest of the night.

This was happening every night for a while.   When it was happening every night, she wasn't  a talker.  Now that she's older (she will be three in a few weeks), she can communicate better, but it's not happening now.  I just wish she would have had the ability to tell me what was going on.
Night terrors are a bit diffrent than sleep paralysis but probably pretty closely related. If it keeps up have a sleep study done and talk to a nurologist. For some kids a simple liquid iron supplement can make a world of difference. Try not to disturb her if she is already asleep. Our problem happens when he falls asleep on the coach and we Carey him to his room. If it is cronic, and the doctors don't have any solutions keep in contact and I will give you the right things to say to her to teach her not to be scared. If it's just night terrors, then it should pass in a few years.

SP signs: she will remember
-- something sitting on her or by her bed
-- can't breath
-- can't move
-- possibly tugging at her legs

Night terrors, she should not remember anything.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:41 PM

I've only experienced the old Hag Syndrome once when i was a kid. Started off with classic sleep paralysis couldn't move and i could see this "thing that looked like an old lady on me." It toke All of my Strength to break free from SP and run like Hell downstairs.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:52 PM

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That's fine. You are entitled to what you accept and don't accept. ;)
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:20 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 28 February 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Thanks daharma...

I guess he is pretty lucky haveing a dad that is not going to just call it a nightmare and make him go back to bed.

The interesting part about the whole thing is that these images of some monster sitting on top of you, must be some kind of genetic memory or something. Otherwise, why would my six year old who has never herd me discuss it before join the ranks of thousands of years if people. Quite interesting.

Well think about it bro. You have been telling us that you have OBE using SP as a tool. That its self is a type of supernatural experiance. I personaly think its possible that there is more to these SP experiances then medical science would have us believe.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:02 PM

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Well think about it bro. You have been telling us that you have OBE using SP as a tool. That its self is a type of supernatural experiance. I personaly think its possible that there is more to these SP experiances then medical science would have us believe.
Yes.... But that dosnt mean that it is what it apears to be.  This world and that world are tied together. Different parts of the same iceburg. Nothing is actually sitting on anyone's chest in a physical sense. We are spirits inhabiting an animal body creative and fearful. This experience is a barrier not an attack. No I don't think medical science has a clue.... But we mustn't throw away possible explanations based on biases otherwise we are no better. Beside genetic memorys are not msinstream science either. It's just a possibility. I try to keep one foot in each world glancing over the line for what's most useful at any particular moment. This alowes me to help the demon believer to shed their demons, and the non spiritual to understand what's happening to them within their own context. Some consider my approach contradictory but I don't mind. I am concerned with being effective, and I know peoples beliefs are unlikely to change. I have my own beliefs, but like my angles/spirit guides have taught me by example, I can also be helpful within another's context.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:08 PM

Yea, to me, its a complete mystery. Did I ever tell you my SP story? I have read hundreds of them, and havent found one like it. The more I think about how it went down, the less im convinced that it can be explained "scientificaly". I had a semi typical SP, followed by, while standing on my feet, what some would call AP, or maybe a lucid dream. And I have yet to hear any proffesional say that what I experianced was possible.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:14 PM

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Yea, to me, its a complete mystery. Did I ever tell you my SP story? I have read hundreds of them, and havent found one like it. The more I think about how it went down, the less im convinced that it can be explained "scientificaly". I had a semi typical SP, followed by, while standing on my feet, what some would call AP, or maybe a lucid dream. And I have yet to hear any proffesional say that what I experianced was possible.
I'm not sure if you ever have or not, I hear so many these days. I'd love to hear it.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:52 AM

Its the middle of the night. I wake up with this horrible feeling. I look down at the foot of my bed, and there is this black cloud like figure pacing back and forth. I knew instantly that this thing was angry with me. I could sence his great power, and hatred tward me. I became terrified. So I pull the cover over my head (like a ostrage(sp?) sticking his head in the sand) I say to myself, whatever you do, do not move. Thats when I felt a paralyzed sensation. Now at the time I thought I was paralized from just fear. Like many of the SP stories, I cant stress enough how potant the fear was. Next thing I know I feel like it has left my room. Somehow I knew, or felt that it was going to go into my sons room. He was like 5 years old at the time. My parental instincts kick in, and I jump outta bed, and move quickly to my bed room door that was already open. And I can see my sons door from my bed doorway. I saw the black cloud go through my sons closed bedroom door. Again I instantly become paralized in fear. Its like watching your kid get attacked by 10 full grown lions, no matter how hard I try, I just cant move. So out of desperation I start to pray. Im like 3 seconds into my prayer, when right in front of me I see a really big spark come off the floor. That spark turns into a flame. Keeping a perfect circle it begins to expand. Next thing I know I am floating above my house. I watch as the circle of fire, spreads well beyond my property limits. Then BAM Im right back in my bedroom doorway. Everything is calm again. And this peaceful feeling just seemed to engulf everything. So from where Im standing in my doorway, I go into my sons room to check on him, then I go back to bed. Accept I cant lay down, cause the spot I was laying in is drentched in sweat. I had to go and get some towels from the bathroom just so I could lay down again.

Nothing like that has ever happened before, or after.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

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Its the middle of the night. I wake up with this horrible feeling. I look down at the foot of my bed, and there is this black cloud like figure pacing back and forth. I knew instantly that this thing was angry with me. I could sence his great power, and hatred tward me. I became terrified. So I pull the cover over my head (like a ostrage(sp?) sticking his head in the sand) I say to myself, whatever you do, do not move. Thats when I felt a paralyzed sensation. Now at the time I thought I was paralized from just fear. Like many of the SP stories, I cant stress enough how potant the fear was. Next thing I know I feel like it has left my room. Somehow I knew, or felt that it was going to go into my sons room. He was like 5 years old at the time. My parental instincts kick in, and I jump outta bed, and move quickly to my bed room door that was already open. And I can see my sons door from my bed doorway. I saw the black cloud go through my sons closed bedroom door. Again I instantly become paralized in fear. Its like watching your kid get attacked by 10 full grown lions, no matter how hard I try, I just cant move. So out of desperation I start to pray. Im like 3 seconds into my prayer, when right in front of me I see a really big spark come off the floor. That spark turns into a flame. Keeping a perfect circle it begins to expand. Next thing I know I am floating above my house. I watch as the circle of fire, spreads well beyond my property limits. Then BAM Im right back in my bedroom doorway. Everything is calm again. And this peaceful feeling just seemed to engulf everything. So from where Im standing in my doorway, I go into my sons room to check on him, then I go back to bed. Accept I cant lay down, cause the spot I was laying in is drentched in sweat. I had to go and get some towels from the bathroom just so I could lay down again.

Nothing like that has ever happened before, or after.
Wow!!! You even went to the next stage. You forced an OBE by jumping out of body with focused intent ( protecting your child). Nice.  I actually explain to people this is exactly what they should do.

The black cloud is well documented, but please believe me when I say once you understand  altered states you can actually control the cloud. The fear and the presence is your own despite how sinister it feels. It is apart of you.

Quit a while ago I jumped out of body and charged into my sons room ready to do battle with whatever ws causing  his night terrors only to find a beautiful Angle standing over him. She described what was happening to him so that I could relax.Quite a revelation for me.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 08:03 PM

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Wow!!! You even went to the next stage. You forced an OBE by jumping out of body with focused intent ( protecting your child). Nice.  I actually explain to people this is exactly what they should do.

This is the most confusing part to me. Im not sure what really happened. Mostly cause when it seemed to be over, I was standing in my door way. If I did have a OBE it happened while I was standing up and out of bed. I remember very well walking from there to my sons room, then walking back to my bed, discovering my half of the bed was to wet with sweat to lay back down on. Then went to the bathroom to get towels to lay down on.

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The black cloud is well documented, but please believe me when I say once you understand  altered states you can actually control the cloud. The fear and the presence is your own despite how sinister it feels. It is apart of you.

Well im no expert on this subject, not by a long shot. I do believe the bible though when it says we do not fight against flesh and blood, that our fight is always on a spiritual level against dark powers in high places. When I called on his name in the middle of probably the greatest fear I ever had to face, assuming of course that it wasnt all a dream (which im pretty sure it wasnt), and I then saw the expanding flame, which brought peace to the situation. I cant help but to believe that it probably was as I saw it. That there actualy was a presents that intended to harm me, and my family, and that God stepped in and removed it. At least that was the strong impression the situation left me with. Lets say for a second that that is possible. That a demon can reveil himself to someone in such a way. Then lets say you are able to find peace with that, and no longer show fear tward such a creature. I believe his goal at that point would be to decieve you. Maybe even make you believe you can control it. Not saying im right about that, cause I really have no idea. But it is something to consider.

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Quit a while ago I jumped out of body and charged into my sons room ready to do battle with whatever ws causing  his night terrors only to find a beautiful Angle standing over him. She described what was happening to him so that I could relax.Quite a revelation for me.

Wow. What an experiance that must have been. Did you believe that that angel was real? Or was it like the black cloud, where you believe it wasnt exactly what your eyes were telling you ? If you did believe it was a real angel, standing over your son to protect him (the very thought sends chils down my back, in a good way) what makes you believe that? Im honestly just trying to understand. Looking forward to your reply.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:47 AM

Well my friend, I have given up arguing with the faithful about shadow... It can't seen to be polite and im just tired of explaining it unless I think  it can help Somone.

However, generally most agree with me about angles...so that is much more fun to discuss. Yes... I am certain of her existence, because I met her in real life.

Probably about 6 years ago I got into an argument with my wife and her twin sister ( she was living with us at the time). I had come home from work late and I was tired and I guess I did not greet their mother properly when she was there to visit.... Something like "hey what's up" then onto the the shower. I used to run hundreds of children through my program at any given night and it is exhausting. my frame of mind during those times after dealing with kids and particularly  their parents was pretty singular.

I ment no disrespect but that is not they way they took it. You have not been chewed out at all until you have two small fiesty philipina identicle twin sisters simultaneously tearing you apart  for disrespecting their mother.

Anyway. I would not back down, because I ment no disrespect I just had 10,000 things on my mind, so it erupted into a horrendous fight. I just left the house evenchually. If you saw me then you would swear there was steam and flames comeing out of my ears. I decided to take a drive into the mountains to let nature sooth me, but I was very very emotional. I stopped by a drive through to get a burger. ( in and out ), and the strangest thing happened. There was a pretty severe storm on, but I didn't care, I was going to drive all nigh in the mountains and maby crash in my truck somewhere, but in the drive through this incredibly text book angelic young woman upon handing my credit card or receipt grabed my hand as I pulled away she would not let go. She held me there both of her hands around mine. I made I contact with her..., seriously some kind of light behind her blond hair and everything. You could not get more stereo typical. She just held me there looking in my eyes concerned and loveing. She held my hand for probably about 10-15 seconds. It felt like forever. Then she let go with a smile. Everything in me melted away at that moment. I was completely relieved of the rage that was still in me. I went home that night, my wife and her sister were severely apologetic when I got home. To this day I think if I had went in that drive something would have happened.

Fast forward. My son has been haveing night terrors, I had been wrestling with spiritual forces and my anima. I had learned to combat these things out of body. When I thought something might be After my son, I leaped out of body ready to defend him. OOB now, I burst into his room only to see her there watching over him. She looked at me like a child. Then in a quit clear easy to understand voice she explained to me that all children go through this. It's part of the human brain programming itself to run or fight with preditors... It's a bit like practice. It was my fault that he was awakening in these states because of my late schedule. He was always waiting up for me to get home. This is a standard stage in 3-5 year olds.

I was completely amazed. I don't think some scientists even  know why kids have night terrors, but here I am being instructed by an angle. How awesome!!!!!!!!

That was not the last time I have seen her. I have visited her many times ( though not physically like when I met her first) and can call on her when I want to ask questions. I love seeing her. She is so incredible and a constant reminder to me that there must be some sort of dvine order. Just last week something totally unlikely happend that probably saved my hide.

Anyway that's my angel story.

Edited by Seeker79, 10 February 2013 - 06:51 AM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:56 AM

View PostSeeker79, on 10 February 2013 - 06:47 AM, said:

Well my friend, I have given up arguing with the faithful about shadow... It can't seen to be polite and im just tired of explaining it unless I think  it can help Somone.


Oh bro, I have no intention of arguing with you. I for damn sure would not let this conversation be anything but polite on my end. Im more then curious as to what you think Mr Black really is. You seem to know alot about this subject. And even if it ends up I cant agree, I will have nothing but respect for your opinion. I see that many people have been tormented by this thing. Some to the point where they have little quality of life because of the attacks. Im just happy my experiance was quickly led to a solution, even if Mr Black, or my solution wasnt real.

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However, generally most agree with me about angles...so that is much more fun to discuss. Yes... I am certain of her existence, because I met her in real life.

Probably about 6 years ago I got into an argument with my wife and her twin sister ( she was living with us at the time). I had come home from work late and I was tired and I guess I did not greet their mother properly when she was there to visit.... Something like "hey what's up" then onto the the shower. I used to run hundreds of children through my program at any given night and it is exhausting. my frame of mind during those times after dealing with kids and particularly  their parents was pretty singular.

I ment no disrespect but that is not they way they took it. You have not been chewed out at all until you have two small fiesty philipina identicle twin sisters simultaneously tearing you apart  for disrespecting their mother.

Anyway. I would not back down, because I ment no disrespect I just had 10,000 things on my mind, so it erupted into a horrendous fight. I just left the house evenchually. If you saw me then you would swear there was steam and flames comeing out of my ears. I decided to take a drive into the mountains to let nature sooth me, but I was very very emotional. I stopped by a drive through to get a burger. ( in and out ), and the strangest thing happened. There was a pretty severe storm on, but I didn't care, I was going to drive all nigh in the mountains and maby crash in my truck somewhere, but in the drive through this incredibly text book angelic young woman upon handing my credit card or receipt grabed my hand as I pulled away she would not let go. She held me there both of her hands around mine. I made I contact with her..., seriously some kind of light behind her blond hair and everything. You could not get more stereo typical. She just held me there looking in my eyes concerned and loveing. She held my hand for probably about 10-15 seconds. It felt like forever. Then she let go with a smile. Everything in me melted away at that moment. I was completely relieved of the rage that was still in me. I went home that night, my wife and her sister were severely apologetic when I got home. To this day I think if I had went in that drive something would have happened.


Wow, that is an amazing story. I normaly have trouble believeing people when they say things like this, but for some reason I dont doubt you at all. I certainly believe in the existance of angels. Even the bible says that they are among us.


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Fast forward. My son has been haveing night terrors, I had been wrestling with spiritual forces and my anima. I had learned to combat these things out of body. When I thought something might be After my son, I leaped out of body ready to defend him. OOB now, I burst into his room only to see her there watching over him. She looked at me like a child. Then in a quit clear easy to understand voice she explained to me that all children go through this. It's part of the human brain programming itself to run or fight with preditors... It's a bit like practice. It was my fault that he was awakening in these states because of my late schedule. He was always waiting up for me to get home. This is a standard stage in 3-5 year olds.

I was completely amazed. I don't think some scientists even  know why kids have night terrors, but here I am being instructed by an angle. How awesome!!!!!!!!

That was not the last time I have seen her. I have visited her many times ( though not physically like when I met her first) and can call on her when I want to ask questions. I love seeing her. She is so incredible and a constant reminder to me that there must be some sort of dvine order. Just last week something totally unlikely happend that probably saved my hide.

Anyway that's my angel story.

What do you mean when you say "I had been wrestling with spiritual forces and my anima"? Im very curious to know what you mean by that. Id also like to know what other conversations you have had with the angel. I would probably drive her crazy with the list of questions Id have for her. LOL. It must give you great comfort to know such a presents is protecting your child. A angel standing by. I havent had much experiance with AP. Heck I have only had one SP experiance in my life. How would one go about begining to learn to how to AP? Is it something the average Joe can eventualy master? Now that I have had a small taste, Id definitly be interested in trying to make it happen again, and find a way to control it.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:01 PM

Hahahahaha yeah who mets an angle on in a drive through while getting a double double with cheese.

Spiritual forces and anima.

I was going through something at the time that has been come to be known as a shamanic crisis.  My altered state tendencies and a certain kind of lifestyle I had chosen for myself kicked it off. I'll link some material instead of trying to explain it. Just some different sources to get a good feel for what it is about


http://www.spiritual...s-shamanic.html

http://www.positived...Halifax1990.pdf


http://www.katinkahe.../shamanism.html


The anima is that part of yourself that is still an animal. You are both animal flesh and spirit. The spirit is that part if us that is made in the image of god and thus is imbuded with creativity, the animal is an evolved creature constantly looking for predictors to run from or fight. The two concepts  don't mix well together, and it's an age old struggle for the spirit to rise above the animal. Of course this gives birth all our demon myths. After all, if you are not aware of your creative power while your animal is running amok, you will create all manner of demons and devils which indeed peolple do.

Learning to exist as both in altered states is a tricky time with a steep learning curve. But you can't really learn until you stop creating hell.

Of course this is just from experience and opinion.

The shadow is a manifestation of the goggles of fear that we ware. We cannot see the good in anything until we take them off. Hence we have a world full of apocalyptic religions, and 10 times more 'demons' than angles. It's a struggle to shed your demons, and ultimately they will always be there, it's just your choice to cage them or not.

The journey and altered states often puts us face to face with our shadow, we must deal with it to be free. The Buddha did it, Christ did it, and it's a standard struggle through history for shaman.

If you are interested my tutorial is here and you can follow the discussion. :)

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Edited by Seeker79, 10 February 2013 - 08:05 PM.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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    Clyde P. Fesmire, PhD

Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:15 AM

Phenomenologically: I am a 54-year-old male in good health and have experienced a similar state as described since my late teens. Episodes occur about 4 times per year and are almost identical. I sense I am emerging from sleep, but can't fully awaken; I attempt to move, but I experience absolute paralysis with no pain--only panic. There is no sensation of pressure on my chest (or anywhere else); only the inability to breathe. I can't speak, and feel as if I am trying to force air--and a scream--from non-functioning (or non-existent) lungs. Eventually (minutes? seconds?) I force a gasp or moan, awakening into a state of confusion, panic and terror. Although there is no pain, there is a residual sense of pressure or dullness (!) at the base of my skull that lasts for a few minutes. Various M.D.s have diagnosed this as "sleep terrors," "night terrors" or "psychogenic fugue." To me, without exaggeration, it feels as if I am about to die or to be dragged into another dimension, although I've never knowingly experienced either of those. Bottom line: Damned frightening!

[previously incarnate as 'szentgyorgy']

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