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What's Taking E.T. So Long to Find Us?


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#136    bouncer

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 04:33 AM

short vid:



plus check this site out for the connection made above

http://bibleufo.com/

just have a quick browse!!  That site puts it all together very well

Edited by bouncer, 20 February 2012 - 04:37 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2012 - 07:04 AM

View PostLilly, on 19 February 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

People assume that ET will have evolved in a pattern similar to humans and look like humans.

Lilly,

That recent discussion has been quite detailed and based on Evolution and the simple fact that almost no other animal has a body type that could lend itself to technological civilization, but you excused yourself from that discussion simply because one of the leading authorities who makes a great argument based on Evolution happens to also be a Christian in his private life.

Also the argument isn't that Aliens would "look like Humans"! They would look like 'Aliens' to us, the argument has been that a technological species would likely be bi-pedal giving them two free limbs to carry and manipulate objects which nessicarily would make them 'resemble' bi-pedal Hominids.


View PostLilly, on 19 February 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Seems like a great deal of assumptions if you ask me.

Maybe so, but again I'd point out that assumptions are not automatically untrue. When hypotheses are based on what we do know and on logic, what is the alternative? An argument from ignorance! We don't/can't know so 'Aliens' that achieve technological civilization MUST be different. I'll take the former argument over the latter any day.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 09:10 AM

I think they found us, they just don't like what they found.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 09:46 AM

View PostHitman, on 20 February 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

I think they found us, they just don't like what they found.

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and I still prefer to believe in the possibility of the religous aspect...all religions, speak of supreme beings coming from the skies, and going back there too

why is that? Its the ultimate ET encounter, EVER...and well documented...yet I guess the 'tag' religion just puts people off even looking into it... but its all there, powerful beings, magical powers (technology).. flying craft... the whole 9 yards! But people still prefer to believe otherwise....yet still keep on searching the myriads of dubious ufo stories and blurfo media clips!

Edited by bouncer, 20 February 2012 - 09:50 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:59 AM

View Postlost_shaman, on 20 February 2012 - 07:04 AM, said:

Also the argument isn't that Aliens would "look like Humans"! They would look like 'Aliens' to us, the argument has been that a technological species would likely be bi-pedal giving them two free limbs to carry and manipulate objects which nessicarily would make them 'resemble' bi-pedal Hominids.

My reference (on this thread) was to this belief.

I have left the other conversation as I don't think anyone can positively predict what ET will look like (my opinion).

Edited by Lilly, 20 February 2012 - 12:27 PM.
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"Ignorance is ignorance. It is a state of mind, not an opinion." ~MID~

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:21 PM

View PostHarte, on 20 February 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:

Should have said "...if he exists, if he's been technologically advanced enough for a couple hundred thousand years and if he cared to ever start looking for us..."

Harte

And to add to that, "..if technologically advanced enough and generation ships/wormholes/breaking the light speed barrier are actually feasible."

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:23 PM

View PostHarte, on 19 February 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

It came in my mailbox with mine Badeskov.

I send it to through the usual disinfo courier - mainstream science.

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Typical for those admin types to bungle it up Posted Image

But thank you very much for your diligence in this matter and I appreciate the the use of courier - the only trustworthy there is Posted Image

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 03:51 PM

But his equation says this, essentially :

1. Aliens must be willing to travel between stars
2. They must be within 5 light years of us
3. They must have come directly here

Space is pretty darn big. There is every possibility that intelligent life exists 10 or more light years from us... and that it decided to either stay home or strike out exploring in an opposite direction from Earth. I mean, we might think we are pretty obvious and all, but to be honest Earth and human life is not even a spec of a dust particle in the scale of the universe. We aren't even as recognizable as the who's that Horton heard.

I will also mention something else. A spacefaring civilization is gonna be pretty darn advanced. They would look at us as if we were ants. And do you wander around looking for anthills and then bending over and trying to strike up a conversation with them?


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Posted 20 February 2012 - 04:04 PM

View PostWookietim, on 20 February 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

But his equation says this, essentially :

1. Aliens must be willing to travel between stars
2. They must be within 5 light years of us
3. They must have come directly here


4. They want to make direct contact with us, or be very conspicuous about their researches, like doing something foolish like landing on the White House Lawn.  How do we (in our modest endeavours so far) investigate other Planets? With robotic probes, which are small and discreet, don't we. Admittedly, that may be out of necessity, since it's a lot easier to construct a robotic Probe than a manned spaceship; but a probe from an advanced Alien civilisation could be minute in size and, with AI, able to decide for itself what to do and what is and what's not interesting. And it would probably not want to make Contact with the subject of its studies; that wouldn't be scientific. So i don't know why people (at least, Skeptical people) always seem to assume that any ET craft would have to be a manned craft that would insist, the first thing it does, on being Taken to our Leaders. And if (from what they've concluded from the available evidence) that doesn't seem to have happened, then they conclude that ET is not Out There.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 09:26 PM

View Postbouncer, on 20 February 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

and I still prefer to believe in the possibility of the religous aspect...all religions, speak of supreme beings coming from the skies, and going back there too

why is that? Its the ultimate ET encounter, EVER...and well documented...yet I guess the 'tag' religion just puts people off even looking into it... but its all there, powerful beings, magical powers (technology).. flying craft... the whole 9 yards! But people still prefer to believe otherwise....yet still keep on searching the myriads of dubious ufo stories and blurfo media clips!

   I think it's mainly due to people seeing flight as something magical rather than a science. There is no real evidence that any ancient cultures encountered extraterrestrial beings. Sure they may write stories about it on the wall but there is no way to tell if they're facts or fables.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 09:33 PM

Who said that ET exist, ETs are human concept. Its a faith. As Hegel said time and religion are human concept, same thing preaches Budism.
They refused to believe. They only support meditation. Sorry if I  gotten too far Im little drunk.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 09:34 PM

View PostHitman, on 20 February 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

I think it's mainly due to people seeing flight as something magical rather than a science. There is no real evidence that any ancient cultures encountered extraterrestrial beings. Sure they may write stories about it on the wall but there is no way to tell if they're facts or fables.

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hhmmm, but the sheer 'concept' of the biblical stories? Powerful beings coming down....all kinds of stuff, Ezekiels wheels for ex, and if you had a quick browse of that site link I posted, it may get you curious, tell you what, go here and read what the first few links are about :

http://bibleufo.com/

and considering these 'stories' are from thousands of years ago, just where did they get their notions!...They didnt have a tv to put such images in their heads, now did they? Nor tales of roswel, the biblical accounts are the FIRST and most detailed accounts...

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 03:08 AM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 19 February 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

The Fermi Paradox
In other words, they should be out there, but where are they? Below are some possible reasons for this lack of contact or observation.
Some possible techniques for ET's to explore the galaxy:
Possible reasons why we haven't been contacted:
Few, if any, other civilizations currently exist
No other civilizations have arisen
It is the nature of intelligent life to destroy itself
It is the nature of intelligent life to destroy others
Life is periodically destroyed by naturally occurring events
Human beings were created alone
Inflation theory and the Youngness Argument
The universe is too young for other ET's to have evolved.
They do exist, but we see no evidence
Communication is impossible due to problems of scale
Intelligent civilizations are too far apart in space or time
It is too expensive to spread physically throughout the galaxy
Human beings have not been searching long enough
Communication is impossible for technical reasons
Humans are not listening properly
Civilizations only broadcast detectable radio signals for a brief period of time
They tend to experience a technological singularity
They are too alien
They are non-technological
The evidence is being suppressed
They choose not to interact with us
Earth is purposely not contacted (The zoo hypothesis)
Earth is purposely isolated (planetarium hypothesis)
It is dangerous to communicate
The Fermi paradox itself is what prevents communication
They are here unobserved
http://en.wikipedia....i/Fermi_paradox
And why would they want to contact hostile humans (I wouldn't) when they could enjoy whales and dolphins!


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 03:38 AM

The answer my friends is blowing in the wind and its 42 as always and forever ! :tu:
On top of that E.T will miss us ever time,have you ever looked out the window at Warp 20 ? Were just a fuzzy red blur as they zip off to Milliyways ! :lol:

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:10 AM

Would you as an advanced species simply land on the lawn of the Whitehouse and declare you aren't alone in the galaxy?
That might be one scenario, where you walk in with the President and discuss future advancements for mankind by giving knowledge,
or, you might be held at gunpoint, whisked away, forever interogated, your ship confiscated etc..

I'd choose option 3. Stay away.





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