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#1    Gabriel Traveler

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:53 AM

Massive bombardments of energy hitting our solar system may be the real cause for erratic sun behavior, increased solar flares, increase in earthquakes & volcanic activity, increase in intensity of the aurora borealis, birds dying and getting off course, satellites falling out of the sky, increase in comets and asteroids, the north pole moving rapidly into Siberia, strange sounds, and other weird **** going on around the world...




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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:04 AM

View PostGabriel Traveler, on 04 February 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

Massive bombardments of energy hitting our solar system may be the real cause for erratic sun behavior, increased solar flares, increase in earthquakes & volcanic activity, increase in intensity of the aurora borealis, birds dying and getting off course, satellites falling out of the sky, increase in comets and asteroids, the north pole moving rapidly into Siberia, strange sounds, and other weird **** going on around the world...
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Despite that extremely profeshunal-looking-video's first frame, I've decided to pass on looking at it.

Why?  Because the text introducing it is incorrect and entirely UNsupported.

We do not have 'erratic' sun behavior or increased solar flares - we simply do not fully understand the Sun's behavior and cycles, and of course can now watch and measure the activity far better than ever before, so more people become aware of it.  OP, tell us, when were the BIGGEST ever flares experienced by Earth?  Lately?  (Hint - NO.)

We also do not have any increase in earthquakes & volcanic activity - indeed, OP, please CITE your evidence for this, from a proper source.

We do not have any increase in intensity of the aurora borealis.

There are numerous citations of birds 'dying and getting off course' in history.

NO satellites have fallen out of the sky for any unexplained reason.

There is no increase in comets and asteroids.

The North Pole has always been wandering and will continue to do so.


If you claim otherwise to any of those - WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?

All we have here is the sadly common mistake where people believe that 'stuff' is happening more often simply because the media covers everything in such excruciating detail and it is constantly in our faces (even more constantly if you hang around doomsday and crackpot websites).  The sad part is that rather than properly INVESTIGATE and RESEARCH and then if a genuine effect is there cite exactly what is happening and the evidence (eg numbers, CHECKABLE statistics) for that, people would much rather just post these wild "The Sky Is Falling" claims.

Sorry, Henny Penny.  Try again.  Next time with evidence in your introduction instead of the handwaving, and you might get a few more hits on your video..

Edited by Chrlzs, 04 February 2012 - 09:26 AM.

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 06:55 PM

No, it is not "entirely unsupported". Links are below the video, including to the lecture that I was summarizing, which provides much more evidence in 3 hours than what I present in a few minutes. I'm not claiming to be a scientist or astronomer, but bringing attention to someone else's lecture that I found fascinating, and information-packed.

First, the sun rises two days early in Greenland. The official explanation is that this was caused by the melting of polar ice caps. Huh?! Okay, let's give that to them and say it's true. Something very strange is indeed going on then, when the sun rises earlier because of that much ice melting. That is incredibly alarming even if you buy the official explanation. But the explanation seems pretty fishy to me. Either way, I would call that evidence of something strange afoot.

Snowy owls migrating south from Canada. Again, link below the video.

"Bird enthusiasts are reporting rising numbers of snowy owls from the Arctic winging into the lower 48 states this winter in a mass southern migration that a leading owl researcher called "unbelievable.""

So, when a leading owl researcher says that this case of migrating owls is "unbelievable", that isn't evidence of something strange going on?

I didn't say that the sun was having its strongest solar flares, so that's a straw man argument. I said that it was behaving erratically. Funny, someone from NASA said the same thing:

"“Lately, the Sun has been behaving a bit strangely,” declare Lika Guhathakurtha (NASA) and Dan Baker (U. Colorado) on the opinions page of yesterday’s New York Times."

Again, look for the link below the video.

No strange satellite behavior? Galaxy 15 may not have fallen out of the sky, however, according to Wikipedia:

"In April 2010, Intelsat lost control of the satellite, and it began to drift away from its orbital slot, with the potential to cause disruption to other satellites in its path.
On 27 December 2010, Intelsat reported that the satellite had rebooted as per design and the command unit was responding to commands again."

They lost control of it for 8 months. I think that's what you call "going rogue".

The UARS satellite fell out of the sky in September. Link below the video.

"Defying predictions one last time, NASA's doomed UARS satellite dove through Earth's atmosphere late last night over the North Pacific Ocean, off the U.S. West Coast, the space agency says."

I'm pretty sure there were others, will continue looking around and post any links below the video.

Earthquakes. Link is below the video to the USGS website.

Number of 6.0-6.9...

2009: 144
2010: 149
2011: 185

Number of 5.0-5.9...

2009: 1896
2010: 2025
2011: 2279

Number of 4.0-4.9...

2009: 6805
2010: 10345
2011: 13270

Proof that the world is ending? No. A steady trend of increasing earthquake activity over the past three years? Not sure what else you would call it.

Professional-looking video? No, you got me there. Evidence citing strange things going on around the planet? I'll stand by that until you debunk things a little better.

Edited by Gabriel Traveler, 04 February 2012 - 07:22 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:07 PM

"“SUNDIVING COMET STORM: 2010 ended with an unprecedented flurry of small comets diving into the Sun. Researchers say this could herald a much larger comet still to come.” -Space Weather.  More than 7 comets collided with the Sun in 2010 and the number will see a notable increase in 2011.  The Solar System is moving into a denser region of space especially as our star system eclipses the galactic plane.  Dark comets, interplanetary comets and large unknown asteriods could strike Earth with little or almost no warning.  UK scientisists Professor Bill Napier, from the University of Cardiff,  and fellow astronomer Dr David Asher, from Armagh Observatory in Northern Ireland told New Scientist magazine: Thousands of invisible “dark” comets may be posing an unseen threat to Earth and that that many “periodic” comets which take less than 200 years to complete an orbit of the Sun may be “dark“."

Notice the line "more than 7 comets collided with the sun in 2010". And yet, according to Susan Rennison, *25* comets collided with the sun in one 10-day period in 2011! I haven't found confirmation of that yet but will look around and if I find it, post below the video. I'll also post a link below the video to the above quote.


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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

Actually it was December, 2010:

http://www.space.com...omet-storm.html

""The storm began on Dec. 13th and ended on the 22nd," Karl Battams of the Naval Research Lab in Washington, D.C., said in a statement. "During that time, the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) detected 25 comets diving into the sun. It was crazy!""


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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:20 PM

Presentation concluding that there has been a steady increase in solar storms over the past 139 years:

http://www.nas.org.a...ng Stronger.pdf

• Aa (aa) has increased linearly over past 139
years.
• There is a strong correlation between aa and
sunspot count as aa closely follows the 11 year
solar cycle. There is also a 100 year sunspot
cycle.
• There appears to be an increase in the
intensity of magnetic storms based on the
increasing trend in Aa data. Individual storms,
however, can occur at any time and are not
getting larger.


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Posted 04 February 2012 - 07:39 PM

http://www.cdapress....9c25b0a766.html

"the magnetic north pole is shifting towards Russia at the rather alarming rate of 40 miles a year, a whopping increase of 800 percent from the normal of just 5 miles annually."

Hmmmm, that almost sounds, well, out of the ordinary!


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Posted 04 February 2012 - 10:16 PM

View PostGabriel Traveler, on 04 February 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

No, it is not "entirely unsupported".
And yet your very first point IS UNSUPPORTED.

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Links are below the video, including to the lecture that I was summarizing, which provides much more evidence in 3 hours than what I present in a few minutes.
Perhaps you should re-read your first post.  There are NO links below the video in your first post.  If you are making claims HERE, support them HERE.

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I'm not claiming to be a scientist or astronomer
That much is eminently clear.  I'm no neurosurgery expert either - in fact I am exceptionally ignorant on that topic - which is why I don't post ill-researched rubbish on neurosurgery forums.

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.. but bringing attention to someone else's lecture that I found fascinating, and information-packed.
Someone else's?? If you are not 'Gabriel', why did you use that name?  It seems extremely misleading at best...

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First, the sun rises two days early in Greenland.
Absolute DRIVEL.  If the sun was out of place in Greenland, umm, don't you think that it might be out of place... elsewhere on our planet?  Or are you in an alternative universe?  Do you realise how many independent ways there are to measure where the Sun is, and how many people and systems rely absolutely on its position?  Ya don't think millions of people around the world might just notice that sunrise/set times are out, for a start?  Seriously, if you don't get this, I think you are at the wrong place.

And that is the first point you raise, without any citation whatsoever?

Thanks for proving my point, and I will read no further.  You are wasting this forum's time, and it looks an awful lot like spam.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 03:30 AM

BTW, as the old 'earthquakes-are-increasing' myth has been dragged out AGAIN, I should point out a couple of USGS pages.  USGS are of course the people who PROVIDE the data being flogged by the doomsdayers.

From USGS earthquake statistics summary

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As more and more seismographs are installed in the world, more earthquakes can be and have been located. However, the number of large earthquakes (magnitude 6.0 and greater) has stayed relatively constant.
and from USGS - Are earthquakes really on the increase?

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Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.  A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications. In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more than 8,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by electronic mail, internet and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate earthquakes more rapidly and to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years.
Could it be any more clear?  Isn't it strange how our intrepid poster didn't quote ANY of THAT stuff - I think it's pretty obvious why.  Yes, it's all part of a 'coverup', except the coverup and the deliberate falsification is on the part of the doomsday pushers.

Was the omission of the above information laziness, ignorance or deliberate misinformation?  It certainly wasn't research.

{Not-}Gabriel, why didn't you mention any of that?

I've wasted enough time on this - if anyone else finds any of the information being pushed here in any way scary or convincing, do let me know and I'll show you in full detail what else is being misrepresented.

Edited by Chrlzs, 05 February 2012 - 03:34 AM.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 05:25 AM

View PostChrlzs, on 05 February 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

BTW, as the old 'earthquakes-are-increasing' myth has been dragged out AGAIN, I should point out a couple of USGS pages.  USGS are of course the people who PROVIDE the data being flogged by the doomsdayers.

From USGS earthquake statistics summary

and from USGS - Are earthquakes really on the increase?

Could it be any more clear?  Isn't it strange how our intrepid poster didn't quote ANY of THAT stuff - I think it's pretty obvious why.  Yes, it's all part of a 'coverup', except the coverup and the deliberate falsification is on the part of the doomsday pushers.

Was the omission of the above information laziness, ignorance or deliberate misinformation?  It certainly wasn't research.

{Not-}Gabriel, why didn't you mention any of that?

I've wasted enough time on this - if anyone else finds any of the information being pushed here in any way scary or convincing, do let me know and I'll show you in full detail what else is being misrepresented.

I dont find anything scary.   Just another post trying in vain to make us believe something is about to happen.   Ok, I lie, I do find something scary. I find it scary that there are people out there who actually believe this :)


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:17 AM

View PostChrlzs, on 04 February 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

And yet your very first point IS UNSUPPORTED.


Perhaps you should re-read your first post.  There are NO links below the video in your first post.  If you are making claims HERE, support them HERE.

-->I attempted to post all of the links that are below the video into a separate reply, but was told "too much media", or something along those lines. In other words, there were too many links. Anyone who is genuinely curious can look under the video on You Tube. It won't kill you to make that effort. Lots of interesting stuff at the very least. And besides, I did provide a whole friggin' boat load of links in my various replies.

That much is eminently clear.  I'm no neurosurgery expert either - in fact I am exceptionally ignorant on that topic - which is why I don't post ill-researched rubbish on neurosurgery forums.

-->That doesn't mean I don't have the right to read the news, peruse the internet, and connect some dots when time and again you start to see legitimate news stories that are describing bizarre stuff taking place.

Someone else's?? If you are not 'Gabriel', why did you use that name?  It seems extremely misleading at best...

-->I understand that you're loathe to give me one more click and watch the video. Yes, I am Gabriel. The video is in part summarizing a 3-hour lecture given by Susan Rennison, that people can watch as a You Tube video. But, most people don't have 3 hours to watch a video. So I read some direct quotes of hers, provide her name, website and a link to the original video, as well as give some of my own commentary. Her lecture hypothesizes that our solar system is currently entering a new region of space that is highly charged and having major effects on our plane, to the sun and throughout the solar system. It's pretty fascinating, and yes, plenty of evidence cited.

Absolute DRIVEL.  If the sun was out of place in Greenland, umm, don't you think that it might be out of place... elsewhere on our planet?  Or are you in an alternative universe?  Do you realise how many independent ways there are to measure where the Sun is, and how many people and systems rely absolutely on its position?  Ya don't think millions of people around the world might just notice that sunrise/set times are out, for a start?  Seriously, if you don't get this, I think you are at the wrong place.

-->So why, then, did the U.K. Independent run the story? And if the official story is true, that it's a result of polar ice caps melting, is that not a massive problem that we need to be very concerned about? Precisely the point of my video, there are big changes afoot that people should be aware of, one of which is global warming and the polar ice caps melting. So honestly, that story supports what I'm saying either way.

And that is the first point you raise, without any citation whatsoever?

-->Here you go: http://www.dailymail...celerating.html

Thanks for proving my point, and I will read no further.  You are wasting this forum's time, and it looks an awful lot like spam.



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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:30 AM

"Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant."

So why exactly do they only say that earthquakes of magnitude of 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant? If they really want to clear things up, why don't the say "earthquake activity overall has remained fairly constant".

I'm perfectly willing to accept that there is no overall rise in earthquakes. Even leaving this out, there is more than enough evidence showing that something strange is in fact going on. How about the 800% increase in the movement of magnetic north? That isn't worth noting to you? But back to the earthquakes, there is in fact evidence that there is a notable rise in activity, factoring in the increased numbers of seismographs. I realize you will probably doubt their findings because it isn't the USGS, but feel free to point out where specifically they got their numbers wrong.:

http://www.earth.webecs.co.uk/

"Trends since 1986

For example, between 1986 and 1996 (incl), a period of 11 years, there were "just" 15 earthquakes listed by USGS of magnitude 7.0 or greater. This is not markedly different (albeit a slight decrease) from previous (similar periods) of 20th century, where an average of about 18 might be expected.

But between 1997 and 2007 (incl), a period of only 11 years, there were 99 earthquakes with magnitude 7.0 or greater : This is more than a six-fold increase on the previous similar period - and is a stark increase on any earlier decades in 20th century too."

Speaking of cherry picking, you don't seem too interested in even touching on any of the other evidence I cited, while simultaneously asserting that I'm not citing any evidence. Interesting!


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:33 AM

View PostEnglishgent, on 05 February 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

I dont find anything scary.   Just another post trying in vain to make us believe something is about to happen.   Ok, I lie, I do find something scary. I find it scary that there are people out there who actually believe this :)

Feel free to actually further the discussion by addressing the evidence cited, rather than simply making smart-ass comments! :)


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 06:45 AM

Since the system won't allow me to provide all of the links because it says it's "too much media", here is the list of strange things occurring around the world that is posted below the You Tube video itself, minus the links...So if this isn't "cited evidence", what else would do it for you?


Change in magnetic north pole has airport scrambling:

Magnetic north moving at alarming rate:

Magnetic north moving into Siberia at the rate of 40 miles yer year:

Erratic sun behavior:

Presentation concluding that there has been a steady increase in solar storms over the past 139 years:

The sun rises two days early in Greenland:

Solar system approaching a denser region of space:

25 comets hit the sun in 10 days in December, 2010:

Weird clouds, some amazing images:

USDA outlines new growing regions/North pole moving (more evidence of global warming, whether or not it's caused by humans):

Excellent article discussing the problems with current global warming conclusions:

NASA satellite falls to Earth:

Galaxy 15 satellite, which went rogue for 8 months in 2011:

Earthquakes chart for 2000-2012 (notice an increase over the past several years):

600% rise in large earthquakes since 1997:

Snowy owls migrating southwards:

Strange sounds. I didn't include this as one of the bizarre things taking place, because it's a fairly recent phenomenon and not clear if the videos out there are even real. Despite the skepticism that they may be hoaxes (and some of the videos no doubt are) several accounts sound pretty authentic, including the recent event in Saskatoon in which the mayor's office was apparently flooded with calls from residents who heard the sound. Here's one girl's video recording of it:


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 07:22 AM

View PostGabriel Traveler, on 05 February 2012 - 06:33 AM, said:

Feel free to actually further the discussion by addressing the evidence cited, rather than simply making smart-ass comments! :)

I would if there was anything rational to comment on.  :)





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