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#16    angi chiesa

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 06:47 AM

I do not see the Pope as anything good and sincere in his beliefs. However this tale of driving out demons from a couple of men is absurd.. Now tell how many people worldwide have you seen troubled with demons.It is of course pure nonsense and I doubt if the POPE     was involved in the nonsense


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 06:51 AM

I do not se the POPE as anything BUT sincere. Got that sentence wrong   first time.The Pope is for the good of us all. Any religion.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 07:45 AM

View Postangi chiesa, on 06 February 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

I do not se the POPE as anything BUT sincere. Got that sentence wrong   first time.The Pope is for the good of us all. Any religion.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:05 AM

Sure he often speaks out to stop conflicts around the world.Well so what if noone takes any notice.Not even the Irish .


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 10:07 AM

First of all, Hello to the Vatican (we know that you will be reading this at some point), secondly, It is well-known that the Vatican is well informed on matters of the supernatural. Whether we believe it or not makes no difference. If the Pope can help people, then so be it. The Vatican should consider publishing a book on 'How To Exorcise Demons at Home' based on their experience and knowledge - this would be very useful to the world.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 11:11 AM

View PostParacelse, on 06 February 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

you mean the dark side of the force :P

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It's not just their looks that they have in common, that's for sure :devil: .  Seriously though, the whole tale is highly implausible, 2 men making a racket in the vicinity of the Pope would NOT BE IGNORED by the guards, they would be summarily rounded up and thrown into a cell.  Have we forgotten that there has already been an assassination attempt by a nutjob on the previous Pope?  

The vatican denies any such exorcism took place and in this they are to believed - most of the rest of what I hear from them I take with a huge pinch of salt mind you.:w00t:

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:16 PM

View PostStar of the Sea, on 05 February 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

As it happens - the Catholic Church does not court exorcisms. Catholics and non Catholics approach the Church for help. Go to the Royal College of Psychiatrists and look at their Spirituality page and see for yourself that it is true that Clergy are invited to assist in supernatural matters.

that's a relief.

what do you mean Clergy are invited to assist in supernatural matters? So like, individuals can choose to help out with exorcisms?


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 11:16 PM

View PostSAmbag, on 06 February 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

that's a relief.

what do you mean Clergy are invited to assist in supernatural matters? So like, individuals can choose to help out with exorcisms?


There are times when people who under the care of a Mental Health Team are referred to the Clergy. I have been involved with a case a couple of years ago. The NHS in the UK do take into account the Spiritual side of a persons mental health very seriously. Priests have been involved in cases where a patient has been thoroughly checked out by the Mental Health Team and deem the patient to be needing the Church, taking all things into consideration, the patients background, whether they are religious etc and that all other avenues have been explored ie: psychosis, schizophrenia etc and with the patients participation and consent and so on...

Taken from the Royal College of Psychiatrists:


The place of chaplaincy/pastoral care
Times have changed. Hospital chaplaincy now involves clergy and others from many faiths, denominations and humanist organisations. Chaplains (also called spiritual advisors) are increasingly part of the teams that provide care both in and outside hospital.



A modern mental health chaplaincy or pastoral care department should:

  • have access to a sacred space
  • get on well with local clergy and faith communities
  • provide information about local religious groups, their traditions and practices
  • be aware that, sometimes, an individual's engagement with religious beliefs and activities can be unhelpful and even damaging
  • be able to give advice on difficult issues, such as paranormal influences, spirit possession and the ministry of deliverance
  • work closely with the mental health team so that spiritual needs can be recognised and helped
  • make sure that service users and patients know about them.
Also there is a wealth of literature on the website regarding Spirituality and publications from Psychiatrists from around the UK it makes very surprising reading for some! ::innocent:




Publications Archive: Spirituality and Psychiatry Special Interest Group

http://www.rcpsych.a...irituality.aspx
  Go to the Archive section.

Edited by Star of the Sea, 06 February 2012 - 11:18 PM.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 06:32 AM

View PostStar of the Sea, on 06 February 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

There are times when people who under the care of a Mental Health Team are referred to the Clergy. I have been involved with a case a couple of years ago. The NHS in the UK do take into account the Spiritual side of a persons mental health very seriously. Priests have been involved in cases where a patient has been thoroughly checked out by the Mental Health Team and deem the patient to be needing the Church, taking all things into consideration, the patients background, whether they are religious etc and that all other avenues have been explored ie: psychosis, schizophrenia etc and with the patients participation and consent and so on...

Taken from the Royal College of Psychiatrists:


The place of chaplaincy/pastoral care
Times have changed. Hospital chaplaincy now involves clergy and others from many faiths, denominations and humanist organisations. Chaplains (also called spiritual advisors) are increasingly part of the teams that provide care both in and outside hospital.



A modern mental health chaplaincy or pastoral care department should:

  • have access to a sacred space
  • get on well with local clergy and faith communities
  • provide information about local religious groups, their traditions and practices
  • be aware that, sometimes, an individual's engagement with religious beliefs and activities can be unhelpful and even damaging
  • be able to give advice on difficult issues, such as paranormal influences, spirit possession and the ministry of deliverance
  • work closely with the mental health team so that spiritual needs can be recognised and helped
  • make sure that service users and patients know about them.
Also there is a wealth of literature on the website regarding Spirituality and publications from Psychiatrists from around the UK it makes very surprising reading for some! ::innocent:




Publications Archive: Spirituality and Psychiatry Special Interest Group

http://www.rcpsych.a...irituality.aspx
  Go to the Archive section.
Although I believe in holistic medicine, for something like schizophrenia (mind occupied by spirits) I would prefer a more medically fit approach, even a technical approach.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 06:19 PM

View PostParacelse, on 07 February 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

Although I believe in holistic medicine, for something like schizophrenia (mind occupied by spirits) I would prefer a more medically fit approach, even a technical approach.

http://www.scienceda...20203092031.htm


Hi Paraclese.

I agree Paraclese and that is what they do. The Mental Health teams always assess the patients thoroughly for mental health illnesses and  are given the appropriate treatment and medication.  But what they are finding is that if the patient is mentally ill (or not) and the patient comes from a religious/spriritual background it can help the patient and can be very beneficial. They look at the patient as a whole and understand that sometimes religion can be the cause or trigger for mental illness or conversely it can be of assistance in times of need. It is not unheard of, that the mental health team are at a loss to understand to what is going on around a patient who is not mentally ill, 'hearing voices' is more common than people think.

Edited by Star of the Sea, 07 February 2012 - 06:20 PM.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 07:31 PM

View PostStar of the Sea, on 07 February 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

Hi Paraclese.

I agree Paraclese and that is what they do. The Mental Health teams always assess the patients thoroughly for mental health illnesses and  are given the appropriate treatment and medication.  But what they are finding is that if the patient is mentally ill (or not) and the patient comes from a religious/spriritual background it can help the patient and can be very beneficial. They look at the patient as a whole and understand that sometimes religion can be the cause or trigger for mental illness or conversely it can be of assistance in times of need. It is not unheard of, that the mental health team are at a loss to understand to what is going on around a patient who is not mentally ill, 'hearing voices' is more common than people think.
I perfectly aware of the commonality of "hearing voices".  In fact Socrates is known to have his conversation with his "demons" (for the Greeks demons meant spirits and didn't have the evil connotation it has today).  Some other like Cardanus (1501-1576) talked to angels to receive answers to mathematical queries.  So yeah to hear voices seems natural to some without being mentally ill.

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