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[Little Fish]

RaptorBites, on 29 February 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

healthcare does include giving access to contraceptive which helps with the reduction of unesessary population growth.

the issue is bill gates stating his vaccines will reduce population.
vaccines are not contraceptives....well....unless his vaccines are contraceptives.

taking into account all the other evidence, what is the logical conclusion?

Edited by Little Fish, 29 February 2012 - 11:49 PM.

[RaptorBites]

Little Fish, on 29 February 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

the issue is bill gates stating his vaccines will reduce population.
vaccines are not contraceptives....well....unless his vaccines are contraceptives.

taking into account all the other evidence, what is the logical conclusion?

I think where you are mistaken, is where you feel that bill gates plans on reducing population.  I beleive you are mis-interpreting his words.

To me the speach he gave was to assist with reducing population growth.



Note the information the poster used on his uploaded video.

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ERRATUM: To be completely fair and accurate, I should have stated that Gates seeks to reduce the anticipated growth of the human population rather than that he seeks to reduce the current population. I admit that the latter slogan, that is contained in the video, is a bit misleading and I do not want to insinuate that Gates seeks to kill off currently living people. He rather seeks to lower the projected population growth.

As for your statement on vaccines assisting in population decrease, have you skirted around the possibility (and i know this has already been stated before) that in populations that are in higher risk of children not making it adulthood due to diseases are more likely to produce more children in an effort on the continuance of their tribe/name?

Maybe the reason isn't so sinister after all?

[Corp]

Little Fish, on 29 February 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

so corp and raptor are now in agreement with me that improved healthcare does not decrease population growth as mr rockefeller precisely said.

yet mr gates says his vaccines will reduce population.

so taking into account all the other evidence, what is the logical conclusion?

is mr gates as unhinged as Mr turner? or are his vaccines 'special' in some way that they reduce population?

Not really. I agreed that spaming out babies doesn't have anything to do with evolution. As I said earlier today improved health care comes with access to birth control, often a better standard of living, and slowly a cultural change in how families are views. All these factors together result in a decreased population growth, as has been seen across the Western world.


As for the logical conclusion I'd say it would be that Gates either misspoke or there's some additional context missing.

[RaptorBites]

Corp, on 01 March 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

As for the logical conclusion I'd say it would be that Gates either misspoke or there's some additional context missing.

My beleif is that LittleFish may have taken Bill Gate's words out of context.  If you watch the video, he never said anything about reducing the current population but to reduce the rapid growth of population as a whole to save the earth.  2 very different points.

I would like to see more information on how vaccines are dangerous to human beings.  Quite literally, I have not seen one shred of medical evidence that supports any of it.

[Corp]

Well with all meds there's side effects and some people react badly and die from it. Even so vaccines have saved far, far more lives that they've taken.

[Little Fish]

Corp, on 01 March 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

vaccines have saved far, far more lives that they've taken.

if vaccines save lives then they can only increase population. so why does bill gates promote them as a way to reduce population/population growth?

[Little Fish]

RaptorBites, on 01 March 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

I think where you are mistaken, is where you feel that bill gates plans on reducing population.  I beleive you are mis-interpreting his words.

To me the speach he gave was to assist with reducing population growth.

you are just dancing and avoiding the salient point. explain how vaccines reduce population growth?

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populations that are in higher risk of children not making it adulthood due to diseases are more likely to produce more children in an effort on the continuance of their tribe/name?

illogical speculation. if you have 6 children because 4 will die, then you are not increasing the population. you stated the reasons yourself for changes in population level. education, poverty, career women, contraception, economics, labor intensive survival. there are studies that show these things. vaccines have nothing to do with population control unless those vaccines are interfering with fertility.

[Little Fish]

Corp, on 01 March 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

improved health care comes with access to birth control,

in order to give access to condoms and birth control pills, bill gates needs to vaccinate? there's no logic to that.

vaccines have nothing to do with reducing population unless his vaccines reduce fertility or increase mortality, it's that simple. bill gates is saying that vaccines will reduce population so either he's lying (about vaccines just reducing infant mortality) or he's stupid. I don't think he's stupid.

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often a better standard of living, and slowly a cultural change in how families are views. All these factors together result in a decreased population growth, as has been seen across the Western world.

this has nothing to do with vaccines.

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As for the logical conclusion I'd say it would be that Gates either misspoke or there's some additional context missing.

gates has said the same thing on many occasion. there is no misspeaking. again I think you are agreeing with me because you see the problem with what he says, and you are speculating that what he says is not what he means...but it is.

Edited by Little Fish, 01 March 2012 - 10:02 AM.

[Little Fish]

RaptorBites, on 01 March 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

If you watch the video, he never said anything about reducing the current population but to reduce the rapid growth of population as a whole to save the earth.  2 very different points.

let's not quibble over words. both propositions have ethical issues, and one could easily lead to the other.

[Corp]

Little Fish you might not know this but vaccines are part of overall improved health care, which also comes with an increase access to bith control. That's the link. And vaccines do result in an increase in population, for a time. After all they didn't stop the Baby Boom. However cultural outlooks do change. Most people aren't having five or six kids, not because they're unable but because they choose not to.

And on the matter of Bill Gates using vaccines to secretly kill and/or sterilize people I don't agree with you. Not even a tiny bit.

[Michelle]

Corp, on 01 March 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

And on the matter of Bill Gates using vaccines to secretly kill and/or sterilize people I don't agree with you. Not even a tiny bit.

I'm not so sure that would be a bad thing. Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy?

[Little Fish]

Corp, on 01 March 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

Little Fish you might not know this but vaccines are part of overall improved health care, which also comes with an increase access to bith control. That's the link. And vaccines do result in an increase in population, for a time.

here is bill gates again:

"A surprising but critical fact we learned was that reducing the number of deaths actually reduces population growth. Chart 3 shows the strong connection between infant mortality rates and fertility rates"
http://www.gatesfoun...ood-deaths.aspx

first point - this is confirmation that the video is not out of context, he means exactly what he says - "vaccines reduce population"

second point - the evidence he gives is a correlation between the number of children a woman has, and the infant mortality rate. so his reasoning is that if you reduce the infant mortality rate, then the women will have less kids. this is a classic correlation-causation fallacy which is the stuff of pseudoscience! correlation does not mean causation!

it is more reasonable to suggest that the more kids a women has the more difficult she will find it to feed them all properly, so she will have a higher infant mortality rate due to malnutrition - her malnourished kids will be more susceptible to disease!
notice the caption under his graph - "better health is linked to smaller families" which is the same as saying "smaller families are linked to better health" - this sounds awfully like al gores "co2 is linked to temperature" deception. note his graph does NOT say "better health means smaller families".

[Little Fish]

Michelle, on 01 March 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

I'm not so sure that would be a bad thing. Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy?

maybe the intention is that the stupid people will believe whatever gates says and take the vaccine, the smart ones who can figure it out will avoid the vaccines. a perfect eugenics plan.  

[Corp]

Little Fish, on 01 March 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

here is bill gates again:

"A surprising but critical fact we learned was that reducing the number of deaths actually reduces population growth. Chart 3 shows the strong connection between infant mortality rates and fertility rates"
http://www.gatesfoun...ood-deaths.aspx

first point - this is confirmation that the video is not out of context, he means exactly what he says - "vaccines reduce population"

second point - the evidence he gives is a correlation between the number of children a woman has, and the infant mortality rate. so his reasoning is that if you reduce the infant mortality rate, then the women will have less kids. this is a classic correlation-causation fallacy which is the stuff of pseudoscience! correlation does not mean causation!

it is more reasonable to suggest that the more kids a women has the more difficult she will find it to feed them all properly, so she will have a higher infant mortality rate due to malnutrition - her malnourished kids will be more susceptible to disease!
notice the caption under his graph - "better health is linked to smaller families" which is the same as saying "smaller families are linked to better health" - this sounds awfully like al gores "co2 is linked to temperature" deception. note his graph does NOT say "better health means smaller families".

God this just won't die will it. Tell you what Little Fish. Come up with a clip of Gates saying "I am using vaccines to murder people" and I'll agree with you. Otherwise this is nothing more than endless paranoia.

[Little Fish]

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