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[Super-Fly]

Could be wearing worse.

Thanks.

[GGG guy]

I've been attempting to absorb your comments on Thrace, and I believe A Borean/Burjan tribe can be found on Lemnos Isle, as Kabeiros (Cabiri) cult on Samothrace Isle collectively. One can also have a North of Thrace Hyperborean in your era and period as stated. And, to the Northwest of Thrace on the west end of the Black Sea as similar for a Burjan tribe. One can also find Daci-Buri to the West of Thrace, where my claim these are those Hyperboreans in question. So this means they are all around Thrace on three sides, except for the Black Sea coastline to the East, or water. Here we can find an ancient city called Boreas on oldest of maps. So they should be in Thrace too. I have Thrace references to similar locational names, and Atlantis could be on the south Aegean shoreline region susceptible to tsunami's and the like as well. This would mimic the Cadiz-Spain Atlantis type flood that buried it under mud, in lieu of sinking into the sea. There is also the former Tengra mountain name in Trace I previously attached data for herein.

Concerning the question of the Hyperborean gifts to Delos (the final destination), it true that this was carried through the regions you have shown. If this was payment, as money or valuables, then I doubt it would have arrived in Delos. As I suggested, perhaps these gifts were actually ashes of a deceased person after a cremation, where according to the phoenix bird thinking, these ashes would be carried to the Egyptian Helios sun-temple, as a mausoleum type burial destination. Thus, Delos would have a sun temple, and it did, but no remnants remain of this, I think. So the gifts, as ashes could in theory make the trek across these lands, and one wouldn't steel this type of "gift". I would suggest that all these tribal groups that passed these gifts along, may have also used this same sun temple for their deceased, too. This could have been a common corridor for all that have deceased members after cremation, then sent to this Delos-Helios sun temple, in theory.

On the Georgian myth question, I think speaks for itself. The myth exhibits all of the factors we've discussed herein, I see as 100% perfect fit. Would you agree? I never read this myth before but can say my baseline model would in theory predict this mythical compliance in this region, and I'm not surprised by this find, or the fit to our conditions, and "great find".

On the core question of tribes, I think a Burjan leans more Chechen, and less the other. There is supposed to be a mountain retreat called Burjan, in the Chechen mountains. Russian generals and dignitaries would spend time, or vacation here, and is excellent hunting grounds, and a very steep and dangerous road to get to this highlands location. Some of these chateaus were actually place at locations derived by the distance a horse travels in a day. Here you can't just cross the Caucasus Mountains in a day. They would place these locations where horses could obtain water, and likely food, and a traveler would spend the overnight, and proceed in the morning, or vacation there, as a motel arrangement, for hunting. Generals had an exclusive at Burjan, and in the reading had their own band and such. I believe they also hid prisoners here, that would be valuable ones, such as Nobles or leaders. This is on thing that leans as Chechen, but these mountains could be a large area.

The town stated as Elburgun or (al-Burgund - my take), aka Bugundians, is said to derive from similar Siberian mountain name, or mountain range. I haven't located this yet, but, believe this is the same Elburgun which my review paper called Burgund, suggesting maybe yet another location is possible in the Caucasus region/s. I can also add to a Crimea location for my tribe, so I have to be careful. All locations could be encompassed depending on the timeline, of which isn't clearly defined, but could yet be likely approximated in light of the fact i have more data now, and the most accurate of it would be indicative of my global timeline of high confidence, and here, I haven't been able to articulate the packaged deal, yet, to my satisfaction, which I could relay with the high confidence reguired. This is how I model. I think we are absolutely on the right track. The Geogians gods also includes the name Ida.

The Georgian myth and the tribal reference given I believe may be Alans, and can be in Gaul too, as Alans. I think my tribe are in this same neighborhood, likely confederated, but of another Chechens ethos, which I think leans to Chechens, and Chechen Mts. I have more work to do on this, but the myth is outstanding. Do you think someone could make this up? Fabricate a mythical people with such precision for this myth. Is it safe to say this myth was predictable? I would say if we predicted this location and find this myth, would imply fact, or we wouldn't find this myth in particular. That's my take for the interim period, and, I need more time yet.

I will add a page for Delos, and Helios temple, however, herein is another take on Geryon red cattle, as Helios owned livestock as red cows. Also note the additional data for flaming horses, or fire horses. This may afford another avenue for the House of Geryon concerning the Hurcules myth and labors involved. Note also that indeed Apollo, Artemis, Zeus, and Helios are considered here, and that Delos is close to Carians (Karians), and that the story goes they arrived by sea, then settled inland later. Delos supports this origin of Carians like glove, and you need ships to fulfill the definitions, and Delos is in the proper location. This also connects to Poseidon, and his daughter Beiros.

http://www.ancientsi.../Journal/460307

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo

At any rate, I think your approximations are excellant Puzzler, and also correct, and I think I can corroborate most all of this, in due course. Does my concept get results? GGG guy.

[GGG guy]

I wanted to share another concept concerning the hexagram thunder-mark runic symbol, or also as ball lightning. To further assist in some of our aspects concerning Georgia's "green phoenix", Sumeria's (Chaldea) "green moon goddess" of an emerald stone, and its birefringence optical properties, relative to "light", as a source-energy characteristic exhibited in mythical gods, in general. we may recall this thunder-mark was on the Minoan gold ring that Puzzler attached a picture of pages back.

I need to make an analogy before I can relay this concept.

Both amber, and emeralds exhibit the optical property of birefringence. Wherein, a crystalline material has a different refractive index according to orientation of its particular crystalline planes, relative to the angle of the incoming beam, or incident angle at the first surface/s. I you view into these types of materials and slightly move the crystal, then light inside can appear to dance about a bit, or dazzle the viewer, such as gemstones do.

In the case of amber, it's actually poly-crystalline where smaller single-crystal subgroups in the material are then randomly mixed together with random orientations, hence, further randomizing the initial incident beam. Emeralds are typically one single-crystal, thus the earliest ones of S. Egypt at ~3000 BC would be of interest for our purpose. Both materials would exhibit this property, but likely different in appearance, to the observer, to some degree, due to types crystals.

I'll add an additional analogy to amber so we can visualize my concept better. In early Egypt, there is a story that an artisan would take an oval shaped piece of amber (clear or polished) dome, with a flat backside. Then would carve an image of something in the flat back-side face of the stone, lets say a ballerina for our purpose. The viewer would then view this through the clear front-side, wiggle the gem slightly, and the birefringence property of the amber would cause this ballerina to appear to dance about - a little bit. I refer to this as the first TV (motion picture). This would not be applicable to a emerald so well, and a single-crystal wouldn't be as "active" as amber in this type of jewelery, would be my guess.

However, Egypt's emeralds are the only known ones at our reference date, and to note, they are of a lighter green variety of emeralds. In jewelery of the times, emeralds were left in the hexagon (six sided with two flat ends) "natural" state, cut to hex-shaped stones, a center hole drilled through them, and strung into bead type necklaces. They weren't faceted as emeralds in jewelery today are.

If the "soul-spirit" is modeled from the "Aurora Borealis" - Northern Lights, I could introduce several factors which includes; soul-spirit as the shimmering Northern Lights, the color green, as in the Egyptian emerald and the Northern Lights, night-light - as in the Chaldean moon goddess which lives inside an emerald. I contend the birefringence property of an early emerald mimics the Aurora Borealis shimmering attributes to the viewer, and would be a hexagon in shape. This then allows the hex-shaped thunder mark, as on the Minoan gold ring. I believe it may also satisfy the question of the Georgian phoenix-bird being green in color. Directly flows down to a Hyperborean concept as Northern people one would think. It also suggest the on the Minoan ring, the symbol could represent an "Aurora" and not a "storm", "ball lightning", or lightning bolt, which we may have previously presumed. However, because gods and goddesses are considered "light", then one could use all of these descriptors interchangeable as being tenable. If you made the jewelery, lightning, I doubt, would be drawn this way. This leads me to believe that this hex-symbol could actually represent Aurora's as more plausible.

I say this because I believe that the idea of gods and goddesses a "spirits or souls", and man having a "spirit or soul" to be derived from these shimmering Northern Lights, as source origin of this concept, and allows "light" as the initiator equally so. If my concept is true, then this runic symbol suggest a possible root origin historical identification to determine the possible tribe responsible for this concept, and approximate time period it may have actually been realized within early creation type inquires of the ancient Modern Humans (Homo Sapiens). The fact of the Egypt-Emerald time line I think is likely too late, I would suggest this Aurora-Soul concept was likely realized before the hex symbol, and the Sumerian emerald-goddess myth was ascertained by them, or others. It fits within a Minoan timeline, and could be inducted into the emerald due to its color, and birefringence. This visual aspect of the emerald could be very similar to the aurora's appearance, indicative, that to a viewer that had seen an aurora (now in their memory), and their cultural folklore of the North whence they came, could likely see this in an emerald, if they had journeyed south to Sumerian or Egyptian territories, where both traded in emeralds early on, and, it is associated with the Sumerian emerald goddess, which also fits into the timeline stated. If the Georgian phoenix bird is green in color, This suggest it may be of the North, and equally realized as an Aurora Borealis (green), and at the "top" of their "Tree of Life".

I haven't crossed verified this runic symbol according to this description yet, but I feel quite comfortable with this relative to the Minoan gold ring's pictorial expression. Just the word "Boreas" can allow many variations under the guise as wind-storm, but the ring's scene doesn't appear "stormy" to me. See if this makes more sense for interpretation of the ring.

I haven't studied Delos Isle much, However, it appears to be a set of 3-small islands, with an internal bay zone, likely offering good protection as a ship port in stormy weather. To me, rings of small islands as a group to be suggestive of an earlier, single volcanic island, that blew up, and then leaves this type of remnant smaller islands, similar to Krakatoa, and, Santorini being close to Delos Isle. Just an observation, and I haven't backed into this at all yet, but thought I would toss this into the blog. If so, I would presume Delos ruins to be built as the Isles are today, and this volcano seems to be before Santorini, or, perhaps it would have been recorded. It could have occurred millenniums before Sea Peoples arrived in this part of the Mediterranean Seas. I also think Delos may in fact be the Hyperborean's main Aegean colony. If volcanism occurred as described, then it could be an Atlantis candidate, especially if this occurred this far back in history. However, if the current ongoing archaeology on Delos today actually found organic evidence of an earlier people, or their animals, then the carbon 14 test date would indicate this time differential, I would think. On the other hand, perhaps humans hadn't been there yet. This kind of volcano could easily have enough potential to completely erase inhabitants if they were actually living there at the time of this eruption, if true. Santorini has few, if any bodies in the ruins buried in the ashes. It it believed nearly all inhabitants had left this island prior to the main eruption. The opposite of Pompey. I think it depends on the exact nature of a given volcano, as to whether or not you would have an early warning to vacate.  


I know you'll all have fun with this. Let me know you think, GGG guy.  

[The Puzzler]

Gosh GGG, that's one idea indeed, I spent all last night looking into it and saw a website saying Amun was the Aurora Borealis and it's very detailed, you'll enjoy it for sure, I'm still thinking on it and didn't read it all yet: http://www.gks.uk.com/god-amun-aurora/ (Note the first picture on the website has some kind of hex type or cross symbol in the middle, I'm unsure what that is or means but always looking for similar symbols)







Two images of Amun sporting two tall plumes or feathers. These are very important for as I will shortly show they are actual physical representations of Auroral lights.(from website)

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I found this too:

The word "Emerald" is derived (via Old French: Esmeraude and Middle English: Emeraude), from Vulgar Latin: Esmaralda/Esmaraldus, a variant of Latin Smaragdus, which originated in Greek: σμάραγδος (smaragdos; "green gem"); its original source being either the Hebrew word אזמרגד izmargad meaning "emerald" or "green"^[3] or the Sanskrit word मरकत marakata meaning "emerald." The name could also be related to the Semitic word baraq (בָּרָק ;البُراق; "lightning" or "shine") (cf. Hebrew: ברקת bareqeth and Arabic: برق barq "lightning"). It is the same source for the names Persian (زمرّد zomorrod), Turkish (zümrüt), Sanskrit (मरकत ; marakata), Kannada (ಪಚ್ಚೆ ; Pacche), Telugu (Paccha), Georgian (ზურმუხტი; zurmukhti), Russian (изумруд; izumrud)^[4] and Armenian zmruxt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald

Solar barq - solar lightening - aurora effect? I'm also thinking more of energy or magnetism than an actual lightening sign - the power of energy maybe was the real weather God - funny cause the 'ball lightening' symbol resembles an atom also imo.

Edited by The Puzzler, 31 July 2012 - 02:48 PM.

[GGG guy]

I thought I would extract details from this emerald/aurora/hexagram symbol model as we've exchanged. There is more information in this as related to my Grand Global Genome (GGG) model, so I want to fully describe the entire scope of what I perceive needs clarification as to the sequence of events, the regions, the dates, how this fits my model. Also, additional revelations which I believe is the evolution of the idea of a spirit. Also, some limits for a hexagram-aurora symbol. I'll numer these factors as specifics, and for reference to simplify feedback blogs.

1. Lightning vs. Aurora. The Minoan gold ring (attached - Puzzler) is a night-time scene, not day.

2. Sumerian emerald moon goddess could be same as Selene Goddess (Homeric Hymn). Eos (Aurora-Latin), as Dawn Goddess, would be the other night-time Goddess (vs. moon) and Aurora Borealis arctic lights proper.

3. the date at ~3000 BC for the emerald mines in Eritria/Ethiopia (Upper Egypt)are at the Buri penisula port region, and matches the Norse Buri god name. This allows me to state that; the date the Norse myth was written is ~3000 BC, and that they, the Hyperboreans of Bjarmaland (Burjanland-my translation, and Burjan as Borean tribe), by the White Sea, Norway, then went south, and brought this aurora-spirit concept with them, to Sumeria and Egypt for our purpose here, because this is also where you find aurora's - to begin with - in this order, and its in the name Aurora Borealis as well, or Northern Lights. Thus this defines the location, tribal name, and date I believe the Norse myth pantheon was written, and yet needs the cow of the South for Audumia in the Norse pantheon (another issue for later, as well as Thor's origin).

4)Celtic myth and Canaan myth (Sumerian Akkadian, Assur, related winged type gods)had a female goddess in lieu of male gods at top of the pantheons, suggesting these two night-time goddess are in the foundation of their beliefs. On the Minoan ring I could suggest their goddess named Dykti, and would also suggest is also of the Idaean Dactyls - save for later - would be proper, because, this is a night-time scene.

5. A witch cast a spell, we also call a hex (recall the Hexagram symbol), wherein: they would summon a spirit-ghost for either good or bad purpose desired in the type of "HEX". Herein, as ghost is also an aurora in both its wispy vapor, but herein also the attachment to the spirit nature derived fro an aurora's visual appearance. So by default, this word defines the spirit nature interatation as equivalent to the emerald color and Hexagram symbol showing both aspects this way.

6. The Tarim Mummies, Central Asia ~1850 BC has the one nicknamed "the Witch of Subishi". This witch has a tall, conical, and pointed witches hat on like Merlins, and "Golden Man" Sakas, Iran, I recall as ~500 BC. A Burjan kingdom at 747 AD Bolgar City, Volga River, Russia (near Kazan) also calls a witch a volva. The movie called "the 13th Warrior" is a true story of this period, and has a very accurate scene that depicts a volva, "throwing the bones" if one wants to relive this event. I've read on this topic their and would say the movie did this exactly right. The Arabic guy is a true ambassador and the embassy was at Bolgar City likewise at the date I've shown. Bulgar-Khazars displaced the Burjan's "Marduan Princedom". X-mas traces here too, where x=gift, hence "gift exchange".

7. This suggest that Georgia's oddball Green Phoenix bird likely relates to a night-time goddess Aurora being green in color too. Suggest also the Aurora as a spirit (ghost) where the moon doesn't play so well, but both are night-light type spirits too. One way to isolate these two, think ghost-vapor.

8.The Human's spirit-soul is in subconcious, and in your dreams at night-time, when your sleeping, where this is our communication links to this Aurora Goddess (ghost-vapor upper-world god) proper, and not the moon. It was believed god talked through your dreams long ago.

9. Because the HEXAGRAM SYMBOL I believe dates to the ~3000 BC emeralds of Upper Egypt, I believe that all images one may find of this image, or close cousins of this symbol, that they "ALL" have to be dated after this, period. Earlier dates are a coincidence, and would have a different definition. I've not searched for this hexagram in India, but cay say that they would grind up emeralds and eat them, some kind of holy, or healing food. Brings justice to the definition Fir Bolg, men of bags, who carried bags of dirt, of which you may recall I said, yes, diamond dirt, ruby dirt, emerald dirt...
I suppose the original basic definition may be hiding something, or maybe not. I suppose I'm correct no matter what form this dirt may be in. Get that!!!

If we take the concept Aurora-Spirit (ghost-vapor), I believe we could state that this is a globally consistent interpretation in nearly all cultures. If I said as I have that I've identified the Hyperboreans as the progenator that 1st created this idea, as he evolved from caveman, and the base floor of knowledge (Adam and Eve biting the apple), then I would suggest also that this is also the same name for my Grand Global Genome (GGG) theory, as my model use one tribe and name, or nearly so, then this would provide also the vehical progenator that also spread both this name, and this imaginary device we realize and call our soul, and god's soul, as a ghost-vapor visualization. Ironic, but this seems to be the bigger picture to me. My earliest date would be after 17,000 BC, for various reasons. However, the HEXAGRAM symbol for this occurred around 3,000 BC. This is why I bracketed in this date as I stated.

10. For proper English, I think the American Indians have their house in order. That is to say "Sky God" should be replace with their expression as "Spirit in the Sky" proper, because it also allows for spirit in closer compliance to ghost-vapor-as spirit. One needs to be careful on translations.

I have another paper for the Egyptian "aurora" god. This paper mimics my definitions, however, there is no HEXAGRAM mentioned. I suppose its part of the secret knowledge they hide somwhere downthere, aye.

I also examined all of the Egypt images on Puzzler's page she attached, and there is also another hex-star one one of the other images, about 1/2 of them lacked resolution, and all of them may have yet this symbol in the text around the deity images. I say that the hat is dual-pillars, that flat top is the aether upper world realm, below this our world (aurora realm too), and one image suggest the feet of the throne as perhaps wolf-type, or their underworld, underneath him. I doubt feathers are related, could allow the colors, and would suggest a phoenix as a possible feather related avenue to consider. I content, and according to his statement, aurora was in all Egyptian burials, temples, and on the Upper Nile to the Lower Nile, everywhere. Good, because I'm going to get back on Georgia to see if this can be unraveled somehow. If the emeralds hold this date, then it should be as he states because this is in line with their earliest dynasties. This actually leads to the "Land of Punt" in the south which is claimed to be their ancestors, as written by them. I do have some data for this, but will have to wait for another time. The Georgia-Iberia question is my problem point, and actually my last one, at least to the level I'm attempting to assimilate.

http://www.everythin...opic=298.0;wap2

We can also add Delos Island to my baseline data points, and I see this as a Hyperborean sanctuary, not a settlement to live at necessarily. Interesting that I saw some theory that is is exactly in the middle of the Aegean between Greece and Caria (Karia) that would triangulate using Pythagoras geometry as shown earlier on the English Stonehenge examples previously herein. Suspect just do to centering, if they were correct with the statement. Delos has palms, so I will see if this may be a "Buri" palm, the one that flowers once, a pyramid looking very large flower on top, then dies. Very similar to a phoenix-bird life-death cycle. Delos requires lots of attention, however, it fits all my data perfectly so far, so its downhill I think. Strange place for a sanctuary. Maybe this did blow up (volcano), and the sanctuary could be a memorial perhaps. Doesn't seem like it was occupied much, or a small group of people. I think my tribe had missionary/monks/priest, such that, it may have be a priestly group that were on the island, and/or, maybe an oracle. The priest may have taken care of the grounds, and offer fortune telling services to incidental sailors passing through.

http://www.antique-h...lsexplained.htm

This will help for the other Etruscan pendant that Puzzler attached pages back. Scroll down to Eos (Aurora), In these descriptions, find the Horae, goddesses of the seasons, where they suggest in one tradition, they are the daughters of Helios. So the seasons description that Puzzler suggested as the four seasons (4 mini swastikas) equilateral placement into 4-quadrents encircling the larger central swastika, or the sun. Swastika's can be sun-wheels (a sun symbol), and 4-mini sun-wheels clearly qualify as 4-daughters where smaller means younger as depicted thereon. Ironically, this is also related to the aurora which shows that as I've stated in note 9, that the tribe of GGG concept can spread this everywhere on the globe including here, if I'm correct. I believe I can tie Burjan tribe of Lemnos Island to Tuscany, and Rome as miners. The definition we've seen as sand has to do with mining, which is why this wolf tribe was in Rome, before Rome. here they washed minerals from river sand akin to panning. Suburra ancient village is here, which is likely them. (may be Subarians, Sumeria). Also Bari, Italy (2nd home of St Nick's bones - the saint of gift giving, x-mas).

I believe the emerald-hex symbol fits within these definitions. Certainly there is more similar inscriptions to be found. India is my current for this symbol. This may allow a date line to Egypt by way of emeralds. Right now, I think this symbol is rather rare for auroras based on my initial attempts so far.

This should be my current GGG factors as stated. There is yet a lot to e had, but Caucasus region I may be able to manage now due to more data points I've collected in the region. See if my concept adds up. Be back soon, Thanks, GGG guy.

[GGG guy]

I think the house of Geryon may actually be in Lebanon for the Hercules 10-12 labors. If the RED COWS are owned by Helios (sun), in a distant land..., then we can ascertain that Hercules in another myth is connected to Tyrian Purple (holy purple dye) first invented in Tyre by which is also the Phoencian/Crete port in Lebanon, and the word Sidon (Posidon) related to Posidon. It's implied they are Sea People, of which I would call Carian-Hyperboreans, and relate Delos Island myths. If Zebulun translates as the Zebu=cow as India word, and, if the Kebara Cave on Mt. Carmel in Zebulun, then these factors will align with the myth, if Lebanon had a Helios shrine of some type. In the dye myth, it was Hercules dog (wolf tribe) the bite the sea urchin on these shores, whereupon, he saw this purple dye on his dogs mouth. The terminology "House of" would be appropriate in the myth stlye-prose in that Zebulun has one translation as "House of Honor". The other port is at Beirut (Birytis) which I claim is related to the "mint" where Thracian coins are believed to be derived. Poseidon's "trident" is on the Ukrainian flag, so this is also the same Hyperborians By Thrace Puzzler and older writings refer to in the scope of this subject matter. These three locations as ports are grouped on the shores here, in Lebanon, which I see as Home of Posidon. The trident is equal to Upper, Middle, and Lower gods pantheon trinity. or the Tree of Life, which I believe is the sourced through Tengra-shaman construct, and a shaman (woman) was found in this region, buried with 50-arrainged tortoise shells (ref Apollo's kithera inst.), and dates ~ 8000 BC. Because caves can be shown to have DOGS (wolves) as guards to the entrance to the under world, then the Kebara Cave "should" have these dogs related as such, if all of these factors are correct, as I suspect.

To confirm this, I'm missing a specific to the word Geryon in Lebanon, a dog-cave part of their folklore, or myths of this region, the question of ranchers that actually had herded cows in this region, or any related "other factors" one may be able to "add" in. This would also be transcendent to include "aurora" myth thinking within the Helios (sun) factors, because he apparently owns these cattle, and suggest this is the red color associated with them symbolically, but the cows could in theory, any color, or variety, but perhaps a Zebu cow is red as well, I don't know. Seems to me that the Poseidon/Delos Isle parts would conform for the other myths, and this all suggest Sea People, as the Argonauts, or the Boreads, by name. Maybe someone can help fills the remaining factors to cinch this extrapolation, for a Lebanon conclusion, if true.

I also wanted that Hepheastus (the blacksmith) is the one who split Zeus's head in half using the double-axe, as in the Minoan type, the Lydian-Lycian (wolf) myth-type double-axe, and should be the Hyperboreans, as Burjan tribe on Lemnos Island (south of Samothrace (Kubeiros cult - and god of sea- dwarf), and in my opinion, Buryan-Burjan-Borean are the same people, and could be Minoan-Palasgian-Carian (of Kar by Armenia, or Iberian) which collectively, the name Hyperborean is probably the most "user-freindly" in the general public domain, of just Siberians would suffice, source of shaman practice in general terms.

So I'm suggesting these are also the "Battle-Axe Culture" of early Germany, which can conform to the myths too, if this is also correct.

I thought I would relay these types of factors for a better approximation on the Delos Isle myths, and a connection to Poseidon with Lebanon roots, if this is indeed how these myths and gods are connected territorially. I'm working the Georgia/Iberia part, but thought I should blog this in before I myself forget this extrapolation. It seems predictive for a House of Geryon, otherwise, and educated guess on my behalf. See what you think, GGG guy.

I actually met a girl from Ethiopia the other day, and she actually gave me an Ethiopian torc type necklace made with some very unusual rock beads from there that exhibit box-square type grain patterns (black and ivory color) instead of the typical rounded sinusoidal striations in most rocks. After this Emerald stuff herein, I'm flabbergasted! I have Ethiopian rock actually around my neck, as I type. Its a small world.

[GGG guy]

I thought I should add some aurora factoids, one to connect the swastika artwork on Puzzler's Etruscan gold pendant, and to show a very similar Greek version also in gold that dates to 800 BC. the idea of the 4-season's, and 4-daughters of the aurora, in the morning before sunrise, as "dawn" (Eos), I see as of the same reason for these two artifact symbols.

http://www.pakalertp...the-white-race/

I also have a second aurora definition as of the East, and can allow a "wolf's tail" connection, perhaps as the wolf tribe in the East, as well (see - small excerpt on page 458, the book called The Anthenaeum, London, 1877). Important because this is a Arabic, Persian, and Turkish take on aurora's to mean "dawn", or daybreak. I see this version, a Hindi version, and a Middle East version, as earliest, and these regions can have different take in their pantheon/'s, from their folklore, or myths. I contend this is of the North, first, then spread from there suggesting an early "seed" race can be found their. I see consistency in the East, the wolf, and would suggest S. Siberia as a possible root, in shamanism therefrom. This excerpt is limited, and kind of old. However, also gives us these core peoples and some language components are implied, so collectively, it allows these factors in differentiating myths and basic core races. Any associated date is up for grabs, but it strongly suggests a wolf-tamga, I think of as polar zodiac Draco constellation, wolf/dragon-snake type tribal relationship to auroras. Fits my GGG concept quite well, even if we were going to allow their myths and customs to be included into a timeline, or source origin, as a single source, or, could have multiple origins being, merely coincidental, for the numerous myths about auroral phenomena.

http://books.google....l, 1877&f=false

I think this helps broaden the scope of the aurora question, I suggest comes from the Norther Lights, and the name Aurora Borealis as of a wolf tribe, too. Because Turkish people came from the Central Asian earlier ancestors, then this helps define them a bit for their Anatolian domain, so I think I can see this element, and the Arabic factor to the south as well, but the comments shoe their uncertain of a Hindi relationship. I can't add yet to clarify their, and my position concerning the articles postulations.

The attachment looks as if it may not work, and if so, I can transcribe the paragraph needed. Be back soon, GGG guy.

[GGG guy]

I want to re-align an aurora concept based on the "wolf's tail" description, or as "false dawn" implied in the previous attachment concerning their Eastern aurora descriptions, I'll round of to Central Asian.

The following "key words" that were used in this text are; wolf's tail, false dawn, tall-slender-pillar, faint-light, true dawn, two-headed dog of Geryon, Hurcules-Tenth Labor, zodiacal-light of the morning and evening, herds-cattle, two-different-horses.

If the Egyptia Amun (Aurora) gods' crown has two pillars, then this represents both East (dawn), and West (dusk) pillars, that holds up the Aether, or Upper-World gods domain, above our Human-domain on Earth, or Middle-World-Earth god domains. The wolf god is the gate-keeper of the Under-World gods. for our Zodical model. This then covers the East-West as Solar/Lunar, or night and day for a zodiac chart. The aurora is then the North-South axis of this model, which coincides to most Tree of Life mythologies. Day is typical as Sun-male gods, and Moon/Aurora-female goddesses, in general terms.

Based on this approximation of the text given, the crown in Egypt is two-pillers, that hold up the Aether, and is East-West pillars of zodiacal light, at sunrise, and sunset. The Aurora is in the North, so it completes this zodiac for Earths axis, because the aurora occurs in the North. The South-Pole goes along for the ride, because I doubt anyone actually ever went their and came back in these periods long ago. The House of Geryon, and the dog of two-heads represents these two pillars as well, and would be as the wolf's tail at sunrise, per the given text, and sunset, to imply the same pillars, and zodiac conditions. However, the wolf should also be part of the axial-North, or Pole Star, if one uses a zodiac-chart, or Tree of Life, as the two should be aligned, and go hand-in-hand.

This means that the duality of Amun's crown in Egypt has exactly the same meaning as the Geryon-dog, and in Egypt this dog is Anubis, with the wolf head. I have an issue in Amun as male vs. female from this zodiac model, but see the animism and dog in the name Boreas, Boread, Hyperborean, all of the North as conclusive evidence to incorporate this wolf's tail concept, and merry it to the Hurculean 10th Labor.

So is there actually a place on the globe that is, or once called Geryon? If the Red-Cows existed, they could be anywhere Helios shines, or an Aurora/Moon location at night. This is suggestive to me that a physical location is improbable, but the model could be derived from a core-tribe people or ethos that then spread this type of logic-pantheon through our historic timeline. To say a wolf-tamga type tribe for both Egypt, and the Herculean-myth of Geryon. Myself, I think I have consistency within the "wolf" concept, and I suggest the Boreads can be traced backwards in time the this end, in the Central Asian early corridor, and historic locations, as currently known.

I needed to clarify these factors from my perspectives concerning auroras in general. I believe the definitions for an emerald-hexagon fits within this zodiac, and is these same wolf-tribe people, also called Boreads, by one definition, or Hyperboreans.

This then gives an early model for auroral-light-gods thinking, and can then be compared to the various myths concerning auroras, in general. So the pillars are East-West in this zodiac, but of the axial pole star as well due to an aurora if the North, suggesting that their model is well thought out, even though the Auroral Lights were originally not of any zodiac yet, when the cave man first reconciled the spirit-god-shimmering lights, we call Aurora Borealis. This tribe, a wolf tribe. I think the horses in the myth/s can be adapted in all cases to this zodical alignment for the concepts. These are likely the early folks that domesticated horses, and dogs as well.

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I'm complacent to this definition, and a location called Geryon is likely myth. Such a location could be related to this type of myth, but would be named of it, not before, but after the myth was written, or by slang corruption on a location name already in existence, such as anywhere these same people may have migrated, having both horses and dogs in their culture, and perhaps cattle.

I'll attach an India Chakras Tree of Life to aid in the name Hyperborean, which seems consistent to this core concept, and ancient proto - Modern Human - time line.

See if this may be a better base description aligned to these myths for Egypt, and Perseus-Zeus definitions, I claim are consistent to this end. Will this also allow the Iberian/Georgia zodiac for the dog-star-Sirius, and Egypt's Osiris, related to the very same dog, and Anubis. I think I can make the case, and I've attached the archaeology from Georgia for this date line suggesting the oldest know use of this zodiac, and dog-star. I feel comfortable in this position on the topic of auroras. and mythical symbolism.

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This Coat of Arms is related to the Georgian myth Puzzler attached previously. This shows the "Burjan-Tower" concept which I see as the Tower-Sky-God concept, or Upper-World gods above the Aether. Not a pillar, but Earth's god, at the top of Earth's god mountain, where these spirits reside. A tall tower brings one closer to the universal (Upper-World) god/s. This is likely woven into the CoA image, as well as additional symbolism. This is the myth I'm working on, and these people, and their CoA fits my model quite well for al-Burjan of Iranian myth, to be these Georgians today. I'm yet seeking confirmation between the myths, my key core tribe, and locational ground truth to verify base ethos tribal name/s, if I'm correct in this analysis, to begin with.

I think this may be a simplified model for these factors, once put into proper perspective, or, my perspective anyway. I'm open to suggestions as this is fundamental to understanding our ancestors. Perhaps there is yet a better model that can encompass these specific factors. Feel free to dive in on this one because I'm very "green" on these concepts, in general. I think I have this right, for now, GGG guy.

[The_Spartan]

Its real funny to see that GGG Guy tries to factor his family name into every known fact on this world. small world..huh?

[GGG guy]

I want to add definition for the "wolf's tail" as stated to be part of the Auroral dawn phenomenon, as stated in the notes, and the Eastern, or Central Asian root for this mythical concept, expressed this way. This suggest an Eastern "wolf" people of sorts.

I should remind Spartan that they too are a wolf-pack, so his personal web name is also tied to this wolf, as well. Maybe he can inform us all who this wolf=pack is, and perhaps, where they got their weapons, too. Lets see if you can answer this Spartan, but without the use of my data, which you would rather complain about. I think I see where the ego trip really lies, and suggest you use better show of historical data in support for your skepticism, and speculations.

If we asked the question; who or where can we find an Eastern wolf people, or tribe, can we determin their name, and can we derive a date for idea concerning this "wolf's tail" as described from this rather short narrative I attached.

One can readiliy obtain a wolf at Gorgan in Iran, or "Land of Wolves", of which would be the type of region the original text claimed for their myth representation. They claimed Central Asian, Persian, and Arabic corridor on this myth roots.

So I will target Gorgan in Iran today, but at ancient times, their province was larger than today. I'll attach a wiki page on this location, and some factoids, which I'll target for this auroral question, and possible source root for the wolf people in question, with the caveat, wolf people (tamga) could think in these types of gods and goddesses, because they are a wolf people, as would be Spartans, in theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgan

Gorgan has another name as Astarabad. Lets follow this other Persian type name. In Sanskirt, Gorgan as Varkana (wolf) was the capital of Hyrcania and called Zadracarta - "Royal Palace". Gorgans can be Sassanids which I claim is also Kassites, and Burna Buriash II, King of Kassite Babylon. The version of the name as Gorgan is tied to these people and they possessed brick kilns. Likely blacksmiths too.

Gorgan Valley is very fertile, and they had various types of cattle livestock. The Royal Palace is believed to be on the fringe of Gorgon city. In particular, the Turkmen (different from Kurds), is  related to the Persian rugs, wherein their patterns are related to, what they call ancient Persian Balhara (Bactria), suggesting these people are of ancestors futher east, that also made carpets, or rugs, as its the style of artwork in the rug design. Also called modern Uzbekistan, and carpets called "Jajim" carpets. Suggested minority group in Iran today.

I've also mentioned Kurds, and the cuurent reading states "exact origin of the Kurds is unknown".

In the name Astarabad, we find the following translation; Astara Goddess.

http://www.texemarrs...s_in_esther.htm

This attachment allows a couple of definition related to the Biblical Book of Ester, in Hebrew text, said to be the Jewish "Talmad", or Jews Holy Book. Of special note is the following translation;

"... declares that Gentiles are but goyim (cattle)and are worthy of death."

I content that goyim-Geryon for Hercules 10th Labor, So, "the House of Geryon" means "the House of Cattle". Anyone with a cattle industry at these times could be considered as a House of Cattle. I think this translation will withstand the test of time, or competing theories, including some of my own speculations herein, but this is my current answer for the Geryon word, that fits the myth quite well. We may also think Tiberian-Hebrew sub-dialect, I claim is from Bad Tibira, the Sumerian blacksmiths, or 2nd dynasty of Sumeria for this city.

If we follow the Astara Goddess more, than this leads to the High German Ostara, or proto-Germanic Austro. For proper grammer and these translations, I'll attach this version of an auroral goddess.

http://en.wikipedia....rg/wiki/Ēostre

Accordingly, from PIE - linguists have traced this name to proto-Indo-European "goddess of dawn", which I claim fit the myth in question, of Iran, and can be a wolf's tail in the dawn aurora, as they claimed. Also can mean "to shine", or light-god concepts. It gives us an India target as their goddess Ushas, a possible Slavic "spring goddess (their New Year was in spring - as new birth) called Vesna, and Lithuanian Vasara. Lithuania has a wolf at the core of their myths, too, and on their coins, and the name of their capital city, which in their myth a myth derived from a dream-vision, or our spiritual connections to Upper-World gods while asleep at night, when auroral activities happen. A wolf was in this vision accordingly.

There is a connection to the Greek "Astraeus" (starry), as a 2nd generation Titan, and whoes wife was Eos (Aurora-Latin). Their son's, the 4-winds (which includes Boreas),and the 5-astro planets, or the "wondering stars", because they don't follow sidereal time, or stars and constellation stars in the zodiac. They knew the visable planets track independantly in the sky, and were different than stars.

I believe that the wolf's tail can be traced, and to the same locations, and people who devised these myths as stated therein.

One should note that a Gorgan, can be a Gorgun in Azerbaijan, and this is a key Caucasus-Armenian location, and well before the name Georgia was used, or devised. This does help my wolf pedogree for my tribe-study, but many tribes could have this myth pantheon. I believe I can show my tribe, even if others can conform.

I want to note that on Puzzlers Minoan Gold Ring, the goddess may be Leto, or derived from Leto, Zeus's wife, and parents of Artemis and Apollo (twins). Delos is Leto's birthplace for Apollo, maybe Artemis, his sister, but some mths conflict on thei timelines, as Apollo may have been born 2nd, after arriving at Delos, and Artimis was already born. Delos Isle is a memorial to celebrate Apollo's birth here, consistant with my approximation pages back, herein.

http://www.crystalin...om/titans2.html

See Astraeus here.

We obtain the name of the month April, and the holiday Easter from these source goddesses and/or male god, and it complies with the auroral "Wolf's Tail" in my opinion. I don't have an issue with the writings, and Balhara would fit my earlier timeline, and all would be of Siberian-shaman practices, where, Tibet can be connected to these Iranian folks at Gorgan, as these attachments thoroughly exhaust, in detail. The path is across the Hindu Kush pass in the Western Himalaya Mountains. This also gives a path to Azerbaijan (same people), and allows a Kurdish solution within the regions, too, as suggested in my previous attachments concerning the Kurds.

Note on the last attachment, Leto is equated with a spindle (recall the arbor, axial-wheel, Earth Axis, as we have discussed already. In the paper, Leto is claimed as "sitting on a wooden throne, clothed in linen chiton, and linen himation. Something tells me that this is the description for the minoan ring, and the clothes in the goddess image. The clothes seem strange to me, and I don't know what this text means on these clothing terms. It may be Leto on this ring, because Minoan isn't a tribal name, and a Hyperborean leto can be in the Aegean Sea, and at Minoan dates. I believe this is the model to use for the Minoan jewelery interpretation. Independantly of my own theories, even if I claim they are connected. Maybe a blogger herein knows of these customs, and can add insight for this ring, and Minoans.

I think I understand enough on the aurora phenomena, and some mythical factors as related, and the regional zones expressed. This Gorgan people/s are in the Cacausus, and I'm attempting to show this route in or through Azerbaijan, likely a Kurdish component, and a Turkman component. This is al-Burjan in Iranian mythology regional maps, and as al-Burjan, is equivalent to Georgia territorially, but before the word Georgia came into use.

Leto is of Lycia (wolf), and the temple of Letoon ruins in Lycia. They could be affiliated with the Amazon tribe here, too.

For Spartan, there is a simpler answer. In the names Samsom (Bible), Samos Isle, Samothrace Isle, Samo  - the founder of Bohemia, and Uncle Sam (America), are all related to this same wolf tribe. All famous people of later dates, with the name, or surname Sam-Samo, are all Slavic, and Czech-Bohemians as well. They are the 1st law makers, even in Sumeria. The earliest known laws written down, are akin Moses's "god laws", written in stone tablets of his day, same as in Sumeria. I wonder where Moses got the idea of written laws? or, God just decided to write them down, at the time of Mt. Sinai. And why did he have to climb all the way to the top of this mountain, anyway? Why not at the bottom of this mountain? Is god really so picky-picky-picky? Which god?

Because Delos was a floating island, wherein, the mythical pillars tied it in the current location, as today. I'm not certain why it was floating. Suggestions on this question could be useful to the analysis.

There is more information from these attachments, but this targets auroral definitions, which I think I understand from a baseline position historically, and some of the variations which evolved regionally over time. The basic fundamentals are essentially the same, in my opinion.

Thanks for the skeptical arguments Spartan, because I already know my concept is almost impossible to sell to others. I don't really need to sell anything, and the research can support itself. I can lay the information on the table, but, people are free to interpret their own results from that which is disclosed therein. Very difficult to interpret correctly, then to construct a model, and a timeline. Good arguments though needs a historical argument. I'm really too busy to deal out answers for projected pessimistic remarks, and see them as unworthy of the time clock. Suggest you be more specific, or stick to a sub-factor, the one that is expressing difficulty in concept. You can stick with the "status quo", but they can't answer these questions either. Its a dead end. I work in a different environment, and is quite independent, and yes, my model did come about, because I did attempt to trace my surname backwards in time. This is how it ends, and, it does make sense, which I believe I can show with historical evidence, as ground truth. This isn't going to change any time soon. If you have another model, then tell us. Also, this is my surname, but you left out it is derived (in my opinion) from a tribal name. The tribe is the tribe historically, so a surname argument is quite weak for your position, because surnames aren't even ancient, anyway. Your comment is limited to Columbus days in Europe. Its difficult to connect any European name to this date, duh! This isn't just any name though. It may be exclusive for ancient tracking if you'd asked me. However, there is yet may more tribal names. Have you considered these others, within your limited theological umbrella?

I think a Leto solution for the interpretation of this Minoan ring is likely correct suggesting Minoans are likely Hyperboreans, and on Delos Island, too. They must have had the boats. GGG guy.  

[GGG guy]

I think I can give a better Thracian connection to the origins of Zeus (a Hyperborean god), and Leto of Lycia, parents of Apollo, and the Delos sanctuary of Apollo. In Trace there is a location for the ancient people under the names Satrae. Bessi, and Dii. Their god was called Sabazios (Zeus). Their temple was at a site called Perperikon, and ties to Phrygians, too. The Satrae were the swordsman fighting stronghold and the name represents warrior fighting unit, and the blacksmiths, leaving two tribe names as Bessi, and Dii. I would claim a Hyperborean, Buri, or Burjan component. This deity is represented as riding a horse, and the horse treads on a serpent below. This would be the early Zeus, as a Hyperborean in Thrace regions. Relates to Dionysus. An early American (USA) flag exhibits a coiled snake, and reads: "Don't Tread On Me". Used in war efforts as a military flag of sorts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabazios

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Perperikon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrae

Satrae are the blacksmiths. Gold and silver are two metals I've read.

I want to narrow the information to connect Lycia, and the Carian-Zeus of Anatolia. First I'll attach a web page with an ancient Lycia coin, and note the horse-serpent artwork. Only seven of these coins exist today, as stated therein.

http://mihalkam.anci.../giiilycia.html

Now I want to relate to St. George as the same god/s, where from, he was taken to replace this earlier pagan god, as the "dragon slayer".

http://en.wikipedia...._and_the_Dragon

More detail for Lycia (wolf).

http://en.wikipedia..../Tomb_of_Payava

Heradotus claims that the Satrae was among the priestly caste, and Bessi as interpreters of the prophetic utterances given by a priestess in an oracular shrine of Dionysus located on the mountaintop.

I think this answers several of Puzzlers questions on the Thracian peoples, and a ground location on a map, with various dates, and connections such as Phrygia.

I will now deal with the hexagram-auroral connection. The Sami tambourine shows this hexagram, or Hexagon, but I'll redefine as a "hex-pie-shapes, inside a circle". An emerald would be a hexagon inside a hex-six-sided border, or I see as a true hexagon without the "X" cross-marks in the center, as in geometry. A Hexagram could have the "X"-type crossed lines, and a six-sided border, as similar. A hexagram/circle border is proper for the Minoan ring Puzzler attached, and which I claim can be an aurora, and modeled from an emerald, as equivalent. I should note that one definition for the Slavic Svetovid (Triglav roots-trinity-fusion of three gods) is linked to Sabazios, where he is defined as a sun-god, world seer, (svet-world, vid-sight), and also as the "dawning-raising of the sun". He has the Slavic hexagram-circle symbol, and is refered to as "sun" symbol - I'll say by most.

Now the Sami folks in Norway also use this symbol, where I claim it originates, because it represents an aurora, and this is where auroral activities occur, or as Hyperborean - Aurora Borealis.

I'll attach the sami artwork-drum head. Also called a sun-circle.

  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/S%C3%A1mi_mythology_shaman_drum_Samisk_mytologi_schamantrumma_186.png

The Bessi also has another definition written by Nicetus (4th century), the Bishop of Dacia (Romania), "brought the gospel to those mountain wolves, the Bessi". Note the information about the Bessi and Mt. Sinai. I'll wait on this part, for now.

I'll attach a web site for the Getae as to mean "goat". Herein is a reference to Kassites as Guti (goat). Also Dionysus word, from Zagreaus word, or Zagros Mts people. Another reference as Eurotas, as Polycaon - "Po River wolf peoples". Both Burjan and Hyperboreans have early references to Po River Valley. I haven't decided how to weight these factors fully, but they draw a common picture for some of my data points in my archive bin for my key tribe study, as 'soft' data.

Can these factors be found among the Trojans, or the Basque? Trojans; yes, Basque; I'm still working but have more data to analyze yet. These myths may prove to be helpful for Basque-myth analysis. Not simple.

I'll attach the other Goth-Gatae review.

http://www.tribwatch.com/hermes.htm

I can find various Eastern Persian, Anatolian, and Central Asian parts to these histories encompassed within this Goth history. Some of my earlier data points may show up here, and I can't cover the full extent of this research, nor, confirm the results claimed therein. I can nit-pick some of this though. I'm adding this to broaden the Thracian and Macedonian histories, and possible tribal solutions for locations, and dates. Is Gorgan Iran their earlier history?

I think this relates my tribal part in Thrace, and gives specific archaeological ruins known today. The terms Hyperborean and Zeus, I see as transparent here, at this point in time. Afterall, Burjan tribe is part of Bulgarians, the name of Thrace today, Bulgaria, who trace to Balhara (Bactria), if I have this correct. Should also be the Boreads (ship builders)as well.

One can see how the Caucasus weighs in to this, but I have to narrow the margins further to see where my tribe falls into the scope of histories here, that includes many, many tribes. I can match Amazons in many locations, so they are likely affiliated with my key tribe study, or, as confederated warriors over a long period of time, and symmetrical migration locations, most around the Black Sea, Lemnos Isle, Greece, and early in the Pontic regions.

This will also allow a route from Georgia to Macedonia, as people from the Caucasus. This allows St George definiton for the country name Georgia, which was an earlier al-Burjan, and/or Colchus Empires, and Van Empires of the Pontic.

Note the Amazons in these readings. I can maybe account for them as affiliates, and their coins have wolf headgear on some, like helmets. Amazons likely adopted wolf-tamga along the way, but could be source origin perhaps. I contend the wolf starts in Siberia, as Buryan tribe shamans.

I've learned that Buri is also the name of a son of Genghis Khan. Here the name means "wolf". Genghis has a strange pedigree as he may be a b****** child of a Rus woman, wherein, his father returned to Mongolia after winning a battle with the Rus, and brought their king to Mongolia. He (Genghis) is said to have blond-hair and blue-eyes, and of the Burjan, (the Buri tribe is next to the Rus) so this son's name could in fact be of the Buri-wolf tribe, his mother's side of his parents, out of wedlock to his father as a captive-women of Rus tribe. I have text that states this as a tribe called Burjan (I claim as equivalent, and Boreans). Herein may be the "wolf" part of Genghis Khan's nickname I've read about, but without the details. None-the-less, his roots, and Atilla's in the tribe Borjinin, or Burte Chino (Blue-Wolf) of Mongolian mythology is what I claim as the Buri tribe anyway at Genghis dates. They are part of the Golden Horde confederation, at Genghis dates, and Buryats (Buryan) millenniums prior to this. Many Mongolians are believed to be of Siberian roots, different that the Chinese, but some overlaps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCri

See if this cleans up the landscape some. The Minoan Ring contains an elaborate amount of information, which is definable fully, I think. Same shamans in my book. See what you think? Are these peoples one in the same? I feel good on this Thracian part, because I think I'm making progress on my theory and this location has proved difficult on a good day. See if this adds up, or not. Also, can the Vinca Culture (Macedonian earliest locales) encompass these blacksmiths, in Thrace, too? GGG guy.

[GGG guy]

My previous attachment above failed for the Sami tambourine and their hex-circle symbol can be found within the wiki page for the Slavic god Svetovid, Ill attach here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetovid

I should also correct my past statement regarding Hercules dog, and the Tyre purple dye myth. Hurcules can be actually Heracles. as he hails from Tyre. Two different roots, and names, or maybe not. I'm not certain yet. Some historians don't intermix them as equivalent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurcules

I think the wiki pages here show equivalence, but I have yet to review them more.

See what the Sami hex-circle may mean. Sun or Aurora? GGG guy.

[GGG guy]

There is another site in Thrace lands where the name Sboryanova shows up in an archaeological site current active. This name translates as "the City of Wolves". I see S-Boryan-ova. Here Bory is equivalent to Buri, and they both mean "wolf or wolves", even in Siberian-Mongolian languages of the east. I'll attach a page on the Huns that allows a Bori to mean wolf. I also need to correct my past state regarding Genghis Khan's (his orignal name to mean "of iron", where Temur means "iron", and tai means "of")son named Buri (wolf) as defined in the previous attachments I placed in the blog. Buri was actually Genghis's grand-son, or the son of his 3rd son, and links to Chagatai, his 2nd son, where this name means "he who is white". Chagan means white. Another word of interest is "chinua" which is Mongolian for "wolf", too.

I'll attach two references for these words in Mongolian translations.

http://www.historyfi...rbarianHuns.htm

http://www.s-gabriel.../mongolian.html

Note that Buri and Chagatai are related to Afghanistan, and Hindu-India, where: Taj Mayhal has the Burjan octagon tower, both built by Shah Jahan, and his dynasty is tied through Moghuls to Genghis Khan's clan by way of inter-marriage into this Moghul dynasty. I contend that towers called Burj, or Burjan comes from a Sky God root interpretation. Similar to mountain peaks we also cal Burgs, or Bergs.

I also claim that in Sboryanovo (Thrace-Bulgaria), is yet the tribe I'm tracing through history. I think this wiil aid the answer to Puzzler's original question, that is to say that the Hyperboreans, or Boryan's in Thrace are the same people of the east, and the name used is testimony to this fact. And they are the "blacksmiths" as one of there fundamental occupations, likey, as the folks who created the coins, such as the Lycian coins I previously attached.

I am working on Georgia to obtain a better definition for an Iberian sub-group by tribal name, wherein, I would then connect this to Iberian Spain, and therein, to Basque regions perhaps, too.

In Thrace, the site called Sboryanova, I would claim is of a Boryan, or Buryan tribe, and they are indeed the "City of Wolves" as described in the historical text concerning this archaeology.

http://mgu.bg/geoarc...s/77Gergova.pdf

http://www.instituta...e/eph-VI-04.pdf

http://balkancelts.w...lass-artifacts/

Glass is of Middle Eastern, Lebanon invention.

I have another Tribewatch page that can provide some information on Biblical wolf tribes and their possible names and locations in this region. A lot of data is presented herein, however, I only need the notions concerning wolves, for our purpose herein. The question would be, can these wolf tribe names be incorporated into my wolf-tribe global model. I think I need more work on this region, however, I think I can assimilated them, whether or not Tribewatch has the correct explanations in their characterizations. This report is quite interesting none-the-less, but I would question some of the speculations incorporated into these translations, and geographic locations.

http://www.tribwatch.com/opis.htm

See if this helps on the Thrace questions, and if Buri=Bori=wolf. I see this as inescapable for fundamental 1st principles, and this is very important to my concept, or anyone else thats cares to venture down this path. So yes, a Buryan/Burjan/Borean/and Burian (my surname of Bohemia) is all of this same "wolf tribe", and of these very regions, at the dates indicated from the archaeology, and yes, they are the blacksmiths, and gate-keepers of the underworld, as I've already stated many times.

I'm working for better clarity on Georgia, and I am making headway, but will need more time to answer some of the questions with good evidence to make a stand for a wolf-tribe in the Cacausus regions. Azerbaijan is yet holding its ground. Be back soon, and yes, I can trace a "SURNAME" orgins roots globally. See if this doesn't up-the-ante on this question regarding tracing surnames. GGG guy.  

[GGG guy]

I've found a web site called "A New View of the Authurian Legends" by Susan V. Tomory. This has a Magyar linguistics factor concerning Stonehenge type structures. It also gives us this independant analysis of the Avebury henge name, and Silbury Hill name, closeby to Avebury.

http://www.magtudin....thur part 4.htm

I contend that this writeup closely matches the data points I've already made in this blog concerning these same names, and Picts. One should note that the paper ultimately describes these ancestors as Hyperboreans, and Siberians, exactly as I would suggest. However, they also provide some global locations, and affiliated "Magyar" type tribes. I can honestly say that I'm stuck in the Caucasus between Magyars, Georgians, Iberians, Albanians, Serbians, and Croatians. I believe all of these tribal names relate to Caucasus ancestors, but I'm seeking very specific tribal name, and thus Azerbaijan is at issue if Azer and Baijan are discrete to this end. On the previous attachment, the town of Gorgun in Azerbaijan, relative to Gorgan "Land of Wolves" in Iran follows quite well. However, the date time frame is 3-5,000 BC, and Azerbaijan has a salt mine that carries this date, equally so.

Not to speculate too much, I'll point out some items in the attached page that would align with my previous comments, and/or, confirm some aspects of Magyars, and ring stone fabricators, if they are indeed the Magyar-Druids as the paper strongly suggest. I generalize Magyars as Iron Age into Europe, or post Trojan War migrations, but I may be off a bit even if this is a time when many of these very same Magyars flooded into Europe. This is the same issue I have with Hyperborean, or related tribe names I claim to be them.

Watch for this in the paper;

"stones have healing properties" ref India, where they grind up emeralds and eat the dirt.

Druid priest as; "the Druids also who were the Hyperboreans - according to Greek legends", i.e. Apollo.

"the Druid 19-year calendar", or the Year of Meton. Recall the Minoan Axe - tree of life, and Leap Year. This allows the Stonehenge's 56-stones in the circle. Also, Solar-Lunar cycle, and alignments of the structures.

The name "Ko Kor" as "stone circle". Seems to be same as Kokko, the Norse phoenix bird, and town name in Norway. Is root to English word "church".

Transylvania, "eternal fire" and hill of charcoal found on location. Keeper of the light priests.

Druid priest named Mog Ruith - they link to Siberian or Central Asian shamans.

Reference to order of great world religions (see tabulation in their text), per professor Goeffrey Ashe, wherein, they all stem from Hyperborean ancestors.

Magyar holy number "7", and aligns with the Georgian 7-wings sun wheel symbol. I think this is the 7-tribes of Idel, or 7-languages, that later, also became the Biblical 7-churches. Buryan/Borean/Burjan is one of these language groups. I'm not certain of a 7-tribes of Idel analysis yet, and I have weak data for this confederation, that is supposed to be very old, or prior to these other uses for the number "7".

Druids had sacred Oak tree, as in Sea Henge in Norfolk.

Words Avebury and Silbury definitions, close to some we've postulated. I'm undecided on their extrapolation, but can be workable if they are correct. I see the Druid priest part as predominant, so these are the real players at the earliest dates in my opinion.  

The idea postulated of the "bore" tamga of "Black-Huns", and the "wolf" tamga of the "White-Huns". This would allow a sub-Hunnic group which I'm tracing by way of the wolf, if I have my house in order. I have difficulty separating sub-Hunnic groups, but this information can be useful. They are Huns none-the-less, so this is a mute point in a global landscape as we are attempting to assimilate.

I would suggest this paper matches a lot of my data and sub groups, even in the Isle of Man, Canary Isles, and the Picts. Belgium plays in as well. The Fir Bolg should conform as well, if you asked me.

See if this is manageable, or believable? GGG guy.

[The Puzzler]

Hi GGG, I admit I havent been in this thread for a while but will catch up and always looking for clues. I was just reading about the chestnut and came across this:

The fruit is contained in a spiny (very sharp) cupule 5–11 cm in diameter, also called "bur" or "burr".^[23] The burrs are often paired or clustered on the branch^[18] and contain one to seven nuts according to the different species, varieties and cultivars.^{[1][2][24][25]} Around the time the fruits reach maturity, the burrs turn yellow-brown and split open in 2 or 4 sections. They can remain on the tree longer than they hold the fruit, but more often achieve complete opening and release the fruits only after having fallen on the ground; opening is partly due to soil humidity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chestnut

Remember the bur? I think that's probably what the Burian name is related to. "He who lives among the weeds", burs. But the word goes on to mean possibly burgh, cage and fortress. I'll have a look what you have posted because the wolf thing certainly has merit, just get my head back around it lol.