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[Still Waters]

www.dailymail.co.uk said:

A man has become Britain's first male mum despite being born a women and undergoing a sex change.

The man, who is in his thirties, gave birth last year, according to the Beaumont Society transgender support group.

The Society's Joanna Darrell said the man had approached the group asking for advice about having a baby.

She said: 'We had a general inquiry to the Beaumont Society.

'The society, all it does is provide information and acts as an information hub for people to find data about specific things, and we are able to refer them to more specialist organisations.

She added: 'We sometimes get people coming back to say thanks for our help. He got back in touch and said he had had the baby.'

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I always wonder in cases like this how committed they are to having a sex change. This person must have opted to keep her/his womb etc, yet wants to be a male but in reality is part male and part female so what's the point I ask myself.

[Beckys_Mom]

Still Waters, on 12 February 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

I always wonder in cases like this how committed they are to having a sex change. This person must have opted to keep her/his womb etc, yet wants to be a male but in reality is part male and part female so what's the point I ask myself.

Exactly... And what hell is the child going to have later on in life?  More so when other kids find out about it and taunt the kid more.. Kids an be cruel..

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 12 February 2012 - 04:55 PM.

[Wickian]

So she isn't a male at all, she is just a women who underwent surgery and hormone treatments.  I don't understand what's so news worthy about this.

[Desolo]

When I first read the title of the post, I said to myself, "What in the hell is going on over in Britain??..." It's reassuring to know that our friends in the UK haven't decided to genetically alter men to give birth...

[and then]

I'll probably be excoriated for this but here goes...Has a study ever been commissioned to see what kinds of emotional/mental problems children of transgendered parents fall victim to?  I am NOT hating on anyone, I just cannot imagine that a child raised in such circumstances (no matter how loving a home)could avoid harassment or even outright abuse from other children and possibly even adults.  At best it would be incredibly challenging for parent and child...

[itsnotoutthere]

I think essentially all this story highlights is that this female isn't & has never been male despite all the messing about with her body.

[conspiracybeliever]

I have no understanding of why people do these kinds of things. I'm sorry but when you start having all these operations to change yourself, and I'm not just talking sex changes, you have mental issues that can't be corrected with surgery. And I'm not talking all. There are things that need correcting but.....  

[Verneph]

itsnotoutthere, on 13 February 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

I think essentially all this story highlights is that this female isn't & has never been male despite all the messing about with her body.

I agree. If someone wants to be a male, why on earth would they then give birth to a child? That's not a male thing to do. That is actually the exact opposite of the male's purpose in reproduction.

And as for "first male mother", that's a load of bull. She isn't a male, not physically anyway, and she's only advertising that fact by giving birth to a child.

[Beckys_Mom]

Verneph, on 15 February 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

I agree. If someone wants to be a male, why on earth would they then give birth to a child?

I know there is no sense in it..If a girl wants to be a male, she should go the whole hog and have the womb removed too..I thought the idea is to have no female hormones and extras left?

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 17 February 2012 - 01:19 AM.

[Mike D boy]

What the transgender activist groups are getting at is the right for male to carry and deliver babies naturally (if they have the parts needed for pregnancy and birthing a child), but are biologically (and legally) females to have it possibly done. No more we have the endless controversial debate on abortion (Pro-Life vs. Pro-choice), because we're in a whole new era of gender relations. I posted two versions of 'I'm every woman' on the forum today and now I'm like wondering in this amazing "truth is stranger than fiction" world: A few men are female on the inside and will pursue their lives as women, including biological motherhood.

[itsnotoutthere]

Mike the Autist-ic, on 17 February 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

What the transgender activist groups are getting at is the right for male to carry and deliver babies naturally (if they have the parts needed for pregnancy and birthing a child), but are biologically (and legally) females to have it possibly done. No more we have the endless controversial debate on abortion (Pro-Life vs. Pro-choice), because we're in a whole new era of gender relations. I posted two versions of 'I'm every woman' on the forum today and now I'm like wondering in this amazing "truth is stranger than fiction" world: A few men are female on the inside and will pursue their lives as women, including biological motherhood.

"What the transgender activist groups are getting at is the right for male to carry and deliver babies naturally".......Anyone else spot the flaw with this sentence?

Edited by itsnotoutthere, 17 February 2012 - 06:56 AM.

[Mike D boy]

uh yeah, I forgot to add the "s" on the end of the word "male" (my bad) unless you're indicating the gender of these men are actually wo-men.

I'm not trying to appear rude or start off with puns, there's a humongous debate in both politics and science on what it means to be male or female, when one is born in a different body have a different mind to determine what gender (s)he really is and to decide on gender reassigment surgery to become a "him" or "her".

Edited by Mike the Autist-ic, 17 February 2012 - 10:47 AM.

[Verneph]

Mike the Autist-ic, on 17 February 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

uh yeah, I forgot to add the "s" on the end of the word "male" (my bad) unless you're indicating the gender of these men are actually wo-men.

I'm not trying to appear rude or start off with puns, there's a humongous debate in both politics and science on what it means to be male or female, when one is born in a different body have a different mind to determine what gender (s)he really is and to decide on gender reassigment surgery to become a "him" or "her".

What does it mean to be male or female? Okay, I can answer this: Do you have a 'Y' chromosome or a second 'X' chromosome? 'Y' means male. 'X' means female. Period.

All gender reassignment surgery does is alter someone's outward appearance to make them appear to be the gender that they were not born with, but ultimately you cannot completely change a person's physical gender. Sure, (s)he might feel like (s)he is the opposite gender on the inside. But science is not at the point where you can just up and change the body you were born in. "Gender reassignment surgery" might make someone feel better about themselves, but it's all on the surface. It's just plastic surgery and hormonal treatments to give the body a more feminine or masculine appearance, depending on what the person wants. Those chromosomes will always be as they are, and you just can't change that.

I'm sorry if I sound cold to what is probably a very sensitive issue for some, but it's the truth.

[itsnotoutthere]

Verneph, on 17 February 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

What does it mean to be male or female? Okay, I can answer this: Do you have a 'Y' chromosome or a second 'X' chromosome? 'Y' means male. 'X' means female. Period.

All gender reassignment surgery does is alter someone's outward appearance to make them appear to be the gender that they were not born with, but ultimately you cannot completely change a person's physical gender. Sure, (s)he might feel like (s)he is the opposite gender on the inside. But science is not at the point where you can just up and change the body you were born in. "Gender reassignment surgery" might make someone feel better about themselves, but it's all on the surface. It's just plastic surgery and hormonal treatments to give the body a more feminine or masculine appearance, depending on what the person wants. Those chromosomes will always be as they are, and you just can't change that.

I'm sorry if I sound cold to what is probably a very sensitive issue for some, but it's the truth.

Which is my point exactly.
The sentence ....."the right for male to carry and deliver babies naturally" doesn't make any sense because no male can 'carry and deliver babies'  naturally or otherwise.

[voidla]

If he wanted a child and was born in a female body, then the only time he would be able to give birth biologically would be before he had the full sex-change.

Kids get be bullied for anything, get over the fact the child will have a parent who was born female but changed to male via surgery.

Children are innocent until they're told what's "right" and "wrong" so unless the child comes across this message board, they won't see anything wrong about their father.