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[CakeOrDeath]

I've noticed several threads where someone will discuss dealing with spirits or contacting spirits via ouija game board or whatever.
Then several people will chime in and say,"it's best not to summon the spirits or use ouija game boards because bad things will happen."
I guess I am asking you to share your "bad" experiences and let us know what you did happen and how you survived the ordeal.

[John from Lowell]

Those who can avoid being fearful will not have any truly bad experiences.

I have one example that I can share which I hope be useful.

http://www.telepathy....php?topic=99.0

When there is no fear, you are able to sense how best to deal with any circumstance.

John

[Simbi Laveau]

The reason we say to not do it,is because most people are not prepared to get rid of any entity ,that might show up.
It can be very random.
The average person cannot deal with a possible demonic entity ,coming to your sleep over party.
When you open a door to the other side,you basically are playing Russian roulette.
Aunt Matilda might come say hi,or a demonic entity can come roost in your house.
When I say demonic entity,it doesn't mean Belial or Satan.
There are hundreds of demonic spirits.Their nature is to lie,to boot.
So a demonic spirit might come,and SAY it's aunt Matilda.

If you dont know how to banish it,and close the door you opened,you can end up with a host of nasty problems.
People who do this,generally,have never dealt with true spirits ,and 16 year olds who think they are witches who do this,are completely clueless.
Its just dangerous for most people to do,given it can have some dire consequences.

[B Jenkins]

missymoo999, on 26 February 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

The reason we say to not do it,is because most people are not prepared to get rid of any entity ,that might show up.
It can be very random.
The average person cannot deal with a possible demonic entity ,coming to your sleep over party.
When you open a door to the other side,you basically are playing Russian roulette.
Aunt Matilda might come say hi,or a demonic entity can come roost in your house.
When I say demonic entity,it doesn't mean Belial or Satan.
There are hundreds of demonic spirits.Their nature is to lie,to boot.
So a demonic spirit might come,and SAY it's aunt Matilda.

If you dont know how to banish it,and close the door you opened,you can end up with a host of nasty problems.
People who do this,generally,have never dealt with true spirits ,and 16 year olds who think they are witches who do this,are completely clueless.
Its just dangerous for most people to do,given it can have some dire consequences.

This was well said. It is not wise to get one's self entangled in this because these spirits can wreck a life, traditionally they are said to commit evil secrete counsels and nasty dispositions amongst those under thier sphere of  control.

[Simbi Laveau]

dside, on 26 February 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

This was well said. It is not wise to get one's self entangled in this because these spirits can wreck a life, traditionally they are said to commit evil secrete counsels and nasty dispositions amongst those under thier sphere of  control.

Thank you
I've seen it happen,and sometimes the person can do nothing,and something can follow you home.
But invitation ,are seen as a dare but such entities.They enjoy causing problems.
Not always,some spirits are just mischievous and quite benign,but to do this,its best to be prepared.

[CakeOrDeath]

missymoo999, on 27 February 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

Thank you
I've seen it happen,and sometimes the person can do nothing,and something can follow you home.
But invitation ,are seen as a dare but such entities.They enjoy causing problems.
Not always,some spirits are just mischievous and quite benign,but to do this,its best to be prepared.

So follow-up question, you seem very well versed in all this demon stuff.  Have you personally toussled with one of these entities?  And have you looked at Sakari's thread asking sincerely for anyones assistance in summoning one of these baddies?

Because I keep running into this: Don't mess wtih entities if you are not a medium/believer, yet when a non-medium/non-believer tries to go against the warnings and "see for himself" he can't get an entity and is told, "duh you aren't a sensitive or medium so you can't summon."

So why warn people if only the special ones with powers can summon them anyways?

[regretsz]

lolz... just don't try to call a demon or some random spirit. because, the cost may be high as in your soul might be bound to that particular thing.

[B Jenkins]

CakeOrDeath, on 27 February 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

So follow-up question, you seem very well versed in all this demon stuff.  Have you personally toussled with one of these entities?  And have you looked at Sakari's thread asking sincerely for anyones assistance in summoning one of these baddies?

Because I keep running into this: Don't mess wtih entities if you are not a medium/believer, yet when a non-medium/non-believer tries to go against the warnings and "see for himself" he can't get an entity and is told, "duh you aren't a sensitive or medium so you can't summon."

So why warn people if only the special ones with powers can summon them anyways?

People can be held captive by the devil and do his will without being aware of it.

[Seeker79]

Mehhhh. All Hollywood. Spirits do not have human motivations. But that dosnt stop us from scaring ourselves into thinking they do.  Why dont you ask those who have face to face interactions with them instead of all regurgitation of fear mongering lore and hype.

[B Jenkins]

Seeker79, on 27 February 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Mehhhh. All Hollywood. Spirits do not have human motivations. But that dosnt stop us from scaring ourselves into thinking they do.  Why dont you ask those who have face to face interactions with them instead of all regurgitation of fear mongering lore and hype.

Those speaking from personal experiences beg to differ.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

dside, on 28 February 2012 - 03:23 AM, said:

Those speaking from personal experiences beg to differ.

Not everyone. Not everyone sees it the same way you do. The sooner people simply just realise that there can be multi positions and perspectives to anything experienced, then the sooner people will stop trying to insist their way is the only right way. I understand why certain people tag their experiences demon, evil and everything fear based imaginabley possible. But I ask those who do take this particular view, do you understand or care to consider why there are people who do not interpret their experiences as demon, evil or so fearfully as you do?

[Seeker79]

dside, on 28 February 2012 - 03:23 AM, said:

Those speaking from personal experiences beg to differ.

I'm am speaking from experience. Once you learn about yourself and overcome all these fears, you find that all that evil is in your mind. You rise above it and you surrender yourself to the light. All this "evil" dogma is a manifestation of lower evolutionary fears left to run wild in the undisciplined mind. Nothing is as it seems.

[B Jenkins]

AnVil, on 28 February 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Not everyone. Not everyone sees it the same way you do. The sooner people simply just realise that there can be multi positions and perspectives to anything experienced, then the sooner people will stop trying to insist their way is the only right way. I understand why certain people tag their experiences demon, evil and everything fear based imaginabley possible. But I ask those who do take this particular view, do you understand or care to consider why there are people who do not interpret their experiences as demon, evil or so fearfully as you do?

I know my own experiences and as far as other people's experiences I cant say, but demons will use misguided individuals to mislead others. Evil spirits may even empower this individual in earthy wisdom and counterfeit spirituality including prophetic utterings and secret knowledge in essence recruiting them. Take the Scriptures for instance, it warns dont even go there, dont look dont taste dont touch as the devil roams like a lion seeking souls to devour. When one looks, when one tastes, when one touches that attracts demonic activity there is a duplicit play every side nature here that needs to be avoided and shunned. In that regards, the presentation of Captain Howdy in The Exorcist has a great deal of realism IMO up til the actual possession of Regan.

When an individual has a healthy respect it may be one of the best safeguards and insurances against possible demonic activity.

[B Jenkins]

Seeker79, on 28 February 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

I'm am speaking from experience. Once you learn about yourself and overcome all these fears, you find that all that evil is in your mind. You rise above it and you surrender yourself to the light. All this "evil" dogma is a manifestation of lower evolutionary fears left to run wild in the undisciplined mind. Nothing is as it seems.

I dont speak about my experiences or rather I am not ready to. To each his own.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

dside, on 28 February 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

I know my own experiences and as far as other people's experiences I cant say, but demons will use misguided individuals to mislead others. Evil spirits may even empower this individual in earthy wisdom and counterfeit spirituality including prophetic utterings and secret knowledge in essence recruiting them. Take the Scriptures for instance, it warns dont even go there, dont look dont taste dont touch as the devil roams like a lion seeking souls to devour. When one looks, when one tastes, when one touches that attracts demonic activity there is a duplicit play every side nature here that needs to be avoided and shunned. In that regards, the presentation of Captain Howdy in The Exorcist has a great deal of realism IMO up til the actual possession of Regan.

When an individual has a healthy respect it may be one of the best safeguards and insurances against possible demonic activity.

Fine but you clearly use said scriptures to interpret your experiences --for you--... That is the difference between you and I. I can't speak for anyone else either, but I don't assume other people see things the same way I do, or that what a religious script says is the full 100% guaranteed truth. because it again is merely an interpretaion of something, which was interpreted by something and x that 100 times over.

Sure i believe it is possible that people can get mislead by what they channel, or used as a pawn by a being full-stop. But I have also questioned why this happens and have come to my own conclusions that such an experience can help a person not become fearful and locked in a box for the rest of their life, but to learn some fundamental truths about energy and consciousness in general. About how different levels of consciousness see things in different ways.

The level of the ego consciousness where fear exists and is the primal driving force behind peoples desires, wants and needs, and draconian structures/interpretations makes a being a very easy one to manipulate by just about anything, including and mostly even other human beings. IE. Dog eat dog world. What these scriptures say are based on fear concepts of basically being pawned by something but what it fails to educate about is  that the ego manipulation belongs only at the ego level.

Versus

The level of higher consciousness where fear is not the driving force, and so changes everything- My experience has been that there is a greater amount of clarity at this level and where the ego is not involved, ie ego engaging ego there is not these issues to contend with. The ego can not comprehend beyond the ego level and one has to elevate out of that to engage with other higher consciousness.

That's just my view on it. Nothing more, nothing less.