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[The Id3al Experience]

I love how us humans have all this free will and free speech.

Obviously it may be offensive to people. but i still beleive it shouldnt be banned. If you dont like it dont buy it. simple.

If you take offense to it. Get over yourself. Release your ego

http://www.stuff.co....-retailer-fined

Edited by The Id3al Experience, 14 February 2012 - 10:14 PM.

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You should know by now that all normal rights and privileges go out the window when religion is involved.

That band Cradle of Filth has a habit of getting banned in places, due to their shock rock themes.

Edited by Jerry Only, 14 February 2012 - 11:14 PM.

[Paranoid Android]

First, I disagree with the ruling - if you don't like a t-shirt, don't buy it.  But don't demand a retailer be fined for stocking a product.  Yes, even if that product is "Jesus is a c***".  And this coming from a Christian, shock horror.  

Second, I would think Cradle of Filth is using this logo as "shock value" more than anything - I don't think they've actually got anything against Jesus per se (more likely against the followers of Jesus).

Third - Cradle of Filth was one of my favourite bands when I was growing up.  Up until I heard this story I still was a big Cradle fan (though I haven't heard a lot of their newer stuff).  They've lost a fan today.  I've always known them to be non-Christian (or even anti-Christian) but I've always been able to push that aside.  With such marketing, I am not sure I can do that any longer (for the record, they would lose me as a fan if their shirt said "Mohammed was a c***", or "Siddhartha Gauatama was a c***", or even "L. Ron Hubbard was a c***".  I can't abide anything like it).

Edited by Paranoid Android, 14 February 2012 - 11:28 PM.

[and then]

Paranoid Android, on 14 February 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

First, I disagree with the ruling - if you don't like a t-shirt, don't buy it.  But don't demand a retailer be fined for stocking a product.  Yes, even if that product is "Jesus is a c***".  And this coming from a Christian, shock horror.  

Second, I would think Cradle of Filth is using this logo as "shock value" more than anything - I don't think they've actually got anything against Jesus per se (more likely against the followers of Jesus).

Third - Cradle of Filth was one of my favourite bands when I was growing up.  Up until I heard this story I still was a big Cradle fan (though I haven't heard a lot of their newer stuff).  They've lost a fan today.  I've always known them to be non-Christian (or even anti-Christian) but I've always been able to push that aside.  With such marketing, I am not sure I can do that any longer (for the record, they would lose me as a fan if their shirt said "Mohammed was a c***", or "Siddhartha Gauatama was a c***", or even "L. Ron Hubbard was a c***".  I can't abide anything like it).

I'd feel the same,PA.  I am Christian and I do not feel the need to publicly hate on other religions.  It's wrong, crass and boring.  I think the reason Christians are singled out for the most part is that we're an easy mark.  The haters depend on the dogma of Christianity to protect them.  Brave souls that they are, I wonder why they don't sell a "Mohammed is a whatever"..t shirt?  It's odd to me that a group of people need to attempt to publicly offend another group.

[psyche101]

It is also free speech to express when one is offended.

Sock Value sells, sex sells. People use these tactics often to sell, I always thought it was to make up for a lack of talent. I agree with PA. It is going out of your way to cheese people of to get a reaction. We should all be smarter than to fall for tactics. I applaud PA for dumping them on the grounds that their tactics shocked a fan into no longer buying their goods. I wish more people would do this so we can get back to relying on actual talent. It reminds me a little of when a New Zealand fellow was painting his backpacker vans with disgusting slogans. When sitting at the lights with your 6 year old daughter, and some crappy old noisy van rolls up at the lights with a slogan  telling women to “shut up and open their legs”, how do you explain what the slogan means to such a young child who can read? I pay taxes for a clean city. If it is in your face, I think one has the right to object, and lets face it, the twerps that think something like this is cool will probably hang out around a church smoking cigaretts or the like to get a reaction to the shirt. That is inciting anomosity, and I think we should be more mature as a species than this.

And PA brought up the most pertinent point, it is likely they are indifferent to the slogan, lets see these coward do the same with an Anti Islam rant. We all know how that would end.

Edited by psyche101, 15 February 2012 - 01:29 AM.

[xCrimsonx]

Some things are morally not acceptable, sooo ummm if I go and put my Achmed t-shirt on that says, "I keel YOU" am I gunna get blown out of the water? In this day and age your lucky if some wears enough to cover up appropipriately  let alone what's on their t-shirt.  Dissing god is harmless compared to what I've seen and read.
I find it offensive when I see women made to cover their face, but my tax dollars still has to put up with It. If your religious what are doing in a Novelty shop that sells them, Get back to church.

[Englishgent]

Well I dont believe in jesus but if I saw somebody wearing that 't' shirt I would find it offensive. Not because it had the word jesus, or whoever it was refering to, but just the use of the 'c' word, even with asterisks, is offensive. I just dont like the word. I dont like seeing it written and it's even worse hearing it being used.
But then I am a stuck up sticky beak Brit lol  

[psyche101]

Englishgent, on 15 February 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

Well I dont believe in jesus but if I saw somebody wearing that 't' shirt I would find it offensive. Not because it had the word jesus, or whoever it was refering to, but just the use of the 'c' word, even with asterisks, is offensive. I just dont like the word. I dont like seeing it written and it's even worse hearing it being used.
But then I am a stuck up sticky beak Brit lol  

Well, it might seem that I may well be a Bogan according to Bogan dot com. I like ACDC quite a lot, and do not mind a bit of Chisel either. However, I too cannot stand the use of the word, and also find public usage offensive. We Bogans have rather high moral values you see.

How does one explain this slogan to a child that might view the shirt, and can read? I think the issue is far larger than ones right to feel they are acting cool.

[psyche101]

xCrimsonx, on 15 February 2012 - 02:27 AM, said:

Some things are morally not acceptable, sooo ummm if I go and put my Achmed t-shirt on that says, "I keel YOU" am I gunna get blown out of the water? In this day and age your lucky if some wears enough to cover up appropipriately  let alone what's on their t-shirt.  Dissing god is harmless compared to what I've seen and read.
I find it offensive when I see women made to cover their face, but my tax dollars still has to put up with It. If your religious what are doing in a Novelty shop that sells them, Get back to church.

Good thing you were not too privy to Wicked Camper Vans, those slogans were downright derogatory to females in general. I Keel you is funny, and it's from the telly commercial about ring tones isn't it? But using the C word in public is just not on. People who buy this shirt will not exclusively wear it to adult venues only. It's not the dissing God bit, it's the C word in public. I can just see some angsty teen proudly displaying their rebellious nature at the local Shopping Centre and some little kid pointing and asking Mummy what that means. I used to have a Radiators T Shirt when I was a young man that displayed one of their hit songs names, and I am sure you know the track I mean, but I only wore it to Night clubs.

Didn't help either. Waste of 10 bucks. Should have claimed it on tax. I understand about the veil, I do not think it is appropriate in this country either, but that is not slander and swearing in little kids faces. This is. Like Graffiti cleaning, I expect the councils to clean this filth up as well.

Edited by psyche101, 15 February 2012 - 04:59 AM.

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psyche101, on 15 February 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

I Keel you is funny, and it's from the telly commercial about ring tones isn't it?

"I keel you" is what the hack comedian Jeff Dunham's puppet character "Achmed the Dead Terrorist"'s catchphrase is.

[Habitat]

The Id3al Experience, on 14 February 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

I love how us humans have all this free will and free speech.

Obviously it may be offensive to people. but i still beleive it shouldnt be banned. If you dont like it dont buy it. simple.

If you take offense to it. Get over yourself. Release your ego

http://www.stuff.co....-retailer-fined

So you wouldn't be upset if that word was applied directly to you, I take it ? I would automatically classify anyone wearing a t-shirt with such on it as a "grub". That is just my right to free thought !

[jules99]

The Id3al Experience, on 14 February 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

I love how us humans have all this free will and free speech.

Obviously it may be offensive to people. but i still beleive it shouldnt be banned. If you dont like it dont buy it. simple.

If you take offense to it. Get over yourself. Release your ego

http://www.stuff.co....-retailer-fined

Its just an immature shock value statement...I dont see anything wrong with the shirt being available, but like other explicit language or behaviour, is best kept away from the general public and viewed between consenting, irresponsible     adults

[Beckys_Mom]

The Id3al Experience, on 14 February 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

I love how us humans have all this free will and free speech.

Obviously it may be offensive to people. but i still beleive it shouldnt be banned. If you dont like it dont buy it. simple.

He sold a lot of them before they were banned..  It must mean a lot of people saw the humour in them  or thought they were cool..


I personally wouldn't wear anything that contained bad language on it.. I wouldn't care what it was.. BUT in saying that, I wouldn't complain about those who do wear them...

[xCrimsonx]

Englishgent said:

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Well I dont believe in jesus but if I saw somebody wearing that 't' shirt I would find it offensive. Not because it had the word jesus, or whoever it was refering to, but just the use of the 'c' word, even with asterisks, is offensive. I just dont like the word. I dont like seeing it written and it's even worse hearing it being used.
But then I am a stuck up sticky beak Brit lol  

psyche101 said:

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Well, it might seem that I may well be a Bogan according to Bogan dot com. I like ACDC quite a lot, and do not mind a bit of Chisel either. However, I too cannot stand the use of the word, and also find public usage offensive. We Bogans have rather high moral values you see.

How does one explain this slogan to a child that might view the shirt, and can read? I think the issue is far larger than ones right to feel they are acting cool.

Honestly that "word" is used waaaay too much down under,  "G'day ya, ____" how's it Goin ____? Not pretty. Achmed totally rocks btw. I got called It once by a scrag at the club, had her hands on my man bailed her up and she mouthed off called me a stupid such and such"so I kicked her ____ then proceeded to inform her, she won't be using hers any time soon.
Otherwise I refuse to use the word generally.Some t-shirts are funny , some so wrong they are far from amusing, vulgar mostly.Oh and when ever I see a turban or burka, it makes me sick, sorry but the news has done it too me.

[Kazahel]

Habitat, on 15 February 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

So you wouldn't be upset if that word was applied directly to you, I take it ? I would automatically classify anyone wearing a t-shirt with such on it as a "grub". That is just my right to free thought !

I wouldnt care if that word was applied to me. It would probably make me laugh.  It's not my style of clothing though but I guess some of the younger would like it. I wouldnt think of them as grubby. I would think of them as young.

Anyway I think its a little boring in this case and is trying too hard to get shock value. It needed a more poetic touch or something.

Mainly I think people should not be too offended. Jesus wouldve forgiven them I suppose because he was a smart...

Edited by Kazahel, 16 February 2012 - 02:07 AM.