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[drakke1]

This article is a spotlight revealing this dark "elite" family, its plans and its machinations, and its Nazi history both in Germany and in the U.S.

http://www.addicting....ate-the-kochs/

[Robin_Shadowes]

The link does not work. Can you fix it?

[Spectre1979]

Doesn't work for me either

[Rafterman]

drakke1, on 15 February 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

This article is a spotlight revealing this dark "elite" family, its plans and its machinations, and its Nazi history both in Germany and in the U.S.

http://www.addicting....ate-the-kochs/

About Addicting Info:

Addicting Info started as a resource to discredit all the lies and propaganda that the right-wing spreads.

So basically a left-wing fringe kook website has a problem with the Koch Brothers.  

Yeah, that's credible.

[rashore]

Here's a working link to the article... Addicting Info

[oly]

Simple matter of aptonymy.

[oly]

Rafterman, on 15 February 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

About Addicting Info:

what about the claims? Do you knee your postman in the balls when he pokes a bill through your door?

[Little Fish]

oly, on 18 February 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

what about the claims?

I don't see any evidence that the koch brothers have any connections to the nazis, other than a nazi named koch haveing the same name. the article isn't written very well and there are a number of inaccuracies and contradictory logic. for instance it states they created the tea party (they didn't) and then the article states they intend to take over the US government to install corporate fascism (that exists already), whereas the tea party and libertarianism is for a constitutional republic, civil liberties and small government, which is the opposite of fascism. just looks like a political smear to me. godwins law.

[oly]

Little Fish, on 18 February 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

I don't see any evidence that the koch brothers have any connections to the nazis, other than a nazi named koch haveing the same name. the article isn't written very well and there are a number of inaccuracies and contradictory logic. for instance it states they created the tea party (they didn't) and then the article states they intend to take over the US government to install corporate fascism (that exists already), whereas the tea party and libertarianism is for a constitutional republic, civil liberties and small government, which is the opposite of fascism. just looks like a political smear to me. godwins law.

I didn't even look at the link, just interested how people attack source rather than specific claims.

[Rafterman]

oly, on 18 February 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

what about the claims? Do you knee your postman in the balls when he pokes a bill through your door?

Who cares?  Anyone can make claims and given the source, I don't find anything credible about what they are claiming.

It's like the guy who recently posted about Mossad's funding of the 9/11 terrorists and his source was a website run by the Pakistani military.

Many around here seem to forget that the source does matter.

[oly]

Rafterman, on 18 February 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Who cares?  

Who cares whether claim is true?

[Rafterman]

oly, on 18 February 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Who cares whether claim is true?

No, who cares what admittedly biased websites claim.

Would you give credence to claims about Barack Obama made by a website run by David Duke or the KKK?

Perhaps you have time and/or care about such silliness, but I don't.

[oly]

Little Fish, on 18 February 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

I don't see any evidence that the koch brothers have any connections to the nazis, other than a nazi named koch haveing the same name.

it states they created the tea party (they didn't)

and then the article states they intend to take over the US government to install corporate fascism

"A high level Nazi official in charge of Prussia, Erich Koch invited Fred Koch to sell his oil in Nazi Germany after he was banned from doing business in the US.
...
Another family member, Karl Koch, was a colonel in the German SS and the first commandant of the Nazi concentration camps at Buchenwald."

You doubt they're related to the current pair of kochs?

They certainly seem to have funded the tea party..

" In 1963, Fred Koch gave a speech warning of “a takeover” of America in which Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the president is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us”."

[oly]

Rafterman, on 18 February 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

Would you give credence to claims about Barack Obama made by a website run by David Duke or the KKK?

I'd try not to dismiss claims just because I didn't like source, it's better to think for ourselves & verify stuff. Even if we conclude something, it's usually best to remember that we might be wrong. Makes it easier to modify theory to fit reality.

[Rafterman]

oly, on 18 February 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

I'd try not to dismiss claims just because I didn't like source, it's better to think for ourselves & verify stuff. Even if we conclude something, it's usually best to remember that we might be wrong. Makes it easier to modify theory to fit reality.

It has nothing to do with "liking" the source.  It has everything to do with giving no credence at all to the source.