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[Clyde the Glyde]

After watching last night's GHI episodes, I see Grant is already doing promos hypeing-up his last episodes and him leaving. So he ( or SYFY ) is milking this for all it's worth.

[mattryan209]

I think the producers of the show had Grant do most of the fakery,because appearance and demeanor wise he seems like a really nice,honest,and genuine guy. The show probably thought people would more likely believe something if it happened to him instead of Jason.I'm betting the producers and Jason had a serious talk with Grant concerning ratings and he got suckered into faking things a little but here,a little bit there until things get out of control.I've seen the videos on youtube where it shows that he does a lot more faking that just the jacketpull. The thing is when you have a person who has been pretty honest most of his life,and then have him lie,they're automatically going to fail,because they aren't going to be real skilled at deception. I think he came to terms with lying because he came to realize all "reality" shows are  not complete reality with most being heavily scripted so they'll keep the audience from getting bored and thus garner raings.

If he was a single man,with no wife or kids, he may have decided to leave sooner when he realized he'd have to sacrifice any integrity he had left for the show,but he's got a family to feed and he was probably making some darn good money on the show after a while.I'm sure he'd much rather be making a living ghost hunting than working at Rotor Rooter,wouldn't anyone? Now that he's been on the show for a while he's probably got enough money saved,so he can go back to school full time getting a job doing something he really likes,and start making an an honest living  

Edited by mattryan209, 26 April 2012 - 02:05 AM.

[Sakari]

mattryan209, on 26 April 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:

I think the producers of the show had Grant do most of the fakery,because appearance and demeanor wise he seems like a really nice,honest,and genuine guy. The show probably thought people would more likely believe something if it happened to him instead of Jason.I'm betting the producers and Jason had a serious talk with Grant concerning ratings and he got suckered into faking things a little but here,a little bit there until things get out of control.I've seen the videos on youtube where it shows that he does a lot more faking that just the jacketpull. The thing is when you have a person who has been pretty honest most of his life,and then have him lie,they're automatically going to fail,because they aren't going to be real skilled at deception. I think he came to terms with lying because he came to realize all "reality" shows are  not complete reality with most being heavily scripted so they'll keep the audience from getting bored and thus garner raings.

If he was a single man,with no wife or kids, he may have decided to leave sooner when he realized he'd have to sacrifice any integrity he had left for the show,but he's got a family to feed and he was probably making some darn good money on the show after a while.I'm sure he'd much rather be making a living ghost hunting than working at Rotor Rooter,wouldn't anyone? Now that he's been on the show for a while he's probably got enough money saved,so he can go back to school full time getting a job doing something he really likes,and start making an an honest living  

Why do people ( some ) try to defend their actions and make excuses?.........Sound like a bunch of co-dependance or enablers, actually that is what this is......Enablers and co-dependents.



  This baffling phenomenon is called enabling, which takes many forms, all  of which have the same effect -- allowing the subject to avoid the  consequences of his actions. This in turn allows the subject to  continue merrily along his (or her) lying ways, secure in the  knowledge that no matter how much they screw up, somebody will always be  there to rescue them from their mistakes.      





A simple description:

  Helping is doing something for someone that they are not capable of doing themselves.





Enabling is doing for someone things that they could, and should be doing themselves.


  

Simply, enabling creates a atmosphere in which the subject can comfortably continue their unacceptable behavior.













In co-dependent relationships, "We need each other," which can be a healthy thing, often covers over "I need you to need me"; this can lead to "I will keep you needy because, if you ever get better, I am afraid that you will leave me." This kind of interaction is grounded in desperation and often spawns abusive and obsessive relationships grounded in neediness and control rather than love and respect.




GH,GA,and other " paranormal groups " are  Narcisists.




Narcissists, with their ability to "get others to buy into their  vision and help them make it a reality," are natural magnets for the "'co-dependent' ... [with] the tendency to put others' need before their own".^[8] Sam Vaknin considered that codependents, as "the Watsons of this world, 'provide the narcissist with an obsequious, unthreatening audience ... the perfect backdrop.'"^[9]  Among the reciprocally locking interactions of the pair, are the way  "the narcissist has an overpowering need to feel important and special,  and the co-dependent has a strong need to help others feel that way. ...  The narcissist overdoes self-caring and demands it from others, while the co-dependent underdoes or may even do almost no self-caring."^[10]

In psychoanalytic terms, the narcissist "who manifests such 'omnipotent'  behaviour and who seems to be especially 'independent' exerts an  especially fascinating effect on all ... dependent persons ... [who]  struggle to participate in the 'omnipotent' narcissist's power"^[11]: narcissist and codependent "participate together in a form of an ego-defense system called projective identification."^[12]














" those poor guys, the devil made them do it "




Frauds, plain and simple.........Some have been taken by this, and most saw right through it, or do now.....



Break away man, break away.......

Edited by Sakari, 26 April 2012 - 02:55 AM.

[Ecto76]

I just think he's jumping ship before the "Captain" brings the ship down?

People take this show and many other shows way too seriously. What is on TV is for pure entertainment purposes only.

I've met and worked with "Ghost Hunters" and "Paranormal State". They are not the people they lead people to believe who they are on TV.

[mattryan209]

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Break away man, break away

I haven't watched Ghost Hunters since they first began and were looking in peoples homes trying to "help" people find whats the source of unexplained things happening in their homes.Back then they actually did seem to have a least a modicum of honesty. At first,both Grant and Jason seemed to have honest and direct motives coming from a skeptical point of view. I have probably watched only about 10 videos of Ghost Hunters total with most being  in the early days,and I remember them either not finding anything in the homeowners house,or suggesting a possibility though no certainty. Quite frankly I stopped watching back then because it was boring as heck,and it actually weakened my belief in the paranormal.In the early days,every time Jason and Grant submitted possible evidence for Ghostly activity,they submitted a more likely counterclaim with a more natural reason such as problems with the camera,wind,etc.

We can't say what their motives are for sure initially without a shadow of a doubt,but no in the beginning, I don't think they were frauds because if they were they would have been more like Ghost Adventures,Paranormal State where "ghost activity" is bouncing off the charts. These shows are GHost Hunter's competition,and they obviously had t find some way of competing.HMM lets see,what would most people rather see, a show where 2 guys stare in the dark for an hour and  nothing happens or 3 scared witless  prats led by dramaqueen Zak Bagans who's so scared of his hands shadow in the dark that he thinks its a demonic claw? I've gotta admit they may not be very believable,but they're as funny as hell to watch,.

Now no, I don't take this show too seriously,or any ghost hunting show on tv seriously,one should stop assuming that I need to break away from these shows,since I made a post which made an analysis based on my opinion of the motives of one of the cast members. That was done,as this post is out of sheer boredom,and thats perhaps why I frequent this site so much and can't get my self to "break away" from it because theirs an element of fun in it,though it does seem a tad stale as of late.

Oh, the last ghost hunting show I watched was Ghost Adventures about a year or so ago.I think I'll check out a vid of theirs  on youtube right now ,because i could use a good laugh

Edit,sorry I'm a little slow. You meant break away fro the Narcissist ie> Ghost Hunters and stop being a co-dependent by defending the show or its castmembers. I see no reason to defend them as I admit and it should be obvious to anyone they are frauds.I'm not really defending Grant either,just an analysis as to why he and the show turned to the dark side (ie fraud).You may believe they were frauds in the start,but we have a difference in opinion here,as I don't beleive they weren't obvious frauds in the beginning as I explained

Edited by mattryan209, 26 April 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[Sakari]

mattryan209, on 26 April 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

I haven't watched Ghost Hunters since they first began and were looking in peoples homes trying to "help" people find whats the source of unexplained things happening in their homes.Back then they actually did seem to have a least a modicum of honesty. At first,both Grant and Jason seemed to have honest and direct motives coming from a skeptical point of view. I have probably watched only about 10 videos of Ghost Hunters total with most being  in the early days,and I remember them either not finding anything in the homeowners house,or suggesting a possibility though no certainty. Quite frankly I stopped watching back then because it was boring as heck,and it actually weakened my belief in the paranormal.In the early days,every time Jason and Grant submitted possible evidence for Ghostly activity,they submitted a more likely counterclaim with a more natural reason such as problems with the camera,wind,etc.

We can't say what their motives are for sure initially without a shadow of a doubt,but no in the beginning, I don't think they were frauds because if they were they would have been more like Ghost Adventures,Paranormal State where "ghost activity" is bouncing off the charts. These shows are GHost Hunter's competition,and they obviously had t find some way of competing.HMM lets see,what would most people rather see, a show where 2 guys stare in the dark for an hour and  nothing happens or 3 scared witless  prats led by dramaqueen Zak Bagans who's so scared of his hands shadow in the dark that he thinks its a demonic claw? I've gotta admit they may not be very believable,but they're as funny as hell to watch,.

Now no, I don't take this show too seriously,or any ghost hunting show on tv seriously,one should stop assuming that I need to break away from these shows,since I made a post which made an analysis based on my opinion of the motives of one of the cast members. That was done,as this post is out of sheer boredom,and thats perhaps why I frequent this site so much and can't get my self to "break away" from it because theirs an element of fun in it,though it does seem a tad stale as of late.

Oh, the last ghost hunting show I watched was Ghost Adventures about a year or so ago.I think I'll check out a vid of theirs  on youtube right now ,because i could use a good laugh

Edit,sorry I'm a little slow. You meant break away fro the Narcissist ie> Ghost Hunters and stop being a co-dependent by defending the show or its castmembers. I see no reason to defend them as I admit and it should be obvious to anyone they are frauds.I'm not really defending Grant either,just an analysis as to why he and the show turned to the dark side (ie fraud).You may believe they were frauds in the start,but we have a difference in opinion here,as I don't beleive they weren't obvious frauds in the beginning as I explained

The Black


The Red



This  baffling phenomenon is called enabling, which takes many forms, all  of  which have the same effect -- allowing the subject to avoid the   consequences of his actions. This in turn allows the subject to   continue merrily along his (or her) lying ways, secure in the  knowledge  that no matter how much they screw up, somebody will always be  there  to rescue them from their mistakes.      



     Smile, I am half joking with you.......  

[mattryan209]

Sakari, on 26 April 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

The Black


The Red



This  baffling phenomenon is called enabling, which takes many forms, all  of  which have the same effect -- allowing the subject to avoid the   consequences of his actions. This in turn allows the subject to   continue merrily along his (or her) lying ways, secure in the  knowledge  that no matter how much they screw up, somebody will always be  there  to rescue them from their mistakes.      



     Smile, I am half joking with you.......  

No worries I can take jokes.I'm still going to make a defense of that statement because I'm bored That part does appear to look like I'm defending Ghost hunters and giving excuses for what they have become. From what I wrote though overall in my last post I'd make a pretty poor defense lawyer defending and rescuing Ghost hunters from their mistakes. My defense would be akin to me saying "My client Grant had never committed a crime for most of his life,but felt he had to in order to support his lifestyle.It all started when he became associated with a legitimate organization that turned into a criminal enterprise out of a necessity to support itself.Grant slowly became persuaded to commit crimes.At first it was petty theft which became grand theft and eventually that turned to murder(jacket pull). My client, with a heavy conscience considered leaving this organization and going back to making an honest living out of unplugging toilets ,but he couldn't get himself to leave because of the money and excitement this organization gave him.People of the courtroom,this man would either be out on the streets or worse,going back to cleaning toilets stopped up with foul smelling excrement. Put yourself in his shoes and consider carefully the circumstances.In closing,,ladies and gentleman of the court, if my client is declared by you not guilty,he has enough money  earned from his involvement with this criminal organization to put himself through schooling and go back to making an honest living,and  becoming the honest man he once was." I'd probably go to jail and be lose my license to practice law for making a mockery of the court

  In truth I never meant to really defend anybody.I'm really just rambling about my increasingly growing overall lack of faith in humanity in general,and how certain temptations can corrupt people who may have honest. There's been a number of people I've known personally and though very highly of who have sold their honesty,morals, and character to the devil so to speak because of money or similar temptations.I kind of lumped Grant into the same boat as these people It doesn't make these people any less guilty for what they've allowed themselves to become

Geez, I guess I have way too much time on my hands today

Edited by mattryan209, 26 April 2012 - 10:10 PM.

[Rafterman]

Just watched Grant's final episode last night - been on my DVR for a few weeks.

A quick comment - doesn't the fact that they investigated their own haunted inn somewhat invalidate the entire investigation?

You know, the haunted inn that they bought to turn into a "haunted tourist attraction"?