27 replies to this topic

[sgtxray]

I have heard it all - "NO" Bigfoot does not exist.  "YES" Bigfoot does exist.  I have listened to all of the "skeptics" and after speaking with them none have actually goine out into the wilderness to debunk footcasts, sounds, encounters, etc.  They are mostly "arm chair" skeptics working off of the internet.  On the other hand I have interviewed researchers who also never go out into the wilderness and examine footprints, stay nights to observe, or perform any field work, again self appointed experts who work off of the internet.  There are also those who exploit this topic for financial gain or attention.  I am a former law enforcement investigator and former military.  I live in the Pacific Northwest and spend much of my free time in remote mountain areas.  I was also a skeptic several years ago until I have some very interesting experiences in a two remote locations.  Yes, there is something unusual out there.  I have seen it and am still puzzled what it is.  I have recently consulted two scientists who have studied this topic as well as read a report concerning DNA testing.  I have also read military reports of special forces on night missions encountering whatever this is.  After reviewing all of the evidence and pondering my own personal experiences I have come to the conclusion something very unusual is out there and to me it appears to be a very large human??  Being a investigator with years of experience I can only depend on evidence obtained from what I see,hear,smell and taste (senses) then examine physical evidence.  Therefore my message to the "skeptics" and "researchers" go out there and see for yourself then report what you have found.  Spend several nights out in the mountains and do some real "research" or continue to be an internet "skeptic" or "researcher".

[evancj]

sgtxray, on 18 February 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

I have heard it all - "NO" Bigfoot does not exist.  "YES" Bigfoot does exist.  I have listened to all of the "skeptics" and after speaking with them none have actually goine out into the wilderness to debunk footcasts, sounds, encounters, etc.  They are mostly "arm chair" skeptics working off of the internet.  On the other hand I have interviewed researchers who also never go out into the wilderness and examine footprints, stay nights to observe, or perform any field work, again self appointed experts who work off of the internet.  There are also those who exploit this topic for financial gain or attention.  I am a former law enforcement investigator and former military.  I live in the Pacific Northwest and spend much of my free time in remote mountain areas.  I was also a skeptic several years ago until I have some very interesting experiences in a two remote locations.  Yes, there is something unusual out there.  I have seen it and am still puzzled what it is.  I have recently consulted two scientists who have studied this topic as well as read a report concerning DNA testing.  I have also read military reports of special forces on night missions encountering whatever this is.  After reviewing all of the evidence and pondering my own personal experiences I have come to the conclusion something very unusual is out there and to me it appears to be a very large human??  Being a investigator with years of experience I can only depend on evidence obtained from what I see,hear,smell and taste (senses) then examine physical evidence.  Therefore my message to the "skeptics" and "researchers" go out there and see for yourself then report what you have found.  Spend several nights out in the mountains and do some real "research" or continue to be an internet "skeptic" or "researcher".

Welcome back,

Don't you think it's a bit presumptuous to assume you are the only person who ever goes out into the wild lands?  

Have you found any new evidence since your last visit? If so lets have a look.

[Neognosis]

I'm an avid long distance ulralight backpacker.

bigfoot is not real.

And the burden of proof is on those making the silly claim that he is.

You also cannot logically prove a negative.

[Agg]

The burden of proof is, and will always be, on the people who make the claims that Bigfoot is real. And without indisputable evidence, like a dead Bigfoot, Im going to stay a skeptic.

[_Only]

Don't the Foot believers/searchers do all the legwork so the armchair skeptics don't have to? If they found any evidence of worth, surely the skeptic would have to take notice.

[evancj]

I sure this guy is "Bingma" he posted the same basic trash talking BS about a year ago. Here is his OP:

http://www.unexplain...telligence&st=0

bingma, on 21 January 2011 - 06:58 PM, said:

This topic has always puzzeled me.  I am former military (intelligence/special forces) and  a former state police investigator.  In those previous capacities I have seen many strange things.  I presently travel through the remote wilderness of the North Cascade mountains in Washington state exploring and photographing old abandoned mines.  During my travels recently I have spoken to several local residents of small towns in the areas.  They have told me of their personal and thier families/friends encounters with something very different while in these areas.  I am basically a skeptic but I am by nature "objective" in my beliefs.  So at the request of several of these people I began to travel to these areas to check out this "creature".  While in one of these areas I did have several unusual experiences.  One time on my way back to my vehicle (two miles away) I was followed by something very large for about a mile.  I stopped and it stopped, I walked and it walked.  It sounded like a large man through the forrest to the rear and uphill from me.  I could not see anything.  During another trip to the same area I was walking not far from a stream and as I passed a certain location someone or something started throwing rocks into the stream from across the stream from me.  The rocks came from a forrested area.  Again I stopped to investigate but could not see anything.  I am returning to that area soon again as when someone follows me and throws rocks towards me I want to know who or what is doing that.  I will find out!!  I am still basically a skeptic until I discover what these people have seen.  I have seen the tracks and therefore know something or someone is making "tracks".  Also all of these people I have spoken to have seen something?  What I don't know but plan to find out to settle all of the "hype" about this topic. If I find anything I will update everyone.

Take Care,

Bingma

If you read the thread you will see he is all talk and no action.

[Sakari]

sgtxray, on 18 February 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

I have heard it all - "NO" Bigfoot does not exist.  "YES" Bigfoot does exist. I have listened to all of the "skeptics" and after speaking with them none have actually goine out into the wilderness to debunk footcasts, sounds, encounters, etc.  They are mostly "arm chair" skeptics working off of the internet.  On the other hand I have interviewed researchers who also never go out into the wilderness and examine footprints, stay nights to observe, or perform any field work, again self appointed experts who work off of the internet.  There are also those who exploit this topic for financial gain or attention.  I am a former law enforcement investigator and former military.  I live in the Pacific Northwest and spend much of my free time in remote mountain areas.  I was also a skeptic several years ago until I have some very interesting experiences in a two remote locations.  Yes, there is something unusual out there.  I have seen it and am still puzzled what it is.  I have recently consulted two scientists who have studied this topic as well as read a report concerning DNA testing.  I have also read military reports of special forces on night missions encountering whatever this is.  After reviewing all of the evidence and pondering my own personal experiences I have come to the conclusion something very unusual is out there and to me it appears to be a very large human??  Being a investigator with years of experience I can only depend on evidence obtained from what I see,hear,smell and taste (senses) then examine physical evidence.  Therefore my message to the "skeptics" and "researchers" go out there and see for yourself then report what you have found.  Spend several nights out in the mountains and do some real "research" or continue to be an internet "skeptic" or "researcher".

Now you know that is not true, we have talked

I tried to PM you numerous times, you said in your topic you would " get back to us with results ".....What happened?

So, are you saying you only have personal experience ( seeing, hearing, smelling ) as evidence?.....No offense, but with all of the credentials you listed last time, and the equipment you showed us, getting a picture of a human should be childs play for you.I do believe you mentioned also how just personal experiences are not evidence, and how YOU are trained and could get evidence if any was to be had.

Oh well, I guess still no evidence........And as for skeptics not looking, you all ready heard from me, and what I have done....I live here ( Pacific Northwest ) and on land with no neighbors....I explained this all all ready.

I am surprised to see this topic after how you discussed the way you were going to handle it.Kind of reminds me of Todd Standing and " Sylvanic ".

[hucksterfoot]

Spaghettiphagus leaves an impact on the environment



- Photo I took in Deerlickaboo Valley. You won find that on Google maps either.

[Neognosis]

what's that photo supposed to show? Looks like some trees to me. Did a spaghetti eater bend them or something?

[vitruvian12]

evancj, on 18 February 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

I sure this guy is "Bingma" he posted the same basic trash talking BS about a year ago. Here is his OP:

http://www.unexplain...telligence&st=0



If you read the thread you will see he is all talk and no action.

That was my first thought when he described himself too.  Most likely using a new profile to hide the fact that his previous boasting produced nothing interesting or most likely it was never acted upon.

[orangepeaceful79]

The original post reminded me of the phenomenon known as " breaking wind", also known as "blowing it out your a$$"  

[Rafterman]

sgtxray, on 18 February 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

I have heard it all - "NO" Bigfoot does not exist.  "YES" Bigfoot does exist.  I have listened to all of the "skeptics" and after speaking with them none have actually goine out into the wilderness to debunk footcasts, sounds, encounters, etc.  They are mostly "arm chair" skeptics working off of the internet.  On the other hand I have interviewed researchers who also never go out into the wilderness and examine footprints, stay nights to observe, or perform any field work, again self appointed experts who work off of the internet.  There are also those who exploit this topic for financial gain or attention.  I am a former law enforcement investigator and former military.  I live in the Pacific Northwest and spend much of my free time in remote mountain areas.  I was also a skeptic several years ago until I have some very interesting experiences in a two remote locations.  Yes, there is something unusual out there.  I have seen it and am still puzzled what it is.  I have recently consulted two scientists who have studied this topic as well as read a report concerning DNA testing.  I have also read military reports of special forces on night missions encountering whatever this is.  After reviewing all of the evidence and pondering my own personal experiences I have come to the conclusion something very unusual is out there and to me it appears to be a very large human??  Being a investigator with years of experience I can only depend on evidence obtained from what I see,hear,smell and taste (senses) then examine physical evidence.  Therefore my message to the "skeptics" and "researchers" go out there and see for yourself then report what you have found.  Spend several nights out in the mountains and do some real "research" or continue to be an internet "skeptic" or "researcher".

One does not have to go to the Pacific Northwest to have an opinion on bigfoot.

In case you missed it, Bigfoot is seen in every state in the union thus requiring a breeding population nation-wide.

In all of my time in the woods of Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, and my new home in the Adirondacks, I have never seen, heard, or experienced anything out of the ordinary.  So I guess that's my report.

I would, however, be curious as to what your two scientists said that you consulted - I notice that you left that part out.  Also, please post links to these special forces reports.  I'd be interested in reading them.

[Sakari]

Rafterman, on 18 February 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

One does not have to go to the Pacific Northwest to have an opinion on bigfoot.

In case you missed it, Bigfoot is seen in every state in the union thus requiring a breeding population nation-wide.

In all of my time in the woods of Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, and my new home in the Adirondacks, I have never seen, heard, or experienced anything out of the ordinary.  So I guess that's my report.

I would, however, be curious as to what your two scientists said that you consulted - I notice that you left that part out. Also, please post links to these special forces reports.  I'd be interested in reading them.

I tried that in his last topic ( go back and read it, evancj posted it in a reply )........It borderlines " personal information ", and I never got any either way......I did talk to the OP about this, before he disapeared from the site, through email and other ways.....Anyway, check out the other topic, you will see where this is going.

I swear, it is Todd Standing and " Sylvanic " all over again, but without the big publicity.........I kind of think this may have been the plan all along.........Read about Sylvanic if you do not know what I mean.....I think the OP has, and did his home work.

[Silverbane81]

First let state the fact that I'm not a full 100% believer in bigfoot. But when you look at history, things dont add up. Mainly the reason i think there is "something" out there is because of the stories by the native americans. (i'll use the Pacific Northwest area for this topic.) The Native Americans told stories, and had paintings of a "wild man" of the woods who they respected and in turn it respected them. So for me to judge Bigfoot existing or not, I gotta go with the people who were here before anyone of us. They knew all the lands in the united states,long before we were even "united" and had seen every creature. The Natives respected nature and all living things. To discredit there sightings is just plain ignorant. besides, If it does exists, we know nothing about it, so for all we know its very elusive, Lives in caves or  high in areas we cant go by foot. the one thing that I do know is True and skepics can not explain is the Howling/screaming noise people have recorded over the years. The reason these are significant is because every audio was analyzed and matched up with every type of Known creature to live in the North american Forests. The tests came back either inconclusive, or didnt match any known animal! Now thats not saying EVERY Audio was in fact somthing unexplainable, some were coyotes etc... the point is, Mankind has only scratched the surface on this planet and to say untill a body is found its not real, is ridiculous!! I dont know whats more arrogant, saying flat out, that a 7-9 feet tall bipedal creature just "CANT" exist, or having such a closed mind that to you, Nothing exists unless you have seen it. I mean lets state the facts about this "creature" existing or not. Almost every sighting ever seen has been in or around forest areas most the time, its at night. lots of sightings reported that rocks or even logs were being thrown at their tents,campers,or the cabins they are staying in. And some people felt they were being watched as if being stalked. to me, that sounds like a creature thats curious but smart, and also very Teritorial. theres obviously more then one, but To me, they spread out. Thus the Howlings. the first thing i thought about when i heard about the howlings, was wolves. Wolves howl to communicate with one another. why not sasquatch? monkeys do simular things as well. as far as food. Fish,Moose,Deer,berrys and of course water all come to mind. Im sure they thrive in the forests. anyway, Im sure ill get trolled to death on this post, but like i said at the begining,I'm not a full believer,But I do not rule out the fact that they could very well exist. I just dont see why they couldnt! what because noones found a dead one? I cant fathom every single person who has seen one, be hoaxers and liers. alote of these people are old timers,and hunters etc... they camp and live out in the woods most their lives. Why would they make stuff up? the odds are not every sighting is a hoax. people are seeing something and i bet theres more people, they are just afraid to come forward due to being mocked and called liers. oh as far as the person who made this forum, Pretty sure its the same guy from last year. and I think hes talking out his ass as well :XD

Edited by Silverbane81, 19 February 2012 - 05:51 AM.

[hucksterfoot]

@Silverbane81

Do you have a link for those paintings?

Quote

The Native Americans told stories, and had paintings

The problem with stories is they change, adapt and more stuff is added to them.

Quote

The Natives respected nature and all living things

Sounds like some kind of appeal.
...Anyways
Did that respect include not wiping out other indigenous people?