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#1    ColoradoParanormal

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 05:26 PM

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A trial court in Iran has issued its final verdict, ordering a Christian pastor to be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources close to the pastor and his legal team.  Read more: http://www.foxnews. Posted Image Read more...
  This doesn't sound like the loving and peaceful religion that we're being led to believe Islam is.  This sort of thing is happening in troves across the globe. Honor killings in America are on the rise, Christians and Jews in Islamic countries are being put to death at an alarming rate. You mean to tell me that it's only the "radical" islamic people doing this? I'm pretty sure to stay with that train of thought you would be calling almost ALL leaders of Islamic countries radicals. And as such, we then should be putting a stop to each of these leaders. Just a thought!


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 07:09 PM

View PostColoradoParanormal, on 23 February 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

This doesn't sound like the loving and peaceful religion that we're being led to believe Islam is.  This sort of thing is happening in troves across the globe. Honor killings in America are on the rise, Christians and Jews in Islamic countries are being put to death at an alarming rate. You mean to tell me that it's only the "radical" islamic people doing this? I'm pretty sure to stay with that train of thought you would be calling almost ALL leaders of Islamic countries radicals. And as such, we then should be putting a stop to each of these leaders. Just a thought!
Like there not  " Christians '  that would put Muslims to death in the united states if they only allowed   :yes:  I the idea that you have to agree with me or die is a problem in almost all  faiths.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 07:21 PM

View Postohio state buckeyes, on 23 February 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

Like there not  " Christians '  that would put Muslims to death in the united states if they only allowed   :yes:  I the idea that you have to agree with me or die is a problem in almost all  faiths.

I was about to argue with you, but then I remembered back when I was still in Catholic school and the war in Iraq had just started. We were talking about it in "Library class" one day, and the teacher says, "Honestly, I think we should just nuke them."  Yea...'Thou shalt not kill' apparently doesn't mean anything.

I suppose the problem over there is that the Iranian government allows this to happen. At least the US has, you know, laws for respecting personal freedoms to keep this kind of crap from happening.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:13 PM

View Postohio state buckeyes, on 23 February 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

Like there not  " Christians '  that would put Muslims to death in the united states if they only allowed   :yes:  I the idea that you have to agree with me or die is a problem in almost all  faiths.

Nonsense!  Where are the Christians who are killing non Christians for their faith in another religion?  For that matter, where are the Jews who are killing others for leaving the Jewish faith?  Now, where are Muslims doing this? ....Saudi Arabia, Pakistan,Yemen,Iran,Iraq,Egypt and on and on...
Are there hateful, vicious ignorant people in the US who would kill other ethnic groups if they could?  Yep...but it's got nothing to do with being a Christian.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:27 PM

Islam is a faith that is still in its infancy, when compared to Christianity. It doesn't make what they are doing right, but it's a cultural maturity problem, more than a problem with the faith itself.

Just as the Inquisition attempted to force conversion upon everyone in Europe, so Islam is trying to accomplish the same thing.

Any religion which requires forced recruitment is lost, and the proof of this is the ignorance of this simple truth.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:44 PM

View PostColoradoParanormal, on 23 February 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

This doesn't sound like the loving and peaceful religion that we're being led to believe Islam is.  This sort of thing is happening in troves across the globe. Honor killings in America are on the rise, Christians and Jews in Islamic countries are being put to death at an alarming rate. You mean to tell me that it's only the "radical" islamic people doing this? I'm pretty sure to stay with that train of thought you would be calling almost ALL leaders of Islamic countries radicals. And as such, we then should be putting a stop to each of these leaders. Just a thought!

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:40 AM

Emptive of what?


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:31 AM

View Postand then, on 23 February 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

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Nonsense!  Where are the Christians who are killing non Christians for their faith in another religion?  For that matter, where are the Jews who are killing others for leaving the Jewish faith?  Now, where are Muslims doing this? ....Saudi Arabia, Pakistan,Yemen,Iran,Iraq,Egypt and on and on...
Are there hateful, vicious ignorant people in the US who would kill other ethnic groups if they could?  Yep...but it's got nothing to do with being a Christian.

and what going on in Iran has nothing to with Islam.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:38 PM

View Postohio state buckeyes, on 24 February 2012 - 05:31 AM, said:

and what going on in Iran has nothing to with Islam.
Then with all due respect....what is it that's driving an apocalyptic Theocratic State to develop a nuclear weapon?  This country has been under the darkness of these "holy men" since 1979 and they have consistently used the Great Satan (US) and the Little Satan(Israel) as the impetus to continue "the revolution".  Why is it so unreasonable to believe that it's a religious motivation that drives them?

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:16 PM

I cannot say I am surprised by this.

Iran is like that hypocritical bully on the playground that chronically lies for attention.

Except now their fundamentalism is running rampant. I may not be entirely religious, but I can say something simple: I will respect a person's right to exercise their beliefs, so long as their practice does not infringe upon me or others. However, executing a man for converting religions is radical. It is definitely infringing upon the people of the nation; the leaders believe they can get away with all of this. Nonetheless - they can; it is their country after all. Humanitarian groups can press sanctions and scold the Iranians, but there is not much they can do to influence Iran short of invading it, destroying the military, and starting World War III.

With that, I say it is better to scold, but to not take impetuous action.

Millions or Billions of lives could be in the balance.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:24 PM

View PostColoradoParanormal, on 23 February 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

This doesn't sound like the loving and peaceful religion that we're being led to believe Islam is.  This sort of thing is happening in troves across the globe. Honor killings in America are on the rise, Christians and Jews in Islamic countries are being put to death at an alarming rate. You mean to tell me that it's only the "radical" islamic people doing this? I'm pretty sure to stay with that train of thought you would be calling almost ALL leaders of Islamic countries radicals. And as such, we then should be putting a stop to each of these leaders. Just a thought!

Islamic Law means Christains and Jews can live in safety inside Iran.

However it is forbidden for a Muslim to convert to one of these religions.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:47 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 24 February 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Islamic Law means Christains and Jews can live in safety inside Iran.

However it is forbidden for a Muslim to convert to one of these religions.

I understand that RW.  And I'm not questioning their sovereignty to pass laws for their people inside their borders.  What I questioning is their right to a nuclear weapon in the most important yet unstable region in the world when they have so little value for the lives even of their own citizens.  This is not just an academic exercise.  These ayatollahs along with their muscle the IRGC are used to complete autonomy within their country and are obviously seeking to spread that sphere of autonomy across the region.  Attacking Iran with the intent to invade and overthrow their government would be folly.  But taking the step of neutralizing their quest for a bomb - if only for a year - would be worth the trouble they could make.  Yes it would be declaring a war on them but that is NOT the same as trying to place a couple hundred thousand soldiers and marines on their territory.  They will use their proxies to attack Israel, no doubt, but Israel is just waiting for the chance to finish those animals once and for all.  Iran will be doing Israel a favor if it sets the hezzies and the hamas lose to attack Israel.  Changing a regime cannot be done exclusively with airpower.  But airpower can easily weaken that regime to the point that if a real opposition group exists then they could be impowered to overthrow the ayatollahs.  It's at least a possibility.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:56 PM

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And I'm not questioning their sovereignty to pass laws for their people inside their borders.  What I questioning is their right to a nuclear weapon

Under what authority do you question their rights? oh wait, you've already explained, you're Christian Zionist.:rolleyes:

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:59 PM

View PostDrayno, on 24 February 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

I cannot say I am surprised by this.

Iran is like that hypocritical bully on the playground that chronically lies for attention.

Except now their fundamentalism is running rampant. I may not be entirely religious, but I can say something simple: I will respect a person's right to exercise their beliefs, so long as their practice does not infringe upon me or others. However, executing a man for converting religions is radical. It is definitely infringing upon the people of the nation; the leaders believe they can get away with all of this. Nonetheless - they can; it is their country after all. Humanitarian groups can press sanctions and scold the Iranians, but there is not much they can do to influence Iran short of invading it, destroying the military, and starting World War III.

With that, I say it is better to scold, but to not take impetuous action.

Millions or Billions of lives could be in the balance.
Agreed but what of the numbers put at risk by inaction?  The IAEA report out today (24/2/12)states that enough uranium is missing to create one bomb.  Further, the enrichment process has been substantially increased.  I understand having misgivings about these accusations in light of the Iraq debacle but I think at this point only a partisan that's in the bag for Iran or, more accurately, against the West could look at the evidence and still say Iran is not pursuing a weapon.  This is a classic situation where a hard choice must be made.  Appease and hope for the best or act and risk a worse result.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:59 PM

View Postand then, on 24 February 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

Agreed but what of the numbers put at risk by inaction?  The IAEA report out today (24/2/12)states that enough uranium is missing to create one bomb.  Further, the enrichment process has been substantially increased.  I understand having misgivings about these accusations in light of the Iraq debacle but I think at this point only a partisan that's in the bag for Iran or, more accurately, against the West could look at the evidence and still say Iran is not pursuing a weapon.  This is a classic situation where a hard choice must be made.  Appease and hope for the best or act and risk a worse result.

I do concur - a tough choice must be made.

Hence I said no impetuous; brash, quick without thinking, action should be taken. Our leaders must take their time with this one - but not too much time. If Iran were to use one bomb on us it would be over - the world would be over. The U.S. would retaliate and level the country. And then China and Russia would go to arms against us. And then the world ends.

So I agree, it is a tough choice. Let us hope they make the right one.

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