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#1    ExpandMyMind

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:46 PM

www.aljazeera.com said:

Fresh scientific evidence unearthed by a Scottish legal review undermines the case against the man convicted of being responsible for the Lockerbie aircraft bombing, an investigation for Al Jazeera has found.

The Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission (SCCRC) report details evidence that would probably have resulted in the verdict against Abdel Baset al-Meghrahi, a Libyan man convicted of carrying out the bombing of Pan-Am flight 103 in 1988, being overturned.

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Sorry I haven't been online to address other posts (at the local library posting this). Hopefully I'll have a stable connection to the internet soon.

Anyways, that the Lockerbie case was pretty much a sham has been known for quite some time now, but it seems that yet more eveidence seems to appear in support of this. Hopefully this will also help to convince some people that, even though the stated reasons were a joke to anyone with a properly functioning brain, the real reasons behind someone convicted of mass-murder being released were not on humanitarian grounds (as I have been stating on here since he was released).

To our British users: I noticed that there is a BBC documentary on tonight at around half seven-ish. I only saw a brief advertisement for it but it seems to be in line with the matter of this news article. Could be interesting.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 04:43 PM

So are the usual suspects going to try to argue (pause for yawn) that it was actually a False Flag operation by the U.S. Govt? In order to do what? To give a pretext, 22 years later, for overthrowing Gadaffi and imposing a U.S. Puppet Regime?

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 04:47 PM

And the fact that BP and the Scottish Government both were embarrassed  by Megrahi's release and the US congress clamoring for extradition has nothing to do with this situation, I'm sure.  Megrahi was a member of Libya's security service.  Gaddafi paid 2.7 billion in claims to make the situation go away.  Megrahi was released because he was terminally ill...TWO YEARS AGO.  In every way that matters, he already has been absolved - everything but his conscience.
http://www.telegraph...is-claimed.html
http://lockerbiecase...ed-gaddafi.html

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:28 PM

View Postand then, on 27 February 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

And the fact that BP and the Scottish Government both were embarrassed  by Megrahi's release and the US congress clamoring for extradition has nothing to do with this situation, I'm sure.  Megrahi was a member of Libya's security service.  Gaddafi paid 2.7 billion in claims to make the situation go away.  Megrahi was released because he was terminally ill...TWO YEARS AGO.  In every way that matters, he already has been absolved - everything but his conscience.
http://www.telegraph...is-claimed.html
http://lockerbiecase...ed-gaddafi.html

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The decision was made by the Scottish Government...!


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:40 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 27 February 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

The decision was made by the Scottish Government...!
I understand that.  In the US the common perception is that his release was a backroom deal between Gaddafi and the Scots due to oil contracts with BP which I understand is home to a huge amount of pension money for the UK.  Whether that perception is accurate I do not know.  But the idea that Megrahi is a victim and should be pardoned basically is an affront to the 270 families that buried their dead but not their memories in 1988.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 09:26 PM

View Post747400, on 27 February 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

So are the usual suspects going to try to argue (pause for yawn) that it was actually a False Flag operation by the U.S. Govt? In order to do what? To give a pretext, 22 years later, for overthrowing Gadaffi and imposing a U.S. Puppet Regime?

As the thread starter notes, this is rather old news.  That the prosecution was a sham has been known for quite a few years now.

I can't remember all the details now, but it seems there may have been an "enemy of the state" onboard the aircraft.  Can't remember if it was British or American, but there was a reason for it.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:38 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 01 March 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

As the thread starter notes, this is rather old news.  That the prosecution was a sham has been known for quite a few years now.

I can't remember all the details now, but it seems there may have been an "enemy of the state" onboard the aircraft.  Can't remember if it was British or American, but there was a reason for it.
oh, right, so the Bomb was planted by the forces of Evil (i.e. America) to bump off an Enemy of the People, was it, then. Yes, that's a really efficient and cost-effective method of assassination.  :rolleyes:

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 05:06 PM

I thought it was common knowledge tha Meghrahi was just a patsy.

Edited by itsnotoutthere, 04 March 2012 - 05:07 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 12:45 AM

View Postand then, on 27 February 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

I understand that.  In the US the common perception is that his release was a backroom deal between Gaddafi and the Scots due to oil contracts with BP which I understand is home to a huge amount of pension money for the UK.  Whether that perception is accurate I do not know.  But the idea that Megrahi is a victim and should be pardoned basically is an affront to the 270 families that buried their dead but not their memories in 1988.
that is exactly what it was he was as guilty as sin he was a mass murderer and was released for political/financial reasons .lets face it the british goverment has done worse .good friday agreement anyone !!!!!

Edited by smurf0852, 06 March 2012 - 12:46 AM.


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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:36 PM

View Postsmurf0852, on 06 March 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

that is exactly what it was he was as guilty as sin he was a mass murderer and was released for political/financial reasons .lets face it the british goverment has done worse .good friday agreement anyone !!!!!

"Several legal experts as well as the UN observer at the Lockerbie trial have vehemently challenged the verdict that convicted Megrahi,[3] while Ulrich Lumpert, the Mebo AG engineer who testified to the validity of a key piece of evidence, admitted in an affidavit to lying in court and stealing the object from his employer after the attack whereupon it was planted
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[i]"Since the Crown never had much of a case against Megrahi, it was no surprise when the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC) found prima facie evidence in June 2007 that Megrahi had suffered a miscarriage of justice and recommended that he be granted a second appeal. If Megrahi didn't do it, who did? Some time ago suspicion fell on a gang headed by a convicted Palestinian terrorist named Abu Talb and a Jordanian triple agent named Marwan Abdel Razzaq Khreesat. Both were Iranian agents; Khreesat was also on the CIA payroll. Abu Talb was given lifelong immunity from prosecution in exchange for his evidence at the Lockerbie trial; Marwan Khreesat was released for lack of evidence by German police even though a barometric timer of the type used to detonate the bomb on Pan Am Flight 103 was found in his car when he was arrested."


Edited by itsnotoutthere, 06 March 2012 - 01:41 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:40 PM

Ah, so it was a CIA False Flag operation in order to.... well, in order to what, then? I always find it intereting that those who say "think for yourself", and "wake up, sheeple" never seem to adequately explain what these plots were actually intended to achieve.

Edited by 747400, 06 March 2012 - 01:42 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:46 PM

link :- http://en.wikipedia....aset_al-Megrahi


Campaigners, including Jim Swire, whose daughter died in the 1988 Pan Am bombing, say efforts to overturn Megrahi's 2001 conviction for the murder of 270 people will go ahead even after the terminally ill Libyan has died.

Megrahi was convicted by a special court of three Scots judges who sat without a jury in Camp Zeist in the Netherlands, but John Ashton's book, Megrahi, You Are My Jury, quotes the Libyan as saying that he was framed, claiming that evidence seen by prosecutors was never passed to the defence. "There was a huge pressure to convict and it's clear now there was blatant intellectual dishonesty surrounding his trial," said Ashton. "Along with significant new forensic evidence, it's pretty clear this is an unsafe conviction."

Evidence not seen by the defence includes a break-in at Heathrow in the early hours of 21 December 1988, that could have allowed a device to be planted among security-screened Pan Am luggage. Doubts have also been cast over payments made to a key prosecution witness and a circuit board fragment found in the wreckage that prosecutors said was part of bomb timer made for Libyan authorities.


link :- http://www.guardian....i?newsfeed=true

Edited by itsnotoutthere, 06 March 2012 - 01:51 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 01:55 PM

View Postsmurf0852, on 06 March 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

that is exactly what it was he was as guilty as sin he was a mass murderer and was released for political/financial reasons .lets face it the british goverment has done worse .good friday agreement anyone !!!!!

What, because you say so? If what you say is true we can probably thank that other international terrorist & war criminal Tony Blair.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 02:20 PM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 06 March 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

What, because you say so? If what you say is true we can probably thank that other international terrorist & war criminal Tony Blair.
no because 3 judges did.i do however totally agree with your comment about tony blair


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 08:31 AM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 06 March 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

link :- http://en.wikipedia....aset_al-Megrahi


Campaigners, including Jim Swire, whose daughter died in the 1988 Pan Am bombing, say efforts to overturn Megrahi's 2001 conviction for the murder of 270 people will go ahead even after the terminally ill Libyan has died.

Megrahi was convicted by a special court of three Scots judges who sat without a jury in Camp Zeist in the Netherlands, but John Ashton's book, Megrahi, You Are My Jury, quotes the Libyan as saying that he was framed, claiming that evidence seen by prosecutors was never passed to the defence. "There was a huge pressure to convict and it's clear now there was blatant intellectual dishonesty surrounding his trial," said Ashton. "Along with significant new forensic evidence, it's pretty clear this is an unsafe conviction."

Evidence not seen by the defence includes a break-in at Heathrow in the early hours of 21 December 1988, that could have allowed a device to be planted among security-screened Pan Am luggage. Doubts have also been cast over payments made to a key prosecution witness and a circuit board fragment found in the wreckage that prosecutors said was part of bomb timer made for Libyan authorities.


link :- http://www.guardian....i?newsfeed=true
Then who is the Guardian trying to insinuate was responsible? That's what i'd like someone to give a nice clear answer to if they could.

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