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[psyche101]

QuiteContrary, on 06 March 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

I used to have hope, thought it would be an awesome discovery.

However, I watch Finding Bigfoot lol. I have a sick obsession with the topic, I'm pretty sure my friends are planning an intervention. Anyway, the "team" has so far been oustandingly successful at proving the "evidence" of Bigfoot is no evidence at all.

They clinch it every Sunday. "This is all we got. This is what we have as proof of this creature." Sad, very very sad.

I actually gave up hope years ago, but it would still be cool.

IMO, as far as sightings being a part of folklore or historical records; we have thousands of sightings on today's databases but no physical evidence, and without it you can't scientifically prove a thing by just "eye-witnesses".

Oh, and "Hello" to everyone.

Why hello! Welcome to UM!

I think your experience is becoming a common one. I am hearing this story more often all the time.

[EarthSongs]

I am new here and have a feeling from what I have read on several posts that I will not be taken seriously in this, but for the OP's benefit I will risk it to respond to them....
I grew up in Arkansas in the swamp lands, my family were all avid hunters, so we spend alot of time in teh woods in our area. My uncle had a trailor next to the woods we would stay in on the weekends to hunt. My mom , Aunt, and us "girls" would go berry picking near the trailor while the men went hunting. On more than one ocassion we either heard bigfoot, saw bigfoot, or both.... it is the most terrifying sound I have ever heard. He smells awful but I would not simply describe it as skunky, more like wet dog, sewage, and skunk combined. They are a range of sizes , colors, and personalities. I , being young when first seeing them, thought them to be gentle creatures, maybe even vegetarian...until one day my brother and Uncle were deer hunting and my brother was tracking his deer's blood trail , when he happened upon a bigfoot stealing his deer (I know sounds crazy)...the bigfoot yelled at him , grabbed the deer and ran. My Uncle being nearby ,was coming toward the sound because he noted it to be coming from the location where my brother was hunting and was concerned for his safety. He too saw this bigfoot carrying my brothers deer...and stopped dead in his tracks.
Their had been a lot of activity near my Uncle's trailor for quite some time and he was determined to rid the countryside of this creature. Everyone was scared of it . So he and some others set up bear traps in the woods to capture them/it. One night as we slept we heard this awful scream, it woke everyone up and all the dogs went nuts and hid under the porch in fear, wimpering. My Uncle was convinced he had caught one, but waited til morning to go check. So early the next morning my Uncle and my brothers, dad, and the other nearby men went to see what they had in their trap, only to find the dang thing broke wide open! I kid you not, they brought that trap back to the trailor, I saw it broke at the hinges, and he told the women not to let us kids go far from the house . They were worried they had only ticked it off more , and since it was strong enough to free itself from this trap, no tellin what it would do to us. Needless to say it did not ever try to hurt anyone but the activity continued.
Now I know people lie, they fake things, they pull pranks, but this is not any of those things, this is the honest to god's truth. I have experienced this thing first hand off and on for many years of my life. I still want to believe it isn't a vicious animal, but I am open to any and all evidence to prove that theory wrong.
I think we don't get proper evidence of them mainly because they migrate. I noticed that we only encountered them certain times of the year, so that's either because they are on the move or they hibernate...I don't know. Just seems like the only 2 logical explanations for this. Plus, it's like ufo's and aliens, thousands claim to have seen them and have experiences with them but again there is no hard evidence. It doesn't mean they don't exist, it only means we haven't proved it with acceptable evidence yet. (and yes, I believe in them as well, but that's another story    )
Peace

Edited by EarthSongs, 08 March 2012 - 07:20 AM.

[QuiteContrary]

psyche101, on 08 March 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

Why hello! Welcome to UM!

I think your experience is becoming a common one. I am hearing this story more often all the time.

Hi! back.

I do hope that through the sasquatch videos and images and tv shows being so readily accessible, that they may cause some sasquatch believers to at least question what they believe with an objective mind, now that they see the "evidence" and the players and what the "research" looks like. And if they think there are others out there doing a much better job, where is their published and peer reviewed research? Just reason it out, ya know.

[psyche101]

QuiteContrary, on 08 March 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

Hi! back.

I do hope that through the sasquatch videos and images and tv shows being so readily accessible, that they may cause some sasquatch believers to at least question what they believe with an objective mind, now that they see the "evidence" and the players and what the "research" looks like. And if they think there are others out there doing a much better job, where is their published and peer reviewed research? Just reason it out, ya know.

I hope you are right, and the advent of the Internet has changed the face of ability to learn. However, having said that, I think "passion" will always be a factor to overcome that takes no notice of logic whatsoever.

Edited by psyche101, 08 March 2012 - 07:29 AM.

[QuiteContrary]

EarthSongs, on 08 March 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

I am new here and have a feeling from what I have read on several posts that I will not be taken seriously in this, but for the OP's benefit I will risk it to respond to them....
I grew up in Arkansas in the swamp lands, my family were all avid hunters, so we spend alot of time in teh woods in our area. My uncle had a trailor next to the woods we would stay in on the weekends to hunt. My mom , Aunt, and us "girls" would go berry picking near the trailor while the men went hunting. On more than one ocassion we either heard bigfoot, saw bigfoot, or both.... it is the most terrifying sound I have ever heard. He smells awful but I would not simply describe it as skunky, more like wet dog, sewage, and skunk combined. They are a range of sizes , colors, and personalities. I , being young when first seeing them, thought them to be gentle creatures, maybe even vegetarian...until one day my brother and Uncle were deer hunting and my brother was tracking his deer's blood trail , when he happened upon a bigfoot stealing his deer (I know sounds crazy)...the bigfoot yelled at him , grabbed the deer and ran. My Uncle being nearby ,was coming toward the sound because he noted it to be coming from the location where my brother was hunting and was concerned for his safety. He too saw this bigfoot carrying my brothers deer...and stopped dead in his tracks.
Their had been a lot of activity near my Uncle's trailor for quite some time and he was determined to rid the countryside of this creature. Everyone was scared of it . So he and some others set up bear traps in the woods to capture them/it. One night as we slept we heard this awful scream, it woke everyone up and all the dogs went nuts and hid under the porch in fear, wimpering. My Uncle was convinced he had caught one, but waited til morning to go check. So early the next morning my Uncle and my brothers, dad, and the other nearby men went to see what they had in their trap, only to find the dang thing broke wide open! I kid you not, they brought that trap back to the trailor, I saw it broke at the hinges, and he told the women not to let us kids go far from the house . They were worried they had only ticked it off more , and since it was strong enough to free itself from this trap, no tellin what it would do to us. Needless to say it did not ever try to hurt anyone but the activity continued.
Now I know people lie, they fake things, they pull pranks, but this is not any of those things, this is the honest to god's truth. I have experienced this thing first hand off and on for many years of my life. I still want to believe it isn't a vicious animal, but I am open to any and all evidence to prove that theory wrong.
I think we don't get proper evidence of them mainly because they migrate. I noticed that we only encountered them certain times of the year, so that's either because they are on the move or they hibernate...I don't know. Just seems like the only 2 logical explanations for this. Plus, it's like ufo's and aliens, thousands claim to have seen them and have experiences with them but again there is no hard evidence. It doesn't mean they don't exist, it only means we haven't proved it with acceptable evidence yet. (and yes, I believe in them as well, but that's another story    )
Peace

Hello! Interesting life you've had! In the phrase I bolded above, can you explain what you mean. Why migration would impede gathering evidence on these creatures?

[psyche101]

EarthSongs, on 08 March 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

I am new here and have a feeling from what I have read on several posts that I will not be taken seriously in this, but for the OP's benefit I will risk it to respond to them....
I grew up in Arkansas in the swamp lands, my family were all avid hunters, so we spend alot of time in teh woods in our area. My uncle had a trailor next to the woods we would stay in on the weekends to hunt. My mom , Aunt, and us "girls" would go berry picking near the trailor while the men went hunting. On more than one ocassion we either heard bigfoot, saw bigfoot, or both.... it is the most terrifying sound I have ever heard. He smells awful but I would not simply describe it as skunky, more like wet dog, sewage, and skunk combined. They are a range of sizes , colors, and personalities. I , being young when first seeing them, thought them to be gentle creatures, maybe even vegetarian...until one day my brother and Uncle were deer hunting and my brother was tracking his deer's blood trail , when he happened upon a bigfoot stealing his deer (I know sounds crazy)...the bigfoot yelled at him , grabbed the deer and ran. My Uncle being nearby ,was coming toward the sound because he noted it to be coming from the location where my brother was hunting and was concerned for his safety. He too saw this bigfoot carrying my brothers deer...and stopped dead in his tracks.
Their had been a lot of activity near my Uncle's trailor for quite some time and he was determined to rid the countryside of this creature. Everyone was scared of it . So he and some others set up bear traps in the woods to capture them/it. One night as we slept we heard this awful scream, it woke everyone up and all the dogs went nuts and hid under the porch in fear, wimpering. My Uncle was convinced he had caught one, but waited til morning to go check. So early the next morning my Uncle and my brothers, dad, and the other nearby men went to see what they had in their trap, only to find the dang thing broke wide open! I kid you not, they brought that trap back to the trailor, I saw it broke at the hinges, and he told the women not to let us kids go far from the house . They were worried they had only ticked it off more , and since it was strong enough to free itself from this trap, no tellin what it would do to us. Needless to say it did not ever try to hurt anyone but the activity continued.
Now I know people lie, they fake things, they pull pranks, but this is not any of those things, this is the honest to god's truth. I have experienced this thing first hand off and on for many years of my life. I still want to believe it isn't a vicious animal, but I am open to any and all evidence to prove that theory wrong.
I think we don't get proper evidence of them mainly because they migrate. I noticed that we only encountered them certain times of the year, so that's either because they are on the move or they hibernate...I don't know. Just seems like the only 2 logical explanations for this. Plus, it's like ufo's and aliens, thousands claim to have seen them and have experiences with them but again there is no hard evidence. It doesn't mean they don't exist, it only means we haven't proved it with acceptable evidence yet. (and yes, I believe in them as well, but that's another story    )
Peace

HI Earthsong

I will not come down on you, you have a personal story that for you provides personal proof, and to me personal belief is just fine. It is only when one starts insisting that belief is a fact, and other must believe what is said that I start to go offside. It is an interesting tale, and thank you for sharing it, now as a skeptic I must ask

Why have you not gone back to this spot and taken pictures or real samples, and or with verifiable member so the scientific community (Like Jeff Meldrum perhaps) to provide positive proof? Do you know that if what you say is true, you would be the most popular person on earth, rich beyond your dreams, and solve a mystery that has even members of the scientific community at odds? You would be doing the zoological community a huge servies with one shred of undeniable proof. With tales like this, I cannot fathom why people do not take the obvious Patty MK II Film. We would all win. If the above is at all true, I urge you to consider sharing this with the entire world.

Hope you enjoy UM. Welcome!

Cheers.

[QuiteContrary]

psyche101, on 08 March 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

I hope you are right, and the advent of the Internet has changed the face of ability to learn. However, having said that, I think "passion" will always be a factor to overcome that takes no notice of logic whatsoever.

Yep, I had that illogical passion for a short time. And then pride and ego kept me from publically extinguishing my passion once logic took over.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 08 March 2012 - 07:40 AM.

[psyche101]

QuiteContrary, on 08 March 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

Yep, I had that illogical passion for a short time. And then pride and ego kept me from publically extinguishing my passion once logic took over.

Me too I guess we are all human, and a mystery captures the imagination! Now I am more interested in knowing what continues to propagate the story. Many fine people with good reputations make the most amazing claims, which leads me to think something is being spotted, what that is now intrigues me. My favourite theory is Hobo's, member Stardrive gave this inception the most amusing catchphrase of "hobosapien" and I do feel that is at least a large part of the answer.

Edited by psyche101, 08 March 2012 - 07:51 AM.

[EarthSongs]

First, thanks for the welcomes....
Second, to answer the 1st question posed to me, I just think it would be hard to catch up with them since they are very good at hiding out and seem to travel from place to place...I personally have no desire to go stalking after them , lol.
To answer the next questions, I personally never took pics of them because this was when I was a child, we lived in Arkansas from the time I was 6 mos. old til I was 12, I didn't personally own a camera. My parents had a nifty polaroid   back then, but didn't bring it with us on the hunting trips. They were simple country folk planning to hunt, fish, and pick berries...what the heck you need a camera for??? Proof to them wasn't needed, everyone for miles around believed these things were there, so the need for a pic. was obsolete. As far as being rich, I still live a humble life, it's just by choice now. I don't care if people believe they are real or not. In my opinion if enough people did believe in them they may want to go on a hunt for them , like in Texas, and shoot first , study later...I wish no harm to them or anything else that may exist. They've gotten along just fine without our interference this far, so I feel they should be left alone and that would not be the case if more believed in them. Especially where the scientific community is involved. Disecting or probing on things to learn how they work is just wrong and too many times that is what happens. Furthermore, I do not visit Arkansas since we have moved away from there.(by a mere 840 mls.)  I have no reason or desire to go back there...not even for fame and fortune.  
Like I said before I don't really expect others to believe me, I know what we saw and experienced and that's all that matters to me. My family (brothers and parents) often speak of these events but not in "mixed company", but for them I think it is that they care what others think.

[hucksterfoot]

QuiteContrary, on 08 March 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

Hello! Interesting life you've had! In the phrase I bolded above, can you explain what you mean. Why migration would impede gathering evidence on these creatures?

Didn't Janice Carter rip the arm off her visiting Bigfoot? Right after she gave it some garlic. :]

About migration:
Bigfoot would have a better chance hiding under rocks nobody looks under ...Like sitting Ducks in remote regions.
Ducks that mess with game cams and waddle around only to propagate, avoiding birdwatchers and lumberjacks.

[Neognosis]

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Also,there are sightings of such a creature all over the world.
Bigfoot is called Yeti in Nepal, Yowie in Australia and Yeren in China.
Could all othese cultures have all these jokesters that worked off the same theme
for hundreds and thousands (in some cases) of years??? doubt it. and all it takes is one
to be telling the truth and BF exists.

How do you reconcile the lack of physical evidence (body, bones, hides, skull, jawbone, etc. etc. etc.) with the idea that they are "sighted all over the world?"


It is much more likely that there are stories of hairy man-monsters all over the world because we are all HUMAN BEINGS, regardless of culture, with the same basic needs, fears, and psychology.


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I think we don't get proper evidence of them mainly because they migrate

We have AMPLE evidence for all the other animals that hibernate, migrate, etc. Why not for bigfoot?

So, welcome to the forum, Earth Songs. But I have to say, your post is typical. Claims of routinely seeing bigfoot, claims that everyone in your community just took their existence for granted because interactions with them were so commonplace, yet not a shred of evidence. It's a story repeated by various forum members almost word for word.

[Ninhursag]

I Will Believe That Bigfoot Exists Until Evidence Proves Otherwise  

[QuiteContrary]

Ninhursag, on 08 March 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

I Will Believe That Bigfoot Exists Until Evidence Proves Otherwise  

Is lack of evidence evidence???

[Night Walker]

Earl.Of.Trumps, on 06 March 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

Also,there are sightings of such a creature all over the world.
Bigfoot is called Yeti in Nepal, Yowie in Australia and Yeren in China.
Could all othese cultures have all these jokesters that worked off the same theme
for hundreds and thousands (in some cases) of years???  doubt it. and all it takes is one
to be telling the truth and BF exists.

Well, there certainly are claims of sightings (stories) from all over the world…

How do you account for all the shenanigans (fakery and storytelling) that goes along with the International Hairy Man of Mystery particularly from those who claim to be researching Bigfoot?

Why is it hard to believe in jokesters/storytellers working off the same theme particularly when that is precisely what is going on now and throughout recorded history (not only for Bigfoot)?

Example: Is Finding Bigfoot about the search for a large unidentified creature or is it about shenanigans (storytelling-masquerading-as-serious-research; folklore-in-action)? If the latter, is BFRO the only group engaged in shenanigans or simply the largest?

America has always been a land of abundant folklore. It is a lore that is kept alive not so much by literary artists but by “just folks” who tell it, alter it, retell it, and even invent altogether as they pass it along to others who, in their turn, do the same. Such change is at the very heart of the tradition.
…
Wiley and the Hairy Man is about growing-up and overcoming our fears. On one level the Hairy Man can be seen as a personification of many childhood fears. While they are sometimes irrational, they are nevertheless very real in our minds, and sometimes quite debilitating. Wiley’s story suggests that these fears will go away only when we learn to look them square in the face and stand up to them all on our own.
http://www.ssfs.org/...Study-Guide.pdf

Remove the hairy-googles and look at the actual evidence (and, more often, the conspicuous lack thereof). There is a clear pattern of shenanigans...

[evancj]

Hello EarthSongs,

You story was interesting...however I do see some inconsistencies that are a bit perplexing.

Because I grew up in a very isolated area myself I know that most folks always carried a firearm with them whether they were hunting or not. Some of these people had no compunctions about shooting any animal they came across regardless of the law how rare it was, or if it had babies with it, I am positive there are people like this everywhere around the world.

I If everyone in the area was seeing bigfoot or knew bigfoot was around why is it that no one ever shot one? surely not everyone in the area had the same live and let live attitude towards bigfoot that you do.

In your story your uncle and several other men wanted to get rid of the animal. Yet when your uncle came face to face with one on a hunting trip he failed to kill it, do you know why?

I would also be interested in knowing the general area that you are referring to, so we could see if it is a bigfoot hot spot.

Thanks, and welcome to UM.

Edited by evancj, 09 March 2012 - 01:33 AM.