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[Seeker79]

I urge people to look inside of themselves for the fear instead of demons because I have been through their experiences and worked through it and made those discoveries. I only would like to see the suffering caused by it relieved. Most of those people do not know there way around altered states like you or I. I'm only offering help with what I know can be accomplished. I also know that there is some young mind reading what I post, and often they will come to me in pm and I can walk them through how to deal with their "demons" instead of alternatives of dogma and fear which are crippling.

Why do I make demons out to be psychological constructs but not angles or spirit guides? Mostly because I can take control of those dark things and make em dance the chicken dance if I want to. Sleep paralysis claws for massaging my feet..... whatever. It's because of experience. Can I be wrong? Certainly! But why should I think that? The evidence that is right in front of me is much more powerful. Sure I  have seen the arguments of false memories, statistical fringes of humanity, and others. It's totally unconvincing yes yes experimental evidence showing that humans are capable of false memories, I did not need an experiment to tell me that, I see it all the time working with people. Let me think if my desert anecdote was a false memory or if details have been embellished. Hmmm mm.. Oh wait you are right. My friend at first said "WTF just happened... I left that part out." You don't have to take any anecdotes seriously if you don't want to, I understand totally, but I certainly have to take events in my own life. I'm not going to go around thinking these things are false memories especially right after they happen. Nor am I just going to consider myself on the statistical fringe of the 6 billion. Really AI that would surely be maddness. I hear plenty of other people with experiences close enough to mine to be able to accept The anecdotes as probably true because I have had similar if not identical experiences. It's far from being on some statistical fringe. Mabey something else surely, but those explanations don't hold any weight.

Anyway I'm sort of tired of arguing about it. You are much more fun than the others because you actually know what I'm talking about, and I dont have to convince you of this perspective because you have been hear. I think you talked yourself out of it, and you think I talked myself into it.

It dosnt really matter does it. I am not going to start thinking my life is based on false memories and being in the fringe of humanity, and you are not going to go back to speaking with your spirit guides ( if you did that). That's just the way it is.

I can do things AI. Wether I am a gifted profiler, psychic, part mad, or some sort of genius deducer it dosnt really matter.  

I have noticed the slight tiny redness in a new students eye, the slight ruffle of her hair, the tention in her jaw, the strength in her face to hold things back, the hovering and intrest of her father, the poised quietness of her mother and the twinge of releif in her face that her daughter is around a man she can respect. My inner voice begins to chatter, I know spirit guides want me act. Then I become a creepy ninja. Sitting across the ally in back of her house behind Somones old junk car. I sit for hours. Waiting. Waiting for confirmation. Then yelling starts up. Then crying. Then the mothers voice "leave her alone!!!" then a crash. Resisting urges that will get me in trouble I walk away haveing found my confirmation. The next step. Anonymous phone calls to school counselors and child protective services. But all that was just profiling and trusting my instincts.

A spirit guide in a vision shows me a baby. I'm confused for a while. It crosses my mind that it could be mine in the future, but my wife isn't pregnant, and  it's a big heavy baby. All my kids are small ( my wife is Filipino--- and very beautiful by the way she is in bed next to me right now just had to say that). A month latter she is pregnant... When he is born it's the same baby, and yes he is my first large fat child ... But it's a selective memory I guess.

My house sits on a hill above my town. ( I know very batmanish right) a car accident happens mikes away, I can hear it. I'm under the covers, and I'm living through all the emotions of the people involved. I'm trying very hard not to. I know exactly which intersection it is. In the morning I leave my body to see it. Glass, red pieces of tailight, then on my run I go there for confirmation. I have it. I know I know all internal deduction manifested in lucid dreams. I know the materialistic answer. Right or wrong I cannot Deni the experience.

I have annecdotes to fill volumes. My core group of adult students can't stop talking about all the things that happen. ( i dont speak a word to any of them about any if this) Finding a lost child on our beech work out that people had been searching for hours , dragging two of them on a mount shasta hike for tai chi at the top of the mountain only to become obsessively and agressivly fast about a certain part of the climb to certain place out of our way only to find a woman dying from falling on her climbing pick, and one of my group is an EMT and saves her life.

I can go on and on and on and on. But I'm done. As I said in my blog I'm just tired of arguing. I have fun sometimes but it's getting less and less so. For some people the world will always be flat and logic can be taken to great creative heights although I'm sure Somone will claim tge same about me..... But remember I'm in the fringe of the six billion and I'm happy  to be hear, and I'm not to proud to be proud.

Seeker out. Really I am this time.... I think... Mabey..., well probably not.

Happy Sunday everyone.

Edited by Seeker79, 04 March 2012 - 04:08 PM.

[ai_guardian]

Fair enough. I don't want to argue either. I know what you mean when you describe some other, let's say insightful, experiences. I've had them too, very similar to what you describe (except for the stalking, lol) BUT I don't think they are anything but normal albeit IMO stemming from our (us two at least) ability to enter these altered states. Whether it be deep meditation, obe, ap, we are able to silence and/or calm certain aspects of the brain that in turn allow us to hone an "attention to detail"/"acute observation" type processing. This is what I think we have in common and what should be promoted, a natural ability of greater awareness that allows the human brain to more accurately predict outcomes of situations/behaviors. This perfectly explains why you would have those suspicions about the family you mentioned (you were able to read body language more precisely - as you already explained anyway), you can place sounds with more accuracy ie. predict with greater detail where an accident may have occured just from the sound of the crash, and the feeling of what the people who were involved in the accident felt is just another predicting mechanism (in general, to put oneself in another's shoes is to better predict their behavior/future actions), it's all natural. But that is as far as its classification should go, imo. To read any more into it is the "talking myself into it" part you mentioned and that's where problems begin and one starts 'coloring' their future experiences based on what you talked yourself into.

The classification of all this into some evidence (although really only anecdotal anyway) of psi/paranormal/supernatural etc. should be the very last resort, if it should be resorted to at all - I really see no reason. For me now, it's like this, I have a clean slate and on it I place all that I can be certain of and all that I place on it must not be supported merely by anecdotal evidence, it must be supported by peer reviewed attempted-to-be-falsified evidence (in other words things that have withstood scrutiny and the scientific method). That does not stop me from perhaps believing that the "hello" my wife and I heard whilst putting our son to bed all those years ago was her deceased father trying to peek in on his new grandson. It is a valid explanation that however has no basis in known reality (what is on my slate), and certainly should not take precedence over pareidolia which is well known, studied and certainly is on my slate firmly grounded in reality.

What I see happening with all this anecdotal evidence thrown around, not yours specifically Seeker79 and not just about psi, but about psi, supernatural, paranormal, religious etc, whatever has been anecdotally reported, fervently argued but for which no other type of evidence exists is that there is a house (or houses) of cards being built, not on top of this nice slate that has basis in reality but in mid air above it. In other words, it's a house of cards floating in mid air (sort of like a thought bubble you see in cartoons when a character is thinking). Some people keep adding rooms to it, show others how wonderful their house of cards is and some try to convince others that since it's there it's as good as the ones that are built on top of the slate. Some people mistaken it for the real thing, try to move in and either live in the clouds or come crashing back down. What is certain though is that until a strong structure tethers it to the slate (of reality), it is still a precariously balanced house of cards floating in mid air and sooner or later unless it is tethered it WILL come crashing down.

There is only one sure method at this time to tether the house of cards to the slate of reality, and as much as it disappoints some of the believers, that is the scientific method.

[aquatus1]

Well...I can't really see any other conclusions, Seeker.  

Your system of validation really seems to boil down to "Trust me."

Your "method" seems to consist of "I can do things".

Your stance on "why" is a rather declarative "It doesn't really matter".

You know what...I am going to go ahead and stick with the OP.  It is my firm believe that if any headway is going to be done in either the supernatural or paranormal field, it is going to be done by organizations such as the Parapsychological Organization, who make clear, objective, research and publish their findings in accordance to scientific custom and principles, and who are not only willing, but expect, to be questioned and shown to be wrong.

[einfopedia]

ESP is statistically robust, meaning it can be reliably demonstrated through repeated trials. However, it may vary it but it tends to be weak when simple geometric symbols are used as targets. Photographic or video targets often produce effects many times larger, and there is some evidence that ESP on natural locations (as opposed to photos of them), and in natural contexts may be stronger still. Also, a lot has been learned about what kinds of conditions (such as the partial sensory deprivation used in the Ganzfeld) can enhance psi.i think maybe its helpful for everyone.

[bmk1245]

einfopedia, on 05 April 2012 - 05:03 AM, said:

[...] However, it may vary it but it tends to be weak when simple geometric symbols are used as targets. Photographic or video targets often produce effects many times larger, and there is some evidence that ESP on natural locations (as opposed to photos of them), and in natural contexts may be stronger still.[...]

Its quite simple - vagueness and wishful thinking make more complex "targets" as hits. Give chimp a pen and her doodle would fit almost everything.

[karmakazi]

bmk1245, on 05 April 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Its quite simple - vagueness and wishful thinking make more complex "targets" as hits. Give chimp a pen and her doodle would fit almost everything.

The target isn't more vague, it's just a different kind of imagery.  How would a photo of a mountain be more vauge than a picture of a circle, and what does a chimp have to do with it?

[bmk1245]

karmakazi, on 05 April 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

The target isn't more vague, it's just a different kind of imagery.  How would a photo of a mountain be more vauge than a picture of a circle, and what does a chimp have to do with it?

So why there are so much failures "reading" simplest figures, and, as claimed, "Photographic or video targets often produce effects many times larger"?!

Edit to add: all readings are the same as random picture drawn by chimp: throw any random word salad and it will fit any kind of event in life.

Edited by bmk1245, 05 April 2012 - 10:49 AM.

[karmakazi]

bmk1245, on 05 April 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

So why there are so much failures "reading" simplest figures, and, as claimed, "Photographic or video targets often produce effects many times larger"?!

The assumption would be that any kind of psychic ability would be tied in some way to emotional content so an actual thing/place would have more connection to the person than a simple random shape.

However, for any study to meet the needs of both sides, proper scientific controls would need to be put in place and vague interpretation of findings cannot be allowed; but it would also be important to consider the possibility that the phenomena may not be controllable (subconsiously driven) and may not appear in all people.  A very wide net would need to be cast to test vast numbers of people for lengthy periods of time.  With something as fleeting as psychic abilites are claimed to be, (by those who aren't trying to make money off of them) the bigger the sample size the greater the likelihood will be that if it existed it would be recorded.  

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Edit to add: all readings are the same as random picture drawn by chimp: throw any random word salad and it will fit any kind of event in life.

Ok, I see what you mean.  For a second there I was trying to imagine if some study was done where a person tried to mentally transmit an image to a chimp and see if they could draw it, lol!

[bmk1245]

karmakazi, on 05 April 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

The assumption would be that any kind of psychic ability would be tied in some way to emotional content so an actual thing/place would have more connection to the person than a simple random shape. [...]

I see it as lame excuse for failures. Whats next? Carpet too colorful? Moon phase wrong? Air too moist?

karmakazi, on 05 April 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

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However, for any study to meet the needs of both sides, proper scientific controls would need to be put in place and vague interpretation of findings cannot be allowed; but it would also be important to consider the possibility that the phenomena may not be controllable (subconsiously driven) and may not appear in all people.  A very wide net would need to be cast to test vast numbers of people for lengthy periods of time.  With something as fleeting as psychic abilites are claimed to be, (by those who aren't trying to make money off of them) the bigger the sample size the greater the likelihood will be that if it existed it would be recorded.  
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Fair enough.
BTW, I've read a while ago, that "readings" are somewhat similar to trying to hear a word in noisy environment. Well, if you can hardly hear "a word", how you can hear a whole poem then?

karmakazi, on 05 April 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

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Ok, I see what you mean.  For a second there I was trying to imagine if some study was done where a person tried to mentally transmit an image to a chimp and see if they could draw it, lol!

... and imagine this guy



in charge of result analysis

Edit to add.

Edited by bmk1245, 06 April 2012 - 02:18 PM.

[karmakazi]

bmk1245, on 06 April 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

BTW, I've read a while ago, that "readings" are somewhat similar to trying to hear a word in noisy environment. Well, if you can hardly hear "a word", how you can hear a whole poem then?

Are you referring to Nostradomus?  I totally agree... everything he wrote is so ridiculously vague and far to easy to make it fit whatever you want it to.  Same with the prophecies of the bible like revelations... could be made to mean anything.

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... and imagine this guy



in charge of result analysis

You know, he looks like a stand up guy.  I could get behind that! lol!

[bmk1245]

karmakazi, on 07 April 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

Are you referring to Nostradomus?  I totally agree... everything he wrote is so ridiculously vague and far to easy to make it fit whatever you want it to.  Same with the prophecies of the bible like revelations... could be made to mean anything.
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Actually, I was referring to simple figure (triangle, for example) as "word", and complex scenery as "poem".