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[preacherman76]

Yea its a unjust world we live in. Terrible things happen to good people everyday. Good for you that you do something that makes a difference. That helps people.

[libstaK]

aquatus1, on 03 March 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

I am not completely sure what prompted me to buy the bottle.  I am even less sure what prompted me to carefully pull the stopper and rub it gently on the side.  You could feel the power swirling out and around, you could feel the forces surging from above and below, so completely beyond anything that humans could comprehend, and when everything had returned to some sort of strange new stability, It stood before me, not visible, because the mere sight would have blinded me, and spoke, but not in words, because I suspect that its words would have destroyed me too, and to me it passed the concept, that by merely wishing for it, I could have anything I truly desired.

And I stood in mute incomprehension, and millions of thoughts crashed through my mind, but foremost among them, for I had always considered myself a humble person, I wondered, why me?  Why me, me, of all people, comfortable, healthy, educated, and content?  Why was this power suddenly given to me, when...surely...there had to be someone much, much more worthy than I.

And as the Power waited before me, above me, around me, with the patience of one who measures time in eons, not minutes, I felt through our connection, a mild, gentle amusement, at the notion that any human could accomplish anything that would even attract the attention of the gods.

Truly beautiful and profound, thanks I enjoyed reading this

[Beckys_Mom]

Mr Walker, on 03 March 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Oh dear another person who has chosen to get upset with me. Put me on ignore, please.

. it is hard for me to comprehend just what is making you so upset.

Ps dont threaten me or judge me. You dont know me as a person at all.

Mr Walker,  I know you are not  addressing me.. but  can you look at a few points? It might help things? Well might make some things you are confused about  more clearer? ..
If you look at one of the lines in your quote above, you note - It is hard for me to understand what is making you so upset....    Well the reason could be is because you have not ever considered that  with those you have annoyed   over time, you have not taken into consideration that maybe  there is something you are doing  and you just do not see it?

We ALL do this, we can act a certain way and never see what others see..  Trust me I know  I have been shown many times  in ref to my own behaviour.....  It is commonly known and referred to as -  Viewing  yourself   on the OUTSIDE  looking in.... to see yourself how others will see you and what they gather ..I have a feeling you cannot see this.. but many cant   So that is aimed at us ALL  not just you ...

Remember when you showed me you disliked  being called a Christian?   Yet claimed to follow the bible, and  how your wife  is  the Christian  but she is not like you, because, she has not had your  godly experiences.. You give the impression that  being a Christian is not good enough...I am not Christian and even I felt   it was a bit much.  lol ..But thing is you do not see it......I think maybe some Christians  did not like that too much  lol  It was kinna like saying - You all suck, y'all beneath me, do not ever call me a mere Christian
That is just  a small part of it..There is so much more..

You had me  and goodness know who else thinking.. So   because I suffered something  or my folks have  and so on,  we suffered because we are not like Mr Walkers  therefore God wont help  us...  That is a horrible feeling  and  not a nice thing to say....... And  trouble is  Mr Walker  you do not see it.. In fact you will go all out to tell us all that suffering does not exist..  You seem to think that if you view something one way, then that should be good enough for all ...

I am not going to go on.. But I feel we all can go through similar  to this... With you being  deep down a good man..  I feel you feel into the same as the rest of us, when we all sometimes  cannot see ourselves  how others see us... wouldn't you agree?    Is that a fair point?.

... I hope you can see that none of what I say here is meant to hurt or annoy..  You are a gentle person and funny  at times.. Your passion is to teach, we all know it.. But  We all have flaws right?...And the flaw I am showing you is one I too possess.. in a different way but  I am guilty of not seeing myself how others see me too..

Fluffybunny was not threatening you.. . I guess he just had his fill of it.. Because maybe has seen a lot of followers in God  that have suffered and here you are passing judgement..   That will upset anyone who cared...  So  I think maybe you should look at that more?  Or not  it is up to you?

Fluffybunny is a man of morals, he saves lives for al living. ( being a fire-fighter) . and you know something, he never brags about it, he never sets out to prove  himself to anyone ... He has shown compassionate words to people too......... But  see he doesn't need to jump up on some pedestal  to prove anything..  He most likely has faced some horrors in his life  with his job and so on... But  he wont condemn others .  He wont make  us feel bad because we do not do his job and save others... Why would he? .  He  does  not need to ...He isn't going to sit an talk about each life saving or changing experiences he has had  to prove anything ...  Many are like him... And who really goes all out to give a toss?  Who comes up to him  in the streets like you claim they do with you and praise him?...........

I ask myself in cases like this, who really cares about the real life savers and life changers...?   ......  But it seems to be  a lot only caring about  those who are religious that claim to help someone  or  others..  All because God is placed in... that makes it rise above everyone elses

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 03 March 2012 - 03:49 PM.

[Diablo Blanco]

aquatus1, on 29 February 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

Neat!

So, who caused it in the first place?

Isaiah 45:7
King James Version (KJV)

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

[questionmark]

Would be so much greater if Jesus healed stupidity....

[trancelikestate]

Church billboards are terrible. My fiend once saw a one that read "if your minds too open your brain will fall out"  

[libstaK]

trancelikestate, on 03 March 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Church billboards are terrible. My fiend once saw a one that read "if your minds too open your brain will fall out"  

Oh good grief.  There needed to be one directly across the road from it that said. "If your mind is too closed it will suffocate and rot".

[spud the mackem]

Dont you think that the church leader is advertising his church to get more people to attend,150 is not a football crowd,(unless your'e in Oz).But good luck to the afflicted people,I hope they get well.At a church near my house the local vicar put up a sign saying that "Jesus saves",but some young vandall wrote beneath,"I bet he couldnt on my wages".When your time is up you gotta go,its how you get there is the problem.If you wake up the next day its a bonus,if you dont,then you dont know as you are dead.

[Mr Walker]

Fluffybunny, on 03 March 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

I am a moderator here, I cannot put people on ignore, if I could, you would be the first. That is saying something considering what I have to put up with at times here.

You are nothing better than the people at westboro baptist. Your comments are disgusting. You push people against the very thing you claim to support. I don't care what you claim to give away, your words do more damage than any amount of donation could ever help. You may honestly think you are one thing, but it is clear by your words that is not true. You have failed along the way if you really think you are what you claim to be.

Fair enough. I will put you on ignore, then I wont be as likely to see, or respond to, your posts. and you wont have to get offended. I do not mean to, nor enjoy,  having another person chose to feel bad. That is not an adequate reason, however, for me to remain silent  about what I think.                                                                                                        I can appreciate your pov, but see it as just that one pov, and a partly limited world view. I dont deal with physical tragedy/trauma as often as you do, but i spent 10 years counselling adolescent students and dealing with their very real concerns. I have dealt with occasional suicides, traffic accidents, and violent deaths, involving people I love as deeply as i love myself. It is not that I dont feel sorrow or empathy. I find those fairly usless emotions, if that is all they  are                                                                                                        Rather than weeping, or getting upset, I try to invest my energies in doing what I can for people, both before and after the event. I appreciate you may not care that I give all that I can to others . Again, that is not my problem. I told you that because, to me, feeling sorrow or pain or anger etc is pointless, especially if thats as far as it goes. I believe one should act, rather than feel, on every problem one encounters in life.  Feeling does not make the slightest bit of differnce; acting does. I am sure that, as a paramedic, you can  understand this pov. Again, I will take  any judgements about my success or failure in life from my colleagues family, friends, community, and those who live with and around me. With respect, you are not qualified to make any judgement about who or what I am. I  try never to make such judgements about others, and i dont accept your ability, or right, to judge me. Ps life deals out pain and suffering to all humans, if  considerably less to those of us in the western world than to others. Faith, prayer, belief, and a connection to god, DO all help people both physically and psychologically. You can chose not to believe this, but it is a scientifically established fact. Also I am a scientific rationalist. I find it harder to be sympathetic with people who chose pain and sufering when other options are available to them.  If a drug takes away your pain and suffering then take it, but if faith, belief, and god, take it away; then go for that over the drugs, every time.

Edited by Mr Walker, 04 March 2012 - 01:37 AM.

[Meiliken]

Mr Walker, on 03 March 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Fearing anything is pointless  and non productive, but very few humans achieve this without belief. I did through years of hard work and effort, but it is much easirer when god takes the fear away. I was with you until you expressed your pov on humanity. It is easy not to fear death when you hate, or despise life and your felow livng beings. It is harder to surrender life when you love it, and all those around you.

Humans are what they are; both beautifual and ugly; both creators and destroyers.  The wonderful thing is that we are the only life form which has a choice about this. If some chose wrongly/badly, then so be it. That is a relatively small price to pay for the ability of us all to be who and what we chose to be.  I teach hundreds of children. Despite their many failings they are beautiful wonderful creative and strong creatures. I love them all teh good the bad and the ugly.  I change lives and people for the better, and make a differnce Every human has the potential to do the same and many many do.

I know from  personal experience how loving kind compassionate and caring my fellow humans are.  If they are also a little dumb and stupid at times, I can live with that, or try to educate them to be less so..

The bad part of all the "goodness" people show is it is more times than not a mask over the darkness within them.  This is how a "friend" will seem good and later betray you.  Mankind is a dark creature.  Barbaric to say the least.  You want to see the real face of humanity.  Look inside our prisons.

[Ron Jeremy]

Does faith heal spinal cord injury? How about gross amputation?

[Beckys_Mom]

Mr Walker, on 04 March 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

I find it harder to be sympathetic with people who chose pain and sufering when other options are available to them.  If a drug takes away your pain and suffering then take it, but if faith, belief, and god, take it away; then go for that over the drugs, every time.

Everyone who is anyone suffers,  either from pains, or loss...  It will happen and no one is immune...  Unless you have humans with no real emotions, but see those only exist on Star Trek  not real life, they are called The Borg...  

To sum up  everyone will suffer, heck even Jeuss had to suffer..  you or I are no different..    The reality is  trying to overcome suffering and pain .....and finding ways to cope, that is reality...  

  This is why we have councillors,  doctors  and so on.. If people could make a random choice and not show emotions and feel pain..   a lot of councillors and doctors  etc would be out of a job.. Looks like you would too, as you claim to council people.. in your last post

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 04 March 2012 - 10:55 AM.

[Kryso]

Religion... I swear its caused more problems than solved.

[Leonardo]

Kryso, on 04 March 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Religion... I swear its caused more problems than solved.

I'd be curious to know of any 'problems' religion has solved?

[Mr Walker]

Meiliken, on 04 March 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

The bad part of all the "goodness" people show is it is more times than not a mask over the darkness within them.  This is how a "friend" will seem good and later betray you.  Mankind is a dark creature.  Barbaric to say the least.  You want to see the real face of humanity.  Look inside our prisons.

I dont see or find humanity to be this way. Sure there is a potential for evil and harm. But that is balanced by an equal potential for good and creativity.

The world I live in, on balance is kind loving caring etc.

There is very little true evil in humans. There is certainly ignorance, fear,  poor education, poor parenting, unfortunate circumstances, etc.

But, for example, very few humans hurt animals just for the pleasure of it, and most of them have a form of illness.
I would not know one in a thousand people  who is like those you describe. I am truly sorry that your life experience is obviously different to my own, and thus your conclusions about people are very different.