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#106    Beckys_Mom

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:39 PM

View PostRobbie333, on 10 April 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

   Oh yes, all in all the Christians most of them have murdered, burned and butchered thousands. Those horrible Catholics are the worse of the lot. I

You post the truth as if it were sarcasm...But see truth is in three past  a lot of this was in fact true...  You seem too far in the denial Robbie and I am serious ...Denial  doesn't do anyone any favours

I was raised once a Catholic and even I knew about the witch burnings and killing they once were VERY guilty of......

If oyu are willing to act in denial of what they once did to so many killing them? Then you may as well ignore the real facts of anyone killed in the name of any religion....Ignorance is bliss for some Posted Image

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:41 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 10 April 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

You post the truth as if it were sarcasm...But see truth is in three past  a lot of this was in fact true...  You seem too far in the denial Robbie and I am serious ...Denial  doesn't do anyone any favours

I was raised once a Catholic and even I knew about the witch burnings and killing they once were VERY guilty of......

If oyu are willing to act in denial of what they once did to so many killing them? Then you may as well ignore the real facts of anyone killed in the name of any religion....Ignorance is bliss for some Posted Image

             Oh I know the history BM and you are correct. Many died because of religion but Catholics were not the only ones whom committed these horrible crimes. Many, many have been killed for their religions. Right? Look at all the people I had to kill in my career for what, because it was my duty. It was my duty to kill in a place that had no connection to the US except drugs or just getting a paycheck to fight to feed their familys. Do you think I killed the people responsibe for this. NO, but I did it anyway. Now I have to live with this. The Catholic Church has changed much and it is my belief that Jesus is the Messiah. Nothing can change that. Bliss? No not for me. I am educated in the classroom as well as in life, so I have weighed it all out. It works and is right for me and I do a lot of good for people  through the church. A lot of good. Allow me this to erase the killing darkness, OK?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:44 PM

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Oh I know the history BM and you are correct. Many died because of religion but Catholics were not the only ones whom committed these horrible crimes.

Robbie... Truth is..like it or not.. The Catholic church  played a heavy part in killing  innocent women and some of their family members   because of witch claims... The witch trials were  done in the name  of religion...
Being sarky about it is not going to change that fact was the point i was making previously...

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   It was my duty to kill in a place that had no connection to the US except drugs or just getting a paycheck to fight to feed their familys. Do you think I killed the people responsibe for this. NO, but I did it anyway.              

I do not know why you mention this... It has  nothing to do with witch trials  ....And it was NOT the duty of the Catholic church to take the lives of  many woman and some of their  families   They took it upon themselves to carry out these killings  because of  their beliefs  .... You have not made any real point

Catholic church in present times differ.. Laws of the land  prevents  them from what they did in the past... So they cannot do what they once did.... So  you now view them as good.. so be it.. But see we are not talking about present times  are we?  Witch trials  and killings were not in present modern times..  This is not about your personal view of how you NOW see the church ..I am only speaking of the past witch trials and killings..I see no point in dragging in other things... The topic is about witches...

Hope you do not feel  off with me over this..I am only pointing out  what I know is fact and  what should be looked at ...   No hard feelings  ..

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:53 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 02 March 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

So humans cannot ever be twisted  and bad   without the aid of some demons?  

That must mean  human beings can never be fully capable of doing wrong, therefore should never take full responsibility  for their own actions?

Why stop there... lets also add...

I guess if people do good turns,  its not really them, they must be possessed by  goodie gum drop angels?

Heck we all must be possessed by some strange entity, for every mood swing we take...    So there must be  PMS Spirits?  HRT demons? ..Funny mood angels?   Cheesed off demons?

Can't imagine what we would bl like  IF  no angel, demon  or any spirit possessed  us  for whatever mood may come...  Drones anyone?

This line of thinking is getting too darn strange, that even Scientologists   would call  WEIRD !!

BRILLIANT!! Couldn't have said it better myself. Also, if wetting yourself meant that you were surely possessed and came with a death sentence then how many children would make it into adulthood?


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 08:30 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 10 April 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

Robbie... Truth is..like it or not.. The Catholic church  played a heavy part in killing  innocent women and some of their family members   because of witch claims... The witch trials were  done in the name  of religion...
Being sarky about it is not going to change that fact was the point i was making previously...



I do not know why you mention this... It has  nothing to do with witch trials  ....And it was NOT the duty of the Catholic church to take the lives of  many woman and some of their  families   They took it upon themselves to carry out these killings  because of  their beliefs  .... You have not made any real point

Catholic church in present times differ.. Laws of the land  prevents  them from what they did in the past... So they cannot do what they once did.... So  you now view them as good.. so be it.. But see we are not talking about present times  are we?  Witch trials  and killings were not in present modern times..  This is not about your personal view of how you NOW see the church ..I am only speaking of the past witch trials and killings..I see no point in dragging in other things... The topic is about witches...

Hope you do not feel  off with me over this..I am only pointing out  what I know is fact and  what should be looked at ...   No hard feelings  ..

        Of course there are no hard feelings. First I understand what the church did during the witch trials. How could I deny it? It is history and terrible. My point in telling you about what I did is that people can be led blindly into doing, good people. The church indeed is guilty of this. What I said I did was my feeble attempt at trying to tell you how we can get caught up from what we are told is right and wrong and even someone with a heart as good as mine can do horrors. Now, my faith lets me attempt to erase, no, forget that I was that naive and killed for nothing in a sense. The church gives me peace and I take all I can get. I am tired of the pain from the fighting. It served no purpose just as the church killing people for being witches served no purpose. We do a lot of good for the homeless, down trodden, drug addiction, abortion pain and healing for guys like me dealing with fighting and so on. I am a big part of all of this here and it helps me heal. Thats all. Oh, by the way------Shut up stupid !!!:P

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:32 PM

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of this. What I said I did was my feeble attempt at trying to tell you how we can get caught up from what we are told is right and wrong and even someone with a heart as good as mine can do horrors.

I cannot excuse anything what the church  did back in those times..  I wouldn't even try and  mention  anything else..  All the things you added  had no relevance  to what we were talking about..That is all I was saying...  

When I read your previous act of sarcasm  over the witch trial thing I saw nothing but pure bias...  I cannot  allow my bias  in the way of actual facts ..Thats all am saying

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 21 March 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Aust kids are taught process based learing . For example, I model, scaffold, and exemplar a piece of work; then we work on a piece together; then they do one themselves. For example we are doing persausive writing ATM.  I give examples to start with. I teach how to use experts , structure an essay, use powerful verbs and adjectives etc.

In a piece of work involving discussion of an issue, I wil certainly outline my own opinions on it , ask kids for their own, then get them to go online, and find a number of opposing points of view etc. They will be asked to critically analyse both the information/opinion and the source, for bias  rationale etc.

In the end, students are asked to give their own opinion  and offer solutons and cost benefit anlyses on solutions to a problem, backed up by logical rationales.

The opinion does not have to be right, or agree with my own, but it must be thought out and well suported. That said certain ethics, values, and principles, are mandated in australian schools, by curriculum and govt.  They have to be taught and encouraged. It's a free society so kids dont have to accept them, although they are strongly encouraged and socialised into oing so.

Thats a long answer to your question. In brief I give my opinion on everything. It is expected of me as a teacher; but the students both, look for other sources, and apply logical thought and other tools to ALL sources of information. MAny kids get very good at this but of course some think its a total waste of time, and cut and paste as much as they ycna form the web.

I bring to this process a real love for every child I teach, something I think which suprises them, and which they dont really understand and appreciate until they are adults themselves , combined with a respect for each individuall child. If I am having trouble with a child i only ever have to ask "Have i ever disrespected you as a person?" and when they have to reply "no" Then add, Then all i ask is the same from yoU" (99% of the tim e this combination, when applied honestly and openly works very well. Some students are so hurt and broken tha tthey cant relate to this and they ned more work and time.)
Two other thngs i point out to teenagers is that i am paid almost 90000 dollars a year to teach them and that makess the learning time valuable, Mos teenagers can relate to the monetary value of something. . On the other hand I point out that if i had my way, i would be teaching them even if no one paid me, because teaching is not about money but about love of the teaching/ learning process and of the value and power of knowledge.

Sorry, been away for a bit, so was not able to follow since I was last here, but I did want to add to this.  The reliability of a teacher is on thing I will always hold dear to me.  All through 6-12 grade, I began finding that the majority of my teachers were full of garbage.  They would use their own personal feelings and not was factually right, and I regularly would call them out on it.  I always had near max scores on the things I did in school work, but only because I learned to disregard the teachers.  The saying goes "those who can, do, those who can't, teach."  I have more respect for someone who teaches facts, than one that teaches what they believe.  A teacher can be an absolute moron, and still be a teacher.  And that is horrifying.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:09 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 12 April 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

I cannot excuse anything what the church  did back in those times..  I wouldn't even try and  mention  anything else..  All the things you added  had no relevance  to what we were talking about..That is all I was saying...  

When I read your previous act of sarcasm  over the witch trial thing I saw nothing but pure bias...  I cannot  allow my bias  in the way of actual facts ..Thats all am saying

This goes in line with what I was saying to MW.  The reliability of the teachers that teach such horrifying things are part of the problem.  A church that teaches and encourages people to harm others is a travesty. :cry:

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:41 PM

View PostAnne-Marie, on 10 April 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

BRILLIANT!! Couldn't have said it better myself. Also, if wetting yourself meant that you were surely possessed and came with a death sentence then how many children would make it into adulthood?

Good point.. Religion  for many things has in fact ruined a lot of peoples lives...Dumbed down explanations  are the killers ..They have killed and destroyed  all in the name of religion  ignorance

Get this..A documentary about Africa's witch children  ( shown on channel 4 )   Explain how they  were visited by a Christian group..Was not long before many of them wee brainwashed ....Then lead their own churches... One of the religious  ideas given was  ->   If a newborn baby o  young toddler cries  in the middle of the night.. he or she is the devil spawn

Did you ever in your life hear such moronic  crap? ...

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