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[Lilly]

I was just struck by the realization that a great deal of UFOs supposedly crash. Makes me wonder how these ETs managed to make it across the vastness of space to begin with?...seeing as they're accident prone and all.

[Sensible Logic]

First I must apologize for not having any links.  I got so into the research I was doing on the various sites I never wrote the addresses down.  Right now I'm just too lazy to go get them.

Let us look at some important points of the story

• Joined the army in December 1945 and left in January 1947 as an E4.
  
• Transferred to USAF in 1950 for Korean War
  
• Flew P-51 Mustangs in Korea until wounded in Dec. 1950
  
• He joined USAF Reserves in 1952.
  
• Flew Cold War training missions in the mid 1950s
  
• Later served as a Project Blue Book investigator
  
• Rose to the rank of Colonel in the Reserve
  
• Plaque shows him in Civil Air Patrol from 1948-1973.
  
• Reached the rank of colonel in the reserves.
  
• A fast object approached the group from the North West and was supposedly tracked first by the Distant Early Warning radar.
  
• It was a nocturnal sighting .
  
• He supposedly found and circled the crash site and could see all the details.
  
• Returned to the group and told them he had to get out of there and go home.
  
• Flew back to Fort Worth, Drove to Corsacana CAP Field, flew in a light plane back to area south of Langtry.   Approximately a 5 1/2 hour time period.
  
• Told his story to a reporter and was interviewed (2 different interviews) in the 1960's.  Article in NICAP file found in 1977 and Willingham signed an affidavit.  In none of the three (interviews and affidavit) did Willingham specify a year.

His time in the air force including Korea and the reserves are suspect due mainly to the facts that they don't transfer you to another branch 3 years after you leave the military and the CAP plaque indicates he was in the Civil Air Patrol during that time.

That he was in the CAP and not the USAF is supported by two parts of the story.  First that after supposedly landing his F-86, he did not get a light plane at the base but drove an hour and a half to a Civil Air Patrol field to get one and Second, If he were in the USAF his leaving the mission and doing what he did would have resulted in a charge of dereliction of duty and jail time, not just a reprimand.
It is interesting to note that you can reach the rank of Colonel in the CAP.

With the DEW line located in the northernmost part of Canada and pointing north to detect any Russian launches, an object moving at 2000 mph from the direction of Russia would have had all the bells and whistles going off in both Canada and the U.S. and interceptors would have been scrambled all along it's path.  There is no indication of this happening so it was not detected by the DEW line.

Coming from the NW of western Texas would have been in the general direction of Russia across the Pacific so interceptors along the west coast would have been scrambled in it's flight path but no indication of such scrambles have come to light.

The crash of an unknown object that has flown over American soil during the cold war would have had a team from the U.S. there soon after the sighting yet only a Mexican team was supposedly found upon Willinghams' return.

It was a night flight and he supposedly followed the vapor trail in the dark.  Also at night he supposedly saw enough detail to conclude he could safely land a light plane in the area in the dark.  Further he landed and was not detained by the Mexican military for questioning why he , in a CAP light plane, was in that area of Mexico at that time.

My assessment of it and one not necessarily shared by anyone else is that the inconsistencies and falsehoods point to a fraudulent story.

[Sensible Logic]

booNyzarC, on 05 March 2012 - 04:53 AM, said:

Haven't you heard Bouncer?  Flying saucers can be brought down by...  RADAR...

Didn't they show something like that in the 50's movie "Earth Vs. the Flying Saucers"?

[booNyzarC]

Lilly, on 05 March 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

I was just struck by the realization that a great deal of UFOs supposedly crash. Makes me wonder how these ETs managed to make it across the vastness of space to begin with?...seeing as they're accident prone and all.

This is one of the primary reasons that my BS meter starts going off the charts as soon as I hear someone tell a story involving crashed flying saucers.

Sensible Logic, on 05 March 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Didn't they show something like that in the 50's movie "Earth Vs. the Flying Saucers"?

They may very well have, but many people have suggested that RADAR was used to bring down the purported Roswell craft(s).

[lost_shaman]

booNyzarC, on 05 March 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

This is one of the primary reasons that my BS meter starts going off the charts as soon as I hear someone tell a story involving crashed flying saucers.

Crash stories are almost all hoaxes or disinformation.

booNyzarC, on 05 March 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

They may very well have, but many people have suggested that RADAR was used to bring down the purported Roswell craft(s).

I don't think there were any RADAR's in the area those that were didn't have the range, the one that may have was at White Sands but it was aimed upwards because it was used to track the Rockets that were being fired into space.

[1963]

Hi guys...
It would appear that (not for the first time   ) I have been 'temporarily taken in' by a cracking story, told by a seemingly trustworthy 'Old Soldier'!
The fact is...that this 'stand-up , salt of the earth old veteran' has been cashing in on his 'Fairytale' for years!
..I really must put a little more effort into research 'BEFORE' posting !!...And not afterwards!..And then maybe I would have thought better of it and saved myself a little embarrassment, when I came across the half a dozen or so articles that are floating around the net, that clearly and comprehensively debunks the 'Old codgers' hoax!
I'll spare you the tedium of sharing all of the hoax-exposing articles in the knowledge that this brief summary from Kevin Randle should suffice....

http://kevinrandle.b...-interview.html

...in the light of this information, the only mystery left in this particular story is...how come a book authored by a couple of respected writer/researchers  Noe Torres, Ruben Uriarte about the 'event' was so well received a couple of years back?..perhaps the tag of 'respected' writer/researchers has been misplaced..?  

Cheers.

Edited by 1963, 05 March 2012 - 11:33 PM.

[spud the mackem]

bouncer, on 05 March 2012 - 04:47 AM, said:

One of the issues I have and always have had, is why do UFO's allegedly crash? I mean, they have enough tech to cross the universe, if indeed they do, have stunning craft capable of all sorts of maneuvers, speeds and abilities, yet they just cant seem to avoid crashing on earth!  Nah it just doesn't sit well with me. WE on earth have top pilots with top aircraft who complete their missions and return to base, and with only a very small percentage of those missions lost to dog fights, ground to air missiles, and very very rarely, mechanical failure.

WE have a good record in aviation and thats only with jets and 100 years of flight under the belt.

So alien tech then must be infinitely more capable of 'missions' with their highly advanced craft, which should perhaps, have all sorts of inbuilt safety mechanisms and autopilot type guidance functions and stuff we cant even imagine...

yet they crash.

And no trace is ever found or heard of ever again.

Nah, sounds like a shaggy dog story...

   And the Titanic wasnt supposed to sink !,anything that flies or sails can have an accident,if this guy is telling the truth,any gov't would blanket out the evidence to avoid population panic.He doesnt sound like he has Alzhiemers,and I know about that my mum had it.

[PersonFromPorlock]

'Col. Robert B. Willingham' appears to exist on the web only in terms of this sighting. Also, nothing else on the web (for various versions of the name and different ranks) in connection with George S. Patton.

So, possibly a fertiliser of roses.

Edited by PersonFromPorlock, 06 March 2012 - 12:27 AM.

[bmk1245]

1963, on 05 March 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

[...]how come a book authored by a couple of respected writer/researchers  Noe Torres, Ruben Uriarte about the 'event' was so well received a couple of years back?..perhaps the tag of 'respected' writer/researchers has been misplaced..?  

Cheers.

There is much of the research here as in M.Emoto's "science".
And yes, nowadays "respected" in UFOlogy is the one who makes more cheese from the same amount of

[DONTEATUS]

If the Radar dont get-em the Salt water will ! Remember to load your Water Guns !

[psyche101]

I think catch-cries like "Another Roswell" are stories that do not stand on their own, and need to rely upon a better publicised tale to help prop them up. Such references are something of a red flag I find.

[spud the mackem]

DONTEATUS, on 06 March 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

If the Radar dont get-em the Salt water will ! Remember to load your Water Guns !

  Ha Ha,I guess that you gotta have a sense of humour on this website,as it seems whatever you say,someone will come along and try and shoot you down,salt water is for aliens I would rather have a "bud"..cheers

[DONTEATUS]

spud the mackem, on 06 March 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

Ha Ha,I guess that you gotta have a sense of humour on this website,as it seems whatever you say,someone will come along and try and shoot you down,salt water is for aliens I would rather have a "bud"..cheers

Well the bottom line is THe more expression and opinions that are fielded in here the better. WHo knows we just may some day need this place to really di-sect an actual encounter.
When that days comes this place will really Go on over load !
I wonder just where the First Real Roswell will be ?  My money is on a very Large World center of power, Maybe  Sweden,could be THe orig,Holy Land,or even  Stonehenge! WHos knows ?
One thing for sure ,there will be many ,MANY NoN-BELIEVERS even when they Land !  I will suggest they eat them first !

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[booNyzarC]

1963, on 05 March 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

Hi guys...
It would appear that (not for the first time   ) I have been 'temporarily taken in' by a cracking story, told by a seemingly trustworthy 'Old Soldier'!
The fact is...that this 'stand-up , salt of the earth old veteran' has been cashing in on his 'Fairytale' for years!
..I really must put a little more effort into research 'BEFORE' posting !!...And not afterwards!..And then maybe I would have thought better of it and saved myself a little embarrassment, when I came across the half a dozen or so articles that are floating around the net, that clearly and comprehensively debunks the 'Old codgers' hoax!
I'll spare you the tedium of sharing all of the hoax-exposing articles in the knowledge that this brief summary from Kevin Randle should suffice....

http://kevinrandle.b...-interview.html

...in the light of this information, the only mystery left in this particular story is...how come a book authored by a couple of respected writer/researchers  Noe Torres, Ruben Uriarte about the 'event' was so well received a couple of years back?..perhaps the tag of 'respected' writer/researchers has been misplaced..?  

Cheers.

This is one of the reasons I have so much respect for you 1963.  Cheers mate.

[spud the mackem]

booNyzarC, on 06 March 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:

This is one of the reasons I have so much respect for you 1963.  Cheers mate.

   Hyde Park,LONDON,on a Sunday morning used to be the place to go and have a laugh,anything from the manic to the deadly serious goes.Some of these people could talk a glass eye to sleep.I dont know whether it still goes on as I havnt lived in London for a long time,but I guess some of these folk use this website.Dont kick yourself for being suckered now and then,everyone is at some time..cheers.