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#1    trancelikestate

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 01:29 AM

I myself don't follow any set beliefs but I've been reading into both celtic paganism and wicca recently purely out of curiosity and was wondering if there's anyone on here who actually performs the spellcaft related to these religions. My question for you is does it work and what kind of experiences can you share?

I'm not looking for the opinions of skeptics in this thread as I'm not tying to create a "is it real or not" debate. I would like to hear only from those involved in the pagan religions if at all possible, although I'm sure I'll get posts from everyone anyway.


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Posted 05 March 2012 - 03:51 AM

There are probably as many kinds of wiccans as there are Christians. It's my opinion, which is probably worth a nickel, maybe less, ceremony/ritual sets the intention by bringing a thought or idea out of the non-physical realm into the physical. And, wiccan ritual is not about creating spells that are intended to give the practitioner power over another person or the natural world. If that is one's intention, it would be good to remember that wiccan belief that what we put out into the world comes back to us multiplied many times.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 05:59 AM

I practice.
My roots are Wicca,and I guess Celtic practices,but I wouldn't say this is where it all originates.
I personally,am initiated into 2 forms of Wicca,Gardnerian,and Welsh.Which are probably the oldest and most traditional.
Wicca,Gardnerian Wicca,is a very young religion.Barely 100 years,as Wicca anyway.
There are many covens that declare another subset.
Black Forest,Silver Serpent,Aridian,Alexandrian.blah blah blah .
I do not like certain aspects of Wiccan community,and covens,so I am what you call a solitary.I do work with others,but I dont do the weekly kiss the stone,burn some stuff,and call on Artemis kind of stuff. It just isn't me.
Wicca,is really a derivation of what is today called Stregheria,but no one will admit to this.Gardner traveled extensively in Italy,observing the locals,who still practice this ancient art today.
If you look at ancient Rome,like BC Rome,some of the rituals used by wiccans today,have been documented as roman pagan practices.
Gardner also took part of the initiation process used in stregha,and claimed it as his own.
If anyone doesn't believe this,as some wiccans will say ,OH NOOOOO,WE LEARNED FROM THE FAERIES..no,have a talk with Raven Grimassi,and then get back to me.

Again,the Wiccan community can be quite tedious,given they dont even know their own the history half the time.

Celtic practices,I would say came down from ancient druidic practices in Europe.I know people who practice this stuff today.Very powerful stuff.A lot of sex magick,and female empowerment and earth magick.Just think Stonehenge.

I personally prefer island religious practices.Santeria and religions therein,can for the most part,trace their roots to Niger and the Congo,which then laid roots in Haiti.

Santeria Orishas all have a voodoo counter part,which is not a coincidence.Santeria comes from voodoo in my opinion,but im not so sure a whole lot of Cubans would agree with me.Maybe.

I do use deities from the Hindu,Egyptian,and Buddhist pantheons.
Im ecclectic. The longer you practice,the less you have to physically do. Most high priestess/priests,will agree.
You just have to think on it .Magick,also depends upon the karma of the individual doing it.
If you are not meant to marry Justin Beiber,or be a trillionaire,no amount of spells will change this.
Most spells amount to the power of positive thinking,with added physical ritual.

Im not sure exactly what you want to know,except who seriously practices here,or what we do.
I have altars in my home.I have objects of high magick ,which most practitioners do not.
I believe in God,and I am more spiritual than religious.
Does it work,well it does if it's meant to be.
Some things should never be toyed with .
Magick to kill someone,make someone sick .Revenge magick,grey area.Deoends what they did to you.
Love magick,and money magick,are,as I said ,karmic.
If you do magick for say badly needed rent money,you will get it,a million dollars,probably not.
Love magick can have serious consequences .You can end up with a stalking situation .
My advice is always ,not to do love magick on one specific person.I mean it can be meant to be,but its rare.

Edited by missymoo999, 05 March 2012 - 06:43 AM.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 07:12 AM

God/the cosmic consciousness is integrated into all apsects of the universe and connects them all into one unified entity. Thus, for me, what might be called earth magic works well. One can talk to trees to get good advice.

One should respect, and take into consideration, the "nature of nature" when one is in it. Most early pagan magic was aimed at working with, and appeasing the spirits of, nature. To me, these are all interconnected elemets of god, but i still am tempted to make an offering to the earth or to a forest. I treat animals with repsct because they are a part of this web of life/ consciousness. The earth and nature contain elemantal forces which are a part of the life force of god. They can heal and harm and possess great power. One must work in synchronicity/symmetry with them to live succesfully in the "real " world, rather than fight/oppose them.

In our urban lives we tend to both reject and forget this truth, but if you spend much time in the wild and quiet places of earth. you will be reminded of it, often very powerfully.  I sometimes think atheism would be a very difficult belief to sustain, if a person lived for long, at one with nature. Eventually, one would come to sense, perceive, and connect to, the god(s) of nature,  no matter how educated one was in biology etc.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 08:29 AM

I practice as a Christian witch. Ritual is a wonderful way to psychologically balance yourself. Nature is also wonderful but I constantly integrate my practice to the urban reality I live in.

There is no sense in lying to myself in believing that the city is miserable and nature is some idyllic paradise where everything would be perfect. No, I try to find the sacredness and magic of the city, its streets, forms, grids, parks, parking lots, drains, structures, green belts, people, and my place in all of this.

There is energy in so many places, traffic is like a river, storm drains can hide and carry away, trees watch but also guard, buildings have their own pulse, and spells can make use of this.

There has always been a divide between rural and urban magic. Northern Europe always made more use of rural forms while Southern Europe tended to hage more urban practitioners. La Celestina is a work of fiction but demonstrates a portrait of urban magic. Love spells, fortune telling, card reading, all involve urban concerns and make use of products not easily found in purely agricultural societies. An example are tarot cards which require an urban environment to even be made as a product.


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Posted 05 March 2012 - 08:30 AM

Double post but anyways returning or finding simpler ways to live in the city is awesome. So much hope. Things are getting better because magic or not people are starting to be on the same page regarding making our cities more liveable.

Edited by Unseelie, 05 March 2012 - 08:35 AM.


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Posted 05 March 2012 - 08:55 AM

Some cities/cultures,live with nature ,much better than others Unseelie.Just my observation.
To live with nature in the NYC area,you have to be able to afford a house with a large backyard.And yes,we have parks and so on,but it's all rather sterile now.
The earth in our backyards is life less.
We dont have butterflies,and bees anymore.
Some birds,and you can say plant a hummingbird garden,but they dont come.
But then in Japan,you can be in the middle of Tokyo,and the gardens in the backyards,no matter how small,team with life.
Fruit trees and birds and bugs and all manner of animal.
Their parks are natural zoos,not man made.
I go to the parks in Japan,and feed the birds and the koi and the turtles...
Its a whole different feel. I'd love to plant a garden at home,but they just do not flourish. My fig trees still grow.My uncle planted them when I was a child.They died one winter,and grew back 2 years later.I like to think his soul lives in the branches.
Its hard,very hard ,to be with nature,in my city.Sad but true.
I saw incredible photos of apartment buildings in the Philippines,all planted.The roofs,the balconies.Explosions of lush color .Some cities in the USA are utilizing rooftops to grow food!
Not NYC.I call our mayor our Fuhrer.The title fits.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 02:37 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 05 March 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

God/the cosmic consciousness is integrated into all apsects of the universe and connects them all into one unified entity. Thus, for me, what might be called earth magic works well. One can talk to trees to get good advice.

One should respect, and take into consideration, the "nature of nature" when one is in it. Most early pagan magic was aimed at working with, and appeasing the spirits of, nature. To me, these are all interconnected elemets of god, but i still am tempted to make an offering to the earth or to a forest. I treat animals with repsct because they are a part of this web of life/ consciousness. The earth and nature contain elemantal forces which are a part of the life force of god. They can heal and harm and possess great power. One must work in synchronicity/symmetry with them to live succesfully in the "real " world, rather than fight/oppose them.

In our urban lives we tend to both reject and forget this truth, but if you spend much time in the wild and quiet places of earth. you will be reminded of it, often very powerfully.  I sometimes think atheism would be a very difficult belief to sustain, if a person lived for long, at one with nature. Eventually, one would come to sense, perceive, and connect to, the god(s) of nature,  no matter how educated one was in biology etc.


your beliefs are very similar to the current state of my ever evolving beliefs.


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Wicca,is really a derivation of what is today called Stregheria,but no one will admit to this.Gardner traveled extensively in Italy,observing the locals,who still practice this ancient art today.
If you look at ancient Rome,like BC Rome,some of the rituals used by wiccans today,have been documented as roman pagan practices.
Gardner also took part of the initiation process used in stregha,and claimed it as his own.

I've never actually heard about stregheria before. The last book I read was about druidry, the current about wicca, I think stregheria will be my next area of study.

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Im not sure exactly what you want to know,except who seriously practices here,or what we do.

Pretty much ya, more of the what you do and how it works for you. I'm a person who is on an ongoing spiritual quest at the moment (this from christian turned hardcore athiest I might add) and in paganism seems to be something which resembles closest to my current beliefs. I guess I'm looking for those who practice to either solidify (or push me away from if thats the case) these current feelings. I'm just ever evolving and ever curious, so please continue.

Edited by trancelikestate, 06 March 2012 - 02:59 AM.


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Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:25 AM

There is power in the universe that can be harnessed through various means.  The nature of Nature, for example, provides a huge amount of power to tap into.  As a Christian I don't tap into those powers because I prefer to rely on God.  But before I became a Christian I witnessed (and experienced) the power of "pagan magic", so I have no doubt that such things can and do happen, and that the power can be harnessed and used by those who wish to learn how to do it.  

Sorry, you said you only wanted pagan responses, but as someone who long ago looked into pagan ideas and briefly joined a pagan group, I wanted to share that such things are possible and do happen, even though today I respect my God too much to actually practice those kinds of things.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 03:38 PM

View PostParanoid Android, on 06 March 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

There is power in the universe that can be harnessed through various means.  The nature of Nature, for example, provides a huge amount of power to tap into.  As a Christian I don't tap into those powers because I prefer to rely on God.  But before I became a Christian I witnessed (and experienced) the power of "pagan magic", so I have no doubt that such things can and do happen, and that the power can be harnessed and used by those who wish to learn how to do it.  

Sorry, you said you only wanted pagan responses, but as someone who long ago looked into pagan ideas and briefly joined a pagan group, I wanted to share that such things are possible and do happen, even though today I respect my God too much to actually practice those kinds of things.

Hope this is of help :tu:


no I appreciate a response from a monotheist. In fact your experience takes away a certain bias I think others may have. It's the skeptics who really wouldn't have anything constructive to contribute to the topic I want to avoid.

I do have a question for you though. Why is it that you believe your god would be "disrespected" by someone taping into the natural powers of the universe? Some, myself included, feel that they are the same energy that you consider "god." Do you disagree and if so what do you think they are?

Edited by trancelikestate, 06 March 2012 - 03:39 PM.


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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:51 PM

View PostBeany, on 05 March 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

There are probably as many kinds of wiccans as there are Christians. It's my opinion, which is probably worth a nickel, maybe less, ceremony/ritual sets the intention by bringing a thought or idea out of the non-physical realm into the physical. And, wiccan ritual is not about creating spells that are intended to give the practitioner power over another person or the natural world. If that is one's intention, it would be good to remember that wiccan belief that what we put out into the world comes back to us multiplied many times.
Good answer. Focusing personal thoughts and attention or bringing a group of people into the same thought and intention. Not unlike prayer and group prayer.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:59 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 05 March 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

God/the cosmic consciousness is integrated into all apsects of the universe and connects them all into one unified entity. Thus, for me, what might be called earth magic works well. One can talk to trees to get good advice.

One should respect, and take into consideration, the "nature of nature" when one is in it. Most early pagan magic was aimed at working with, and appeasing the spirits of, nature. To me, these are all interconnected elemets of god, but i still am tempted to make an offering to the earth or to a forest. I treat animals with repsct because they are a part of this web of life/ consciousness. The earth and nature contain elemantal forces which are a part of the life force of god. They can heal and harm and possess great power. One must work in synchronicity/symmetry with them to live succesfully in the "real " world, rather than fight/oppose them.

In our urban lives we tend to both reject and forget this truth, but if you spend much time in the wild and quiet places of earth. you will be reminded of it, often very powerfully.  I sometimes think atheism would be a very difficult belief to sustain, if a person lived for long, at one with nature. Eventually, one would come to sense, perceive, and connect to, the god(s) of nature,  no matter how educated one was in biology etc.
Brovo MW. You always say exactly what I don't have the poise to say properly.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:48 PM

Look into ceremonial magick, it covers everything.  :)


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 12:12 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 06 March 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

There is power in the universe that can be harnessed through various means.  The nature of Nature, for example, provides a huge amount of power to tap into.  As a Christian I don't tap into those powers because I prefer to rely on God.  But before I became a Christian I witnessed (and experienced) the power of "pagan magic", so I have no doubt that such things can and do happen, and that the power can be harnessed and used by those who wish to learn how to do it.  

Sorry, you said you only wanted pagan responses, but as someone who long ago looked into pagan ideas and briefly joined a pagan group, I wanted to share that such things are possible and do happen, even though today I respect my God too much to actually practice those kinds of things.

Hope this is of help :tu:

PA joined a pagan group!  *gasps*  Do you mean there was a time you were groovy before you became a goody goody Christian choir boy? :o   :P I'm teasing, but I'm curious to know what you witnessed and experienced if you'd care to elaborate.  

As to the OP, yes, one of my very best friends is pagan.  There was a dog that got hurt climbing a chain link fence, she had her foot hung in it and fell backwards.  The leg was broken so bad that when she walked it would actually swing side to side up at the hip.  The vet said it would need a special surgeon just to do it so before the surgery, some of the swelling had to go down.  It was swollen just awful, and so while they were waiting she came up with a little healing ritual.  I helped, but she was the one with the experience.  I'd read books and stuff, but you do this thing where she said you raise energy and at the part, the dog started reacting, getting hyped up like she felt something.  Well it was nothing that materialized but within a week, the dog was putting weight on the leg and she never had the surgery.  The vets couldn't believe it.  It wasn't long before she was running, jumping and even trying to climb the same fence again where she broke the leg.  I am skeptical about that stuff, but I was there I saw it with my own two eyes, especially that raising energy part, that dog felt that, I'll swear it.  I went to a few full moons and sabbats too, I felt energy there, but that could be in my head.  The dog story, I can't explain that one.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:23 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 06 March 2012 - 06:25 AM, said:

There is power in the universe that can be harnessed through various means.  The nature of Nature, for example, provides a huge amount of power to tap into.  As a Christian I don't tap into those powers because I prefer to rely on God.  But before I became a Christian I witnessed (and experienced) the power of "pagan magic", so I have no doubt that such things can and do happen, and that the power can be harnessed and used by those who wish to learn how to do it.  

Sorry, you said you only wanted pagan responses, but as someone who long ago looked into pagan ideas and briefly joined a pagan group, I wanted to share that such things are possible and do happen, even though today I respect my God too much to actually practice those kinds of things.

Hope this is of help :tu:


I kinda find a contradiction between the phrase; ''The nature of Nature, for example, provides a huge amount of power to tap into.  As a Christian I don't tap into those powers because I prefer to rely on God.''. Since, by my own spiritual experiences and knowledge path, tend to see ''god''(or whatever you wanna called it... but in my opinion i hate to give a name to something that is more of a force,energy, consciousness, then a physical being, or a beard men in the sky like they like to see it in the bible) and nature as the same thing. Because ''God'' in my own experience is more of a force, an energy,a consciousness of nature, of our universe that bind us, or interconnect us. And since we are made ourselves of this energy, our atoms are energy, our consciousness is energy and we to have the power to create, out of nothing... like new ideas. Like the idea of mens/womens, HUMANS'S right didn't exist before. We created that. Societal structure, our money system, it didn't appeared out of nowhere, we created that. Carl Sagan used to say; ''We are a way for the cosmos(universe) to know itself''.

For myself I don't bind to any tradition, since i tend to find this limiting. They are as many possibility of truth, as many possibility of perception that their is humans on this earth, that their is grain of sand of this earth. The most that i could say is that i inspire myself a lot from a mix of Celtic,Asatru(Nordic Scandinavian paganism), Buddhism and had a part of science of my spirituality but I would never stick to any empirical knowledge, any empirical way to practices, and thus never stick myself to only one tradition since knowledge is always an ever evolving thing. A tradition(like Wicca) can help you find your way, but in the same thing as the bible, or the koran, or any pagan tradition can only be in the end help you find your way out of those MANY multiple possibility to experience...not experience but to create yourself.

All religions were created by man, also written by man, and announced by the man. All sacred texts are only aberrations as long as man does not understand that these texts only serves to put it back on track and that the notion of superiority is false. The only being that man should worship it himself. '' He'' is everything. Man must worship the whole and not a god.

If a designer wanted to give his wisdom to his creation, he would never have written a book. In fact he didn't need, he gave it in the heart of every human. It just takes you and I to see it to understand that we are all divine beings; animals, trees, earth and all that exists.'' [...]

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