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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:42 PM

View Postthrough the fire, on 22 May 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

Your experience in aviation gives you more insight into the killing of bin Laden despite the fact that there is no proof?

It is all very simple to understand. The Pakistani government, and the family of bin Laden confirmed the death of bin Laden, which explains why Ayman al-Zawahiri was appointed as the al-Qaeda leader shortly after the death of bin Laden. Since then, the world has never heard from bin Laden again.

Simple facts to understand that doesn't require the knowledge of a rocket scientist.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:10 PM

No, it doesn't require a rocket scientist.  To the contrary, considering the source and the context, it requires a fool.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:34 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 23 May 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

No, it doesn't require a rocket scientist.  To the contrary, considering the source and the context, it requires a fool.

Considering the world has never heard from bin Laden again, and keeping in mind the change of leadership within alQaeda shortly after his death, not to mention confirmations of his death from al-Qaeda, Pakistan, bin Laden's family and from DNA test, it becomes very clear what happened to bin Laden, especially since no tape was released from him countering reports of his death, and remaining silent would simply hand the United States a victory and he wouldn't have allowed that considering that he declared war on the United States.

We know that bin Laden did not die in 2001 because he has released a number of tapes since then and he has addressed President Barack Obama by name, so the question is; who was responsible for spreading false reports of bin Laden's death in 2001?

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Osama bin Laden Tapes

January 19, 2006
Al Jazeera broadcasted an audiotape of bin Laden addressing citizens of the United States again.

April 23, 2006
Al Jazeera broadcasted parts of an audiotape. On this tape,bin Laden accuses the Western world of waging a Zionist crusade against Islam. He comments on Hamas, Darfur and the situation in Iraq.

May 23, 2006
Al Jazeera broadcasted a 5-minute audiotape from bin Laden, where he claims he, alone, assigned the hijackers to perform the September 11 attacks. bin Laden comments on the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, and the imprisoned journalists Sami al-Hajj and Tayssir Alouni, denying that any of them (apart from a few Guantanamo Bay prisoners) were connected with al-Qaeda.

Osama bin Laden tells viewers that Zacarias Moussaoui "had no connection at all with September 11. I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers and I never assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission. I am certain of what I say because I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers... with the raids."

June 30, 2006
An Islamist website posted a recording, in which bin Laden praised Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as a "lion of Jihad". The 19-minute video shows a still picture of bin Laden next to video celebrating al-Zarqawi. US officials said that the tape was authentic.

July 14, 2007
A few days after the Lal Masjid siege by the Pakistani government (and after a video released by al-Zawahiri), bin Laden released a tape. He was shown with a fatigued expression. He came out in a video clip less than a minute long on a militant website. BBC News reports that it was "undated and correspondents say it may be re-run footage. Its authenticity also cannot be independently verified."

September 11, 2007
A second video appeared purportedly featuring a eulogy by bin Laden to 9/11 hijacker Waleed al-Shehri. In the video, a voice identified as bin Laden's delivers the 14-minute introduction. The voice is heard over a still picture of bin Laden, dressed and groomed as he appears in the September 7, 2007 video. The 33-minute balance of the recording is a video will read by al-Shehri.

September 20, 2007
An audio tape appeared with bin Laden's voice over previously released footage of him. In the audio tape, bin Laden called on Pakistanis to overthrow President Pervez Musharraf, promising what he called retaliation for the storming of the Red Mosque in the capital, Islamabad, in July.

November 29, 2007
An audio tape appeared purportedly by bin Laden has urged European countries to end their military involvement in Afghanistan

December 29, 2007
In an audiotape Osama bin Laden warned Iraq's Sunni Arabs against fighting al-Qaeda and vowed to expand the group's Jihad to Israel, threatening "blood for blood, destruction for destruction."
The title of this message is "The Way To Frustrate The Conspiracies."

March 19, 2008
On March 19, 2008, an audio tape appeared purportedly by al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden "threatens" the EU over the re-printing of a cartoon offensive to Muslims.
The title of this message is "May our Mothers be bereaved of us if we fail to help our Prophet." Its full transcript and tape is located at

March 20, 2008
On March 20, 2008, a second audio tape appeared purportedly by al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden urging Palestinian militants to join the insurgency in Iraq.

May 16, 2008
On May 16, 2008, an audio tape appeared purportedly by al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden issued to the Western People: "Reasons of the struggle on the occasion of the 60th anniversary of the founding of the occupying state of Israel" The message is 22 minutes, 41 seconds long. The message addresses the 60th anniversary of the founding of the state of Israel.

May 18, 2008
On May 18, 2008, a second audio tape appeared purportedly by al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden issued 'A very strong statement to the Islamic nation and Muslims'. The second in three days, once again is an audio message, with no new imagery of bin Laden seen. A video version of the message was released showing an older still image of bin Laden while an audio message plays in the background.

January 14, 2009
On January 14, 2009, a new audio recording purportedly by bin Laden posted on Islamist websites called for a new jihad over the Israeli offensive in Gaza and said the global financial crisis has exposed the waning influence of the United States in world affairs and that it will in turn weaken its ally Israel. The recording was accompanied by a still photo of Bin Laden superimposed over the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem.

June 3, 2009
According to a recording aired by Al Jazeera on June 3, Bin Laden made a statement against President Barack Obama.

September 13, 2009
On September 13, 2009, an audio recording purportedly by Osama Bin Laden was released on an Islamist website.

September 25, 2009
On September 25, 2009, a forum participant posted to a jihadist website links to download an audio statement from al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Ladin. The statement, entitled "A Message From Shaykh Osama Bin Ladin to the People of Europe," is 4 minutes, 47 seconds, and in Arabic with German and English subtitles available. The video shows a still photograph of Bin Laden.

January 24, 2010
New audio tape released to al-Jazeera news features a voice claiming to be Osama bin Laden taking credit for the attempted bombing by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. The authenticity of the tape has not yet been verified.

January 29, 2010
A tape allegedly (remains unverified) from bin Laden was released by al-Jazeera, in which the leader of al-Qaeda excoriated the U.S. for its reluctance to address climate change. Bin Laden called for a worldwide boycott of American goods and the United States dollar in order to have a huge impact on the American economy.

March 25, 2010
Another new audio tape allegedly from bin Laden was released by al-Jazeera. In this tape, the leader of al-Qaeda threatened that the execution of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would result in al-Qaeda indefinitely murdering Americans in the event of their "falling into our hands".

October 1, 2010
An audiotape allegedly featuring the voice of bin Laden surfaced on the Internet and addresses the flooding in Pakistan. The 11-minute tape, posted on militant websites Friday, focused on relief efforts and what can be done to prevent future natural disasters. In the recording, bin Laden reportedly urges a change in how governments execute relief work and calls for the creation of a relief group to study Muslim regions located near rivers and low-lying areas. He also calls for a greater investment in agriculture. The U.S.-based SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors terrorist forums, says the latest message is heard in a video featuring a photograph of bin Laden superimposed over images of aid distribution.

October 2, 2010
The audio of a follow up speech allegedly by Osama bin Laden was released onto the internet. The title of the speech was "Help Your Pakistani Brothers" in which he expressed his feeling that the response of Arab and Muslim leaders to the Pakistani's affected by the flooding "did not match the level of the disaster" and that more people are affected by climate change than wars.

October 27, 2010
In a new audio tape from Osama bin Laden he is demanding that France withdraw its troops from Afghanistan.

January 21, 2011
On January 21, 2011 Osama bin Laden said the release of French hostages depends on a pullout of France's soldiers in Afghanistan and warned Paris of a "high price" for its policies, in a tape broadcast on Friday. "We repeat the same message to you: The release of your prisoners in the hands of our brothers is linked to the withdrawal of your soldiers from our country," said the speaker on the audiotape broadcast on Al-Jazeera television.This was the final tape released by Bin Laden prior to the confirmation of his death on May 2, 2011. A new audio message that Osama Bin Laden recorded before his death was released on May 7, 2011.

May 19, 2011
A recording purported to have been made by Osama shortly before he died has been released by al-Qaeda. In the message, he praised the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt and speaks of a "rare historic opportunity" for Muslims to rise up. The 12-minute audio message came out on a video posted on Islamist websites, and has been translated by the SITE Institute.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:36 PM

Egads, the spam! :cry:


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:16 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 23 May 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

Egads, the spam! :cry:

Just to let you know that Osama bin Laden was still alive years after the 911 attacks. The fact he made a speech against President Obama was another hint and two years later, it was payback time when Obama got Osama.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:21 AM

Hi SkyEagle,  could you please post the SOURCE of that list of  'bin laden'  tapes?

Most of the audio tapes listed are all prefaced with statements like   "purportedly"  or  "allegedly"   Bin Laden  .   Audio tapes are not really convincing evidence .

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:19 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 22 May 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

It is all very simple to understand. The Pakistani government, and the family of bin Laden confirmed the death of bin Laden, which explains why Ayman al-Zawahiri was appointed as the al-Qaeda leader shortly after the death of bin Laden. Since then, the world has never heard from bin Laden again.

Simple facts to understand that doesn't require the knowledge of a rocket scientist.


This is like saying that Treyvon carried out all of the robberies because they stopped when Zimmerman killed him. Couldn't be another reason. Yeah right.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:37 AM

View Postlightly, on 24 May 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:

Hi SkyEagle,  could you please post the SOURCE of that list of  'bin laden'  tapes?

Most of the audio tapes listed are all prefaced with statements like   "purportedly"  or  "allegedly"   Bin Laden  .   Audio tapes are not really convincing evidence .

Here are a few.

http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/3966817.stm

http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/6899398.stm

http://news.bbc.co.u...sia/8253827.stm

http://www.juancole....e-withdraw.html

http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/8477413.stm

http://www.google.co...11b8af9539f.351

http://www.voanews.c...999/127076.html

http://en.wikipedia....en#cite_note-61

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:42 AM

View PostW Tell, on 24 May 2013 - 03:19 AM, said:

This is like saying that Treyvon carried out all of the robberies because they stopped when Zimmerman killed him. Couldn't be another reason. Yeah right.

Well, are you implying that the Pakistani government, al-Qaeda, and bin Laden's family lied about his death? Are you implying that a senior leadership change did not occur within al-Qaeda shortly after the death of bin Laden? Was a tape released from bin Laden challenging reports of his death?

No real mystery there.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 05:33 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 24 May 2013 - 04:42 AM, said:

Well, are you implying that the Pakistani government, al-Qaeda, and bin Laden's family lied about his death? Are you implying that a senior leadership change did not occur within al-Qaeda shortly after the death of bin Laden? Was a tape released from bin Laden challenging reports of his death?

No real mystery there.

Nope no tape. And admittedly, they haven't said he was dead... yet..... like the other eight times.

You don't have ****. on his death. Your opinion means the same as the ones that believid he died  from kidney failure or the one that believd he was killed at Toro Bora, or the ones that believd he died by a bodygaurds bullet.

Government won't give you a single shred of evidence to prove your case.

But as skeptics... I'm sure we'll welcome you in with open arms Sky. Welcome to the family!


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 05:54 AM

View PostW Tell, on 24 May 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

Nope no tape. And admittedly, they haven't said he was dead... yet..... like the other eight times.

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Osama bin Laden's daughter witnessed his death, says Pakistani official
A 12-year-old girl found at the scene of the raid is being held by Pakistan's intelligence services along with other survivors

Osama bin Laden's 12-year-old daughter watched as her father was shot dead by American special forces, a senior Pakistani intelligence official has told the Guardian.
The girl, who was found at the scene of the raid by Pakistani security services, is being cared for at a military hospital having been wounded in the attack. She has been questioned about the sequence of events during the raid on Sunday night.



Bin Laden's family of twelve kicked out of Pakistan just days before the first anniversary of his death

Three widows, eight children and a grandchild put on plane at dawn

Family put into van shortly after midnight and taken to airport They are reported days before anniversary of Bin Laden's death on May 2

http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2UBZwMzKi



Doctor Who Helped U.S. Find Osama Bin Laden May Hang

The Pakistani commission probing the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May has recommended that a doctor who helped the CIA find the al Qaeda leader be tried for treason.

http://abcnews.go.co...50#.UZ79giqF_G4



It’s a Match: How Officials Used DNA to Identify bin Laden

The Obama Administration used several methods, including DNA testing, to confirm that U.S. Navy Seals did in fact kill Osama bin Laden in a weekend raid in Pakistan, U.S. officials said on Monday.

Matched to what? The U.S. is believed to have collected DNA samples from several of bin Laden’s family members during the decade since the terrorist attacks of 9/11. According to an ABC News affiliate in Boston, one of those samples belonged to bin Laden’s sister, who died of brain cancer about a year ago at Massachusetts General Hospital; after her death, government officials were reported to have taken some of her brain tissue for genetic testing.

http://healthland.ti.../#ixzz2UBbIeTcf



Text: Al Qaeda statement confirming bin Laden's death

http://www.reuters.c...E74563U20110506


Bin Laden’s daughter confirms her father shot dead by US Special Forces in Pakistan
Wednesday, 04 May 2011

Senior Pakistani security officials said Osama bin Laden’s daughter had confirmed her father was captured alive and shot dead by the US Special Forces during the first few minutes of the operation carried out at the huge compound in Bilal Town, Abbottabad.

http://www.alarabiya.../04/147782.html



Bin Laden wife: I didn't leave hideout for 5 years

ISLAMABAD — One of three wives living with Osama bin Laden told Pakistani interrogators she had been staying in the al-Qaida chief's hideout for five years, and could be a key source of information about how he avoided capture for so long, a Pakistani intelligence official said Friday.

Bin Laden's wife, identified as Yemeni-born Amal Ahmed Abdullfattah, said she never left the upper floors of the house the entire time she was there. Her name has also appeared in previous reports as Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah and Amal Ahmed al-Sadah.

She and bin Laden's other two wives are being interrogated in Pakistan after they were taken into custody following Monday's American raid on bin Laden's compound in the town of Abbottabad. Pakistani authorities are also holding eight or nine children who were found there after the U.S. commandos left.


http://www.nbcnews.c...s/#.UZ7_3iqF_G4


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:07 AM

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It was on MSNBC yesterday... please forgive me for using that source... but it's a media you'll understand. They ( and I mean the media is nothing but the governments mouthpiece, so when I say "they"... I'm basicly talking about the talking heads that say he's dead... because Jay Karney told them to. )will "not' release DNA evidence of Osama.


I have to ask why. If you've got it... show it, right? But the Government is styming us on something so easily proven as the death of Osama Bin Laden.

Go figure

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:24 AM

View PostW Tell, on 24 May 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

It was on MSNBC yesterday... please forgive me for using that source... but it's a media you'll understand. They will "not' release DNA evidence of Osama.


I have to ask why. If you've got it... show it, right? But the Government is styming us on something so easily proven as the death of Osama Bin Laden.

Go figure

According to  this report, it says:

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Officials produced a quick DNA match from his remains that they said established bin Laden's identity, even absent the other techniques, with 99.9 percent certainty. U.S. officials also said bin Laden was identified through photo comparisons and other methods.

However, I am now leaning on the government's side of not releasing the photos just yet, and I do so because of a recent attack on a British soldier. Such photos can inflame terrorist and others in the Middle East which can result in attacks on the level we saw recently in the UK.

There are times when withholding certain information is justified and I can relate to that fact from firsthand experience in regards to the downing of Korean Airlines 007 by the Soviet Union. My aircraft was tasked to fly recovery equipment from the Philippines to Japan for recovery operations. I was part of the crew of that flight during our mission in the Pacific.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:29 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 24 May 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

According to  this report, it says:



However, I am now leaning on the government's side of not releasing the photos just yet, and I do so because of a recent attack on a British soldier. Such photos can inflame terrorist and others in the Middle East which can result in attacks on the level we saw recently in the UK.

There are times when withholding certain information is justified and I can relate to that fact from firsthand experience in regards to the downing of Korean Airlines 007 by the Soviet Union. My aircraft was tasked to fly recovery equipment from the Philippines to Japan for recovery operations. I was part of the crew of that flight during our mission in the Pacific.

Who are the "officals " your article talks about?

Names are great when it comes to keeping people responsible. If you don't have them... you don't have anything.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 12:18 PM

Thanks SkyEagle,  for responding with some links to who released some of the tapes.    I guess we'll never know from what SOURCES most of these 'tapes' were ACQUIRED.

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