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[karmakazi]

arc330, on 09 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Oh so now you're all the ' experts " you're the ones with no open minds afraid of some real proof that will shake your very belief in what all the mainstream closed minded robots believe in you all seem to have an explanation for everything well that's fine, just keep saying to yourselves " we know everything don't need to explain any further " I have not as you said fallen over myself and taken these as FACTS I'm saying that instead of flatly dieing these as false  articles  check into the possibility they might truly be fact.

Open-mindedness doesn't mean accepting everything that comes your way.  A certain amount of skepticism is required in order to allow you to sort fact from fiction, and to determine what stays in the grey area of "I don't know the whole truth about this" in between the two.

You say that you don't consider it fact but your reactions to the discussion contradict you.

[Abramelin]

HerNibs, on 09 March 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

You do know that we have known the earth is round for a really long time right?  Even pretty close to it's size.

"These guys" tend to look into this stuff you posted pretty carefully.  They are quick to give you the facts because it's been discussed again and again on the forums.

Like I said, use the search function, there are very good explanations.

Nibs

Even long before Eratosthenes sailors already knew the earth was not flat but round instead, or better, spherical.

[HerNibs]

Abramelin, on 09 March 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Even long before Eratosthenes sailors already knew the earth was not flat but round instead, or better, spherical.

  Yeah, but it's the first name that came to me.

Nibs

[Abramelin]

HerNibs, on 09 March 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

  Yeah, but it's the first name that came to me.

Nibs

An explanation I posted before:

Imagine you live a 1000 BC, and you are on a ship that is part of a flotilla or convoy or what's the word.

One of the other ships is far ahead of the one you're on, and when it reaches the horizon (assuming the skies were clear and cloudless) you would have seen it 'sink'...

But your ship catches up, and that other ship then magically 're-emerges' from the sea.

These ancient sailors must have been very familiar with that phenomenon, and I imagine there must have been clever sailors who were able to explain that phenomenon by assuming the earth was a globe, and not flat.

[the L]

Abramelin, on 09 March 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

An explanation I posted before:

Imagine you live a 1000 BC, and you are on a ship that is part of a flotilla or convoy or what's the word.

One of the other ships is far ahead of the one you're on, and when it reaches the horizon (assuming the skies were clear and cloudless) you would have seen it 'sink'...

But your ship catches up, and that other ship then magically 're-emerges' from the sea.

These ancient sailors must have been very familiar with that phenomenon, and I imagine there must have been clever sailors who were able to explain that phenomenon by assuming the earth was a globe, and not flat.

99,999% of them gave credit to the magic and Gods.

[HerNibs]

Abramelin, on 09 March 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

An explanation I posted before:

Imagine you live a 1000 BC, and you are on a ship that is part of a flotilla or convoy or what's the word.

One of the other ships is far ahead of the one you're on, and when it reaches the horizon (assuming the skies were clear and cloudless) you would have seen it 'sink'...

But your ship catches up, and that other ship then magically 're-emerges' from the sea.

These ancient sailors must have been very familiar with that phenomenon, and I imagine there must have been clever sailors who were able to explain that phenomenon by assuming the earth was a globe, and not flat.

good description!  

Nibs

[questionmark]

arc330, on 09 March 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

Because they simply can't grasp the possibility, so far they all debunked the entire discussion, I think these guys are with the earth is still flat thinking that's what the mind set is with these posted here.

But no my child, you see, those claiming that the earth is flat are the ones ignoring reality.

And reality is that a civilization needs a certain environment to surge, that a mere 10 billion years after the big bang would not have been possible because life still had to stabilize in a pretty erratic environment. In erratic environments it may be possible to survive...day to day, but hardly enough to create behavioral patterns that resemble civilization. If that would have been possible the dinos themselves would have build a civilization, they had 135 million years to get it right. Humans got it together in 200.000. And not because the first representatives of the human genus were such "Einsteins", in fact they hardly had more brain cells than some of the more primitive dinos, but because they had the right environment to first acquire more knowledge and later enough time away from having to find food to start thinking about more effective ways to do so.

And there is absolutely no indication that this was different anywhere else, because there were it was not even advanced life was able to sustain (which means more than two nerve cells).

That some being could have done it 100% faster than humans does not take away that all planets are more or less bound to the same physical laws, and those laws are pretty rigid if it comes to stable environments.

Cooling and stabilizing of orbits, solidifying and stabilizing of a habitat need billions of years. After civilized life can happen. Not a second before.

So, if those are "footprints" they are either not millions years old or they were made by something hardly intelligent enough to find next day's meat without being eaten

[Abramelin]

Melo, on 09 March 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

99,999% of them gave credit to the magic and Gods.

Not likely.

I talk about people who lived on those seas and oceans, not the unexperienced superstitious landlubbers.

Think about the ancient Pacific sailors: they sailed for thousands of miles on open ocean before eventually hitting upon some desolate island in the middle of that ocean.

It's my conviction these ancient mariners knew what they were doing, and they knew how to interpret what they saw and encountered.

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Edited by Abramelin, 09 March 2012 - 09:35 PM.

[the L]

Abramelin, on 09 March 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

Not likely.

I talk about people who lived on those seas and oceans, not the unexperienced superstitious landlubbers.

Think about the ancient Pacific sailors: they sailed for thousands of miles on open ocean before eventually hitting upon some desolate island in the middle of that ocean.

It's my conviction these ancient mariners knew what they were doing, and they knew how to interpret what they saw and encountered.

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Following that logic, then all landlubbers would conclude same from sunrise and sunset...but fact is they didnt conclude.
okay bad example,,,,now Im going to sleep. Im realy tired. I was up in 5 in the morning,working, car broke up on the road, ,,,time for bed.

Edited by Melo, 09 March 2012 - 09:44 PM.

[Sensible Logic]

arc330, on 09 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Oh so now you're all the ' experts " you're the ones with no open minds afraid of some real proof that will shake your very belief in what all the mainstream closed minded robots believe in you all seem to have an explanation for everything well that's fine, just keep saying to yourselves " we know everything don't need to explain any further " I have not as you said fallen over myself and taken these as FACTS I'm saying that instead of flatly dieing these as false  articles  check into the possibility they might truly be fact.

Sometimes it doesn't take an expert to see the problems with some of the claims, just common sense and logic.  I'd be willing to bet that the true believers in ancient aliens have never sat down and thought about all the events that must transpire to have aliens visit the Earth regardless of when.  If they did they would know just how miniscule the possibility is.

[Abramelin]

Melo, on 09 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Following that logic, then all landlubbers would conclude same from sunrise and sunset...but fact is they didnt conclude.
okay bad example,,,,now Im going to sleep. Im realy tired. I was up in 5 in the morning,working, car broke up on the road, ,,,time for bed.

It's the same old song, Melo: there are those who never go out and experience the 'real world', and thus fabricate some fringe theory to explain what they don't understand.

And there are those who do indeed experience, those who 'make their hands dirty'.

Be glad you got tired from working. There are some here who get tired of NOT working... sigh.

Good night my friend and sleep well.

[Gaden]

arc330, on 09 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Oh so now you're all the ' experts " you're the ones with no open minds afraid of some real proof that will shake your very belief in what all the mainstream closed minded robots believe in you all seem to have an explanation for everything well that's fine, just keep saying to yourselves " we know everything don't need to explain any further " I have not as you said fallen over myself and taken these as FACTS I'm saying that instead of flatly dieing these as false  articles  check into the possibility they might truly be fact.

I do not claim to be an expert on this subject, I can, however, through research, discern facts from BS.
Proof is what this is all about, I have mine, it is available all over, where is yours?

[kmt_sesh]

Gaden, on 09 March 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

I do not claim to be an expert on this subject, I can, however, through research, discern facts from BS.
Proof is what this is all about, I have mine, it is available all over, where is yours?

Ancient Aliens? Is that proof?

Or is it a sign that the History Channel continues to pander to the lowest intellectual level?

[Rlyeh]

karmakazi, on 09 March 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

Thanks, his link didn't work for me.

Was it one of those sites like "beforeitsnews.com"?  That site just the worst kind of thing on the internet.

No, it was "delusionresistance.org", some garbage about some religious/alien conspiracy stuff.

[Mentalcase]

I have a feeling life has ventured the cosmos from Earth many times, via meteors. There's a slim chance that once it arrives on another planet it would have to evolve/apart to those circumstances. Life may have originated elsewhere and then came to Earth. In the solar system's early days, chunks of planets were flying in every direction. Earth/biology has most likely been to every rock in our system, if not further. I think there's a small chance some microbes may have flourished elsewhere. Whether Earth based or not.