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[Alienated Being]

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Not if they're working on the development of said apes and some members of their society specialize in that sort of thing. If they knew they wouldn't be back for a while it makes sense that they would leave us things to let us know they had been here and will return. If it's all for real I wonder if they expected that people of the future would deny their existence, or continue to appreciate the structures and texts honoring their existence and their influence on this planet.

Those are baseless, unsubstantiated assumptions. There's no morsel of evidence available to suggest that extraterrestrials were involved in the creation of such structures. None whatsoever. All that we have are paintings and purported writings that are misinterpreted by those who want to believe in such nonsense.

[Mallaliak]

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

Are you still trying to pretend there is no mention of xts in ancient texts? There are lots of references to them and their flying vehicles in Indian texts thousands of years old, and it's very common knowledge that there are:

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There are reference to flying machines in the temple carvings and in the ancient writings.

There are also references to people returning from the dead, monsters that would literally devour the sun, eight legged horses and so on.

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

The images found on the ceiling beams of a 3000-year old New Kingdom Temple, located several hundred miles south of Cairo and the Giza Plateau, at Abydos resembles modern day Aircrafts.

So while Ancient Aliens theory claims they are supposed to aircrafts and so on, more reasonable sources (mentioned on this forum, someone will probally know where to dig out the correct links) as normal old script, where a new script has been carved into it over the old one.

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

Reference to ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient Indian sources, many are the well known ancient Indian Epics, and there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into English yet from the old sanskrit.

Highly amusing that the only time people seem to come into contact with these so called flying vechicles is from ET/UFO theories and shows, but not during religious education about hinduism.

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

It is claimed that a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships!

Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti-gravitational" and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power of the ego existing in man’s physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull."
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http://www.bibliotec...p_vimanas_9.htm
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Peculiar. After twenty minutes on google, skimming through various searches on this Dr. Ruth Reyna, I do wonder. Is this person real? I can't find anything of the person, NOR the actual university by this name. There are some claims that tries to explain it is infact "University of Panjab" but why not say so right away?

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

Nearly every Hindu and Buddhist in the world - hundreds of millions of people has heard of the ancient flying machines referred to in the Ramayana and other texts as vimanas.
Vimanas are mentioned even today in standard Indian literature and media reports. An article called “Flight Path” by the Indian journalist Mukul Sharma appeared in the major newspaper The Times of India on April 8, 1999 which talked about vimanas and ancient warfare: according to some interpretations of surviving texts, India’s future it seems happened way back in the past. Take the case of the Yantra Sarvasva, said to have been written by the sage Maharshi Bhardwaj.

Still this is something I have never encountered mention to be the knowledge of a person of hindu or buddhism faith. Random people online, yes. Wackjobs on History Channel, yes. Obvious UFO fanatics, yes. Someone that seems unbiased? No.

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

But I guess a bunch of text means nothing to you, since you don't seem to believe people can learn new concepts in any ways other than learning about them in movies.

Yes, I did cut things short, I got a bit lazy.

But to be frank. Are you capable of finding and providing NON-biased sources which just sounds like a repeat of Ancient Aliens from History channel? And don't go and try to argue that those links of yours are not biased, becouse even the domain names pretty much gives it all away that they will be.

Credability is important when presenting materials, and if you fail at it, you have a problem. Good reason why say Erich von Däniken got none, seeing he published a book, owned a THEME PARK on the matter and now makes a tv show on History Channel with the purpose of attracting ratings and that's it.

[Slave2Fate]

Alienated Being, on 10 April 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Those are baseless, unsubstantiated assumptions. There's no morsel of evidence available to suggest that extraterrestrials were involved in the creation of such structures. None whatsoever. All that we have are paintings and purported writings that are misinterpreted by those who want to believe in such nonsense.

I agree. It seems human imagination has trumped human ingenuity again.

[nopeda]

Socio, on 09 April 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

In a way I agree, why would a highly advanced alien civilization come here to build primitive stone structures?

They wanted something that would last, and if those ancient people really couldn't have moved all those huge rocks around and piled them on top of each other etc, then they also did it to show they had been here. I remember laughing when the narrator said something like: 'historians want us to believe humans just out of the stone age were quarrying thousand ton rocks and moving them around'.

[Slave2Fate]

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

They wanted something that would last, and if those ancient people really couldn't have moved all those huge rocks around and piled them on top of each other etc, then they also did it to show they had been here. I remember laughing when the narrator said something like: 'historians want us to believe humans just out of the stone age were quarrying thousand ton rocks and moving them around'.

I take it then that you haven't read any of the myriad threads around UM explaining how it is not only likely but pretty much accepted fact that humans built ancient structures like the pyramids? The 'aliens built *insert favorite structure/technology here*' theories are just uninformed nonsense built around fantasy that have zero basis in fact.

[Myles]

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

We're discussing references to xts in ancient sacred texts, so find some of that if you can.

Just because a text is ancient, does not mean it should be taken at 100% fact.

[Myles]

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

They wanted something that would last, and if those ancient people really couldn't have moved all those huge rocks around and piled them on top of each other etc, then they also did it to show they had been here. I remember laughing when the narrator said something like: 'historians want us to believe humans just out of the stone age were quarrying thousand ton rocks and moving them around'.

Why didn't they leave a picture on some good card stock.   Or maybe a tablet-type of machine.   Maybe put lights on the pyramid.   Maybe teach humans how to make toilet paper.  
Nope, just stack some rocks.   Stack rocks in the same way other humans have done in other parts of the world.

Edited by Myles, 10 April 2012 - 07:40 PM.

[Oniomancer]

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

They wanted something that would last, and if those ancient people really couldn't have moved all those huge rocks around and piled them on top of each other etc, then they also did it to show they had been here. I remember laughing when the narrator said something like: 'historians want us to believe humans just out of the stone age were quarrying thousand ton rocks and moving them around'.

So That's where that came from. I thought maybe cladking made it up himself. I'd laugh too because like I told him, The transition point was over 1000 years before the GP, and that's only in technology, not cultural development, which extends even further back.

[DBunker]

Slave2Fate, on 10 April 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

I take it then that you haven't read any of the myriad threads around UM explaining how it is not only likely but pretty much accepted fact that humans built ancient structures like the pyramids? The 'aliens built *insert favorite structure/technology here*' theories are just uninformed nonsense built around fantasy that have zero basis in fact.

This "theory" is just another one of those silly "explanations" put fourth by people that cant understand something..... like the moonlandings and their hoax claims.

[psyche101]

Arbitran, on 10 April 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

No I do not think that we have used that technology as of yet. Nor will we in the near future. Do you suggest that we are at the peak of our technology? The gods are a Type III civilization--they can harness the energy of our entire galaxy at their disposal.

No, we have not, and of course we are not at the peak of our technology, but that had that got to do with anything? New technology will not alter physics, physics remain the same no mater where you are in the Universe. I canot believe any single source can harness the energy of an entire Galaxy, considering the size of a Galaxy that patently makes absolutely no sense at all. Astronomers estimate that there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way.

[nopeda]

Alienated Being, on 10 April 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

All that we have are paintings and purported writings that are misinterpreted

How should they be interpreted and how do you know?

[Slave2Fate]

DBunker, on 10 April 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

This "theory" is just another one of those silly "explanations" put fourth by people that cant understand something..... like the moonlandings and their hoax claims.

Absolutely, there are no technological 'gaps' that would be indicators of alien intervention with any ancient culture. If one looks at the entire timeline of a culture, incorporating cultural and technological advances they would see that every 'step' is built on the last and that advancement is easily explained by mundane means (human ingenuity). It is only when significant events are taken out of context that the alien intervention theory can even materialize. Open minded? I think not.

[nopeda]

Mallaliak, on 10 April 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

So while Ancient Aliens theory claims they are supposed to aircrafts and so on, more reasonable sources (mentioned on this forum, someone will probally know where to dig out the correct links) as normal old script, where a new script has been carved into it over the old one.

Is that true in all cases or just some? If just some, which ones was it not done to? Why would anyone do it at all, and when do you think they did it? The very idea that anyone would do it is more absurd than the idea that they were based on truth, imo. So far none of you have provided any good reason why anyone would go to the effort of carving lies into sacred structures or put lies in sacred texts. The idea that they would is imo.

[nopeda]

Slave2Fate, on 10 April 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

I take it then that you haven't read any of the myriad threads around UM explaining how it is not only likely but pretty much accepted fact that humans built ancient structures like the pyramids? The 'aliens built *insert favorite structure/technology here*' theories are just uninformed nonsense built around fantasy that have zero basis in fact.

I had faith that possibility was the correct one up until recently and still consider that it may be, but now I'm leaning more toward the other possibility with all the evidence there is for it and the fact that there's no reason why it couldn't be correct.

[Alienated Being]

nopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

I had faith that possibility was the correct one up until recently and still consider that it may be, but now I'm leaning more toward the other possibility with all the evidence there is for it and the fact that there's no reason why it couldn't be correct.

Just because it's "evidence" for you, that doesn't indicate that it is logically sound evidence in the name of reason and science. The way you perceive evidence equates to how a psychologically delusive individual believes that voices in his head are coming from Jesus.