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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:47 PM

View PostMyles, on 10 April 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Why didn't they leave a picture on some good card stock.   Or maybe a tablet-type of machine.   Maybe put lights on the pyramid.   Maybe teach humans how to make toilet paper.  
Nope, just stack some rocks.   Stack rocks in the same way other humans have done in other parts of the world.
Maybe you think they emailed diagrams to each other so they could make similar things like pyramids and make up similar stories about beings coming down from the sky, just to try to fool people in the future. Why would they though? And do you really think they had email back then? Or do you think they had some other way(s) of getting in touch with each other to set up the gag?


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:48 PM

View Postnopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

How should they be interpreted and how do you know?
I don't know with 100% certainty, but I certainly would not take such a giant leap and make ridiculously illogical claims. I am honestly starting to feel like I am arguing with a creationist.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:49 PM

View Postnopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

...but now I'm leaning more toward the other possibility with all the evidence there is for it and the fact that there's no reason why it couldn't be correct.

Conversely I would ask why humans building structures themselves couldn't be correct? As I said, there is a fairly good indication that ancient cultures progressed at a reasonable technological rate. There are no unexplainable leaps of technology present in any ancient culture that I have ever been made aware of.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:00 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 10 April 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

It is only when significant events are taken out of context that the alien intervention theory can even materialize.
Unless they did have something to do with it, in which case that would not be taking them out of context. Like the fact that humans had almost no advancement for the first 190 thousand years of their existence. They lived almost as the animals do. Then all of a sudden, for either no reason or a significant reason they started growing crops and building cities. A hundred and ninety thousand years of being animals and then all of a sudden they turned into humans. Is it any more likely that that just happened to happen for no specific reason, than that it happened because it was a plan by other beings? :no: Not to me it's not. It seems more likely that if nothing came along to change things significantly humans would still be living like animals for the past 10 thousand years as they had for the previous 190 thousand years, if they still existed.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:07 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 10 April 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

No, we have not, and of course we are not at the peak of our technology, but that had that got to do with anything? New technology will not alter physics, physics remain the same no mater where you are in the Universe. I canot believe any single source can harness the energy of an entire Galaxy, considering the size of a Galaxy that patently makes absolutely no sense at all.

It depends on how you interpret it. If you interpret it that they can make vehicles that are capable of capturing and using all the electromagnetic radiation that comes in contact with them then in that sense they are harnessing a good bit of it. What movie is that from?

View Postpsyche101, on 10 April 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

Astronomers estimate that there are 200 billion to 400 billion stars contained within the Milky Way.
And even so you still believe there could be no beings in any of those systems that are good at space travel. Hmmm...


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:15 PM

View PostAlienated Being, on 10 April 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

Just because it's "evidence" for you, that doesn't indicate that it is logically sound evidence in the name of reason and science. The way you perceive evidence equates to how a psychologically delusive individual believes that voices in his head are coming from Jesus.
Some of these depict air vehicles imo:

http://is.gd/qnLzWd

regardless of who made them and when. If they were somehow made 2 million years ago they would still depict air vehicles imo.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:16 PM

View Postnopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Unless they did have something to do with it, in which case that would not be taking them out of context. Like the fact that humans had almost no advancement for the first 190 thousand years of their existence. They lived almost as the animals do. Then all of a sudden, for either no reason or a significant reason they started growing crops and building cities. A hundred and ninety thousand years of being animals and then all of a sudden they turned into humans. Is it any more likely that that just happened to happen for no specific reason, than that it happened because it was a plan by other beings? :no: Not to me it's not. It seems more likely that if nothing came along to change things significantly humans would still be living like animals for the past 10 thousand years as they had for the previous 190 thousand years, if they still existed.

So not only do you disregard human ingenuity regarding ancient structures or the limitations of physics regarding space travel but you throw biological evolution out the window too? How far are you going to go to chase this theory of yours? Which modern theory are you going to sacrifice next? Let me guess, any one that doesn't conform to your ideas? How is that objective or open minded?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:18 PM

View Postnopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Some of these depict air vehicles imo:

http://is.gd/qnLzWd

regardless of who made them and when. If they were somehow made 2 million years ago they would still depict air vehicles imo.
Exactly, in YOUR opinion... Your opinion does not necessarily equate to logic.

They bear resemblance to air vehicles, however, that doesn't indicate that they were modeled from air vehicles. Perhaps they were loosely modeled based off of birds?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:23 PM

View PostAlienated Being, on 10 April 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

I am honestly starting to feel like I am arguing with a creationist.
Here's a list of things I wrote about considering the possibility of God's existence in a realistic way, and this was written while I was still convinced that xts were not coming around:
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1. If God exists he almost certainly would have to be an alien.

2. If there is a creator associated with this planet, all who refer to him refer to the same being regardless of what they call him or what they think about him.

3. Nothing that happens is supernatural, so anything gods do would be natural for them.

4. If God exists and wants things to be as they are, he could not provide proof of his existence because doing so would change things too much.

5. Since the terms omnipotent and omniscient appear to make themselves impossible, it's unrealistic to try assigning those particular characteristics to God if he exists.

6. Since disbelief is a form of belief, the degree of faith a  person has that God does not exist is what determines how strong an atheist he or she is, or is not.

7. People who have put their faith in a belief often/usually find it impossible to comprehend the ability of considering the possibility that God does not exist and also the possibility that he does.

8. People who have put their faith in a belief often/usually find it impossible to comprehend much less appreciate basic number 2.

9. People who claim to be strong atheists often/usually asburdly try to deny their own faith that God does not exist...faith which is a necessary part of being a strong atheist.

10. Whether God exists or not it seems apparent that life must have originated from lifelessness to begin with, and may do it fairly often.

11. We should not allow what appear to be conflicting or unlikely beliefs encouraged by other people--however absurd--to contaminate and interfere with our own attempts to think about this topic realistically.

12. We should not allow childlike and unrealistic attempts at comparing the concept of gods with those of childlike ideas like the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, invisible pink unicorns, spaghetti monsters etc encouraged by other people--however absurd--to contaminate and interfere with our own attempts to think about this topic realistically.

13. If gods exist they would necessarily have to be technologically advanced far beyond we humans on Earth, to the point that they became gods.

14. If God exists he almost certainly would not be restricted to any particular body, form, or gender. (disclaimer: I refer to God as "he" out of convenience and because that's how we are encouraged to refer to "him" in most if not all canonical texts.)

15. If God exists it seems most likely that he has as much influence over the content of canonical texts as he wants to have.

16. If God exists, it seems quite clear he makes use of the evolutionary method of creation.

17. If there are things which people consider to be spiritual, they are most likely actually physical in ways we just can't appreciate yet.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:50 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 10 April 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

So not only do you disregard human ingenuity regarding ancient structures or the limitations of physics regarding space travel but you throw biological evolution out the window too?
We know humans built plenty of structures. What's in question is if xts either built any or helped humans build any. I've never believed that the speed of light in vacuum just happens to be as fast as anything can go, especially since no one can give an acceptable explanation as to relative to what. I believe evolution has occurred naturally plenty of times. What's in question is whether or not xts have influenced any of it. We know humans have.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:54 PM

View PostAlienated Being, on 10 April 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

Perhaps they were loosely modeled based off of birds?
Nah. They could do birds. Notice they had no prob with the bug. So far the only thing that makes sense is that they were modeled after air vehicles. How the bug is associated with the air vehicles is a fun question. I wonder if it could have been used for communication somehow.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:32 AM

View Postnopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:

Are you still trying to pretend there is no mention of xts in ancient texts? There are lots of references to them and their flying vehicles in Indian texts thousands of years old, and it's very common knowledge that there are:

Why do you have to rely on sites like crystal links then? That is a dodgy website that is about as accurate as Zechariah Stitchin. Why is this information not with the likes of Berkely, and again I ask, if these clear cut instructions are so valuable, then why have they not been used? Why has private enterprise not cashed in on this wonder?

Why? Because it is BS. Man tells stories, it continues to astound me how a group if people can continue to misunderstand the massive differences between fiction and fact.

What you have covered below with all those links is basically one subject from two angles isn't it. That failed The Abydos temple helicopter (you really should do a search here before posting such nonsense, it has been debunked on this very site already) and the fabled Vimanas.

What you failed to mention is the these "blueprints" come from a document dated no earlier than 1904. Not very ancient that is it, but people say this document describes the Vimenas in detail and provide blueprints. Shame they are nonsense though as the aeronautics simply do not work. Leonardo Da Vinci was closer to powered flight by a long shot.

Here is a question for you, why did the ancients need these flying machines? In the earliest Yuga (epoch), the text claims that people could fly without the use of vimanas. When did these ancients become dependant on machines and why?

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There are reference to flying machines in the temple carvings and in the ancient writings.

The images found on the ceiling beams of a 3000-year old New Kingdom Temple, located several hundred miles south of Cairo and the Giza Plateau, at Abydos resembles modern day Aircrafts.

Reference to ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient Indian sources, many are the well known ancient Indian Epics, and there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into English yet from the old sanskrit.

It is claimed that a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships!

Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti-gravitational" and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power of the ego existing in man’s physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull."
. . .
http://www.bibliotec...p_vimanas_9.htm

I do not think you could have started with a worse example that The Abydos temple helicopter so thank you for making this debate easy for me. It is more than well known that this so called helicopter is the result of palimpsest not ancient aliens.


LINK - The answers from the specialists

A short time later, I got a mail from Mike Dyall-Smith from the University of Melbourne : "We dealt with this on the AEL discussion list over a year ago. There is a much more mundane explanation (that is historically interesting in itself). These pictures have gained some notoriety because they have been promoted by  "new-age or ufo buffs ". Egyptologists easily recognize that the apparent strange craft are just  illusions produced by:
a) erosion of the stone surface (look at the damage over that roof area!)
B) a process of re-carving and filling in the stone to replace some of the hieroglyphs. When the filling falls out bits of the old and new glyphs overlap and form 'strange signs'.  The technical term used is 'palimpsest'.
Anyone well versed in egyptological inscriptions would tell you lots of recarving of inscriptions went on in ancient Egypt as ruling kings sought to acquire the work of previous pharaohs, or to discredit them. Regards, Mike Dyall-Smith"

Almost simultaneously, I received a very nice message from Ms. Katherine Griffis-Greenberg, from the University of Alabama at Birmingham (USA). Ms. Griffis-Greenberg is also a member of the American Research Center in Egypt and of the International Association of Egyptologists "Special Studies":

":..., I am afraid that you have been subjected to the famous "Abydos helicopter" mania, here. There is a simple explanation to what you are seeing, at least, as we see it in Egyptology. There is no mystery here; it's just a _palimpsest_ (though without the use of that term, and which is defined as "... A manuscript, typically of papyrus or parchment, that has been written on more than once, with the earlier writing incompletely erased and often legible" AHED). It was decided in antiquity to replace the five-fold royal titulary of Seti I with that of his son and successor, Ramesses II. In the photos, we clearly see "Who repulses the Nine Bows," which figures in some of the Two-Ladies names of Seti I, replaced by "Who protects Egypt and overthrows the foreign countries," a Two-Ladies name of Ramesses II. With some of the plaster that once covered Seti I's titulary now fallen away, certain of the superimposed signs do indeed look like a submarine, etc., but it's just a coincidence.


The strange hieroglyphs are the result of a recutting of the texts - the original signs were covered in plaster, and new ones cut into the surface. This plaster has now fallen out, leaving images that look rather like modern items!

Local guides make up all kinds of mysteries about them, but there is a very simple explanation!

Aidan Dodson
University of Bristol


Unfortunately I cannot see your glyphs but I know them (have seen them atAbydos), but I will let others take care of this, people who have time. They are cut over glyphs, if I recall correctly, nothing of the UFO.

Susan Tower Hollis
Center Director/Associate Dean
Central New York Center, SUNY ESC


What appears to be a "helicopter" is actually an example of two groups of hieroglyphs carved one on top of the other.  The words psd.t "the ennead of nine" and X3s.wt "foreign countries" seems to have been carved one of top of the other.  Clearly the artist / craftsman changed the hieroglyphs (perhaps from the change of kings Sety I to Ramesses II).  The actual "helicopter" seems to be a portion of the psd.t sign and the X3s.t sign on top of each other with portions erased.

Hope this helps.

Eugene Cruz-Uribe
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College of Social and Behavioral Sciences
Northern Arizona University


I did not receive any "examples" of the supposed strange hieroglyphs appended to your inquiry.  I can assure you that the Abydos temple has been intensely studied, copied and published and no unusual hieroglyphs are known, only unlearned interpretations perhaps misconstrue what is being shown.

Barbara Lesko
Brown University


I am very sorry, but there is no helicopter or whatever in Seti I's temple at Abydos! As I said then, I can say again: it is a perfectly clear case of an ancient correction of a text which may now to a non-Egyptologist look like a helicopter. It is very common in tombs and temples that the original hieroglyphs were changed and then the first text covered by some kind of paste which has now disappeared so we can see part of the first text below the newer one.

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University of Copenhagen


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Nearly every Hindu and Buddhist in the world - hundreds of millions of people has heard of the ancient flying machines referred to in the Ramayana and other texts as vimanas.
Vimanas are mentioned even today in standard Indian literature and media reports. An article called “Flight Path” by the Indian journalist Mukul Sharma appeared in the major newspaper The Times of India on April 8, 1999 which talked about vimanas and ancient warfare: according to some interpretations of surviving texts, India’s future it seems happened way back in the past. Take the case of the Yantra Sarvasva, said to have been written by the sage Maharshi Bhardwaj.

This consists of as many as 40 sections of which one, the Vaimanika Prakarana dealing with aeronautics, has 8 chapters, a hundred topics and 500 sutras.
In it Bhardwaj describes vimana, or aerial aircrafts, as being of three classes:

1. those that travel from place to place;
2. those that travel from one country to another;
3. those that travel between planets.
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http://www.bibliotec...p_vimanas_4.htm
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The Rg Veda, the Mahabharata, the Ramayana, and the Puranas are some of the ancient Indian texts written in sanskrit. These texts give suprisingly detailed accounts of airships called vimanas. Detailed descriptions of the ships construction is given by using words which translate as graphite rod, copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles. The texts include details on anti-gravity, invisibility, photography, weapons and inter-planetary travel.
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http://www.ancient-h.../03_vimana.html
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http://www.crystalin...ntaircraft.html
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Indian Space & Flight (Aircraft) Technology is one of the oldest and far Advanced than the Present; in our Ancient Epics the Flight (Aircraft) has been referred as “Vimana” which has varied meaning depending upon our understanding.

A Vimana is a Mythological Flying Machine, described in the Ancient Mythology of India. References to these Flying Machines are commonplace in Ancient Indian Texts, even describing their use in Warfare. As well as being able to Fly within Earth’s Atmosphere, Vimanas were also said to be able to Travel into Space and Travel Submerged Underwater.
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http://udayabhaaskar...ght-technology/
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The Samarangana Sutradhara even describes take-off procedures, type of landings, collusions, the various types of aircraft, as well as advantages and disadvantages of the different types of aircraft, how to scout enemy aircraft without being detected, and even describes power sources. Some of these texts even include how to BUILD the aircraft.
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https://www.forbidde...info/?q=node/75
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Now the Vimana


Sanskrit vi-māna literally means "measuring out, traversing" or "having been measured out".

Vimana are described in Indian epic poetry right? The actual pictures of the "bueprints" as some like to call the drawings come from the Vymanika Shastra which has been dated back to an ancient 1904, and was attained by way of mental channeling hasn't it. Other texts are descriptions are they not?

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LINK - A CRITICAL STUDY OF THE WORK “VYMANIKA SHASTRA”


1.1ORIGIN
A book titled “Brihad Vimana Shastra” by Shri Bramhamuni Parivrajaka was published in the year 1959 [1]. It contains verses in Sanskrit (describing aircraft) with their Hindi translation.
Recently, another book titled “Vymanika Shastra” by Shri G.R. Josyer has appeared [2], which contains the same Sanskrit verses with their English translation. One notable feature of this English version is that it contains drawings of some crafts too, something not to be found in the Hindi version.
Also, the English work by Josyer makes no mention whatsoever of the earlier work in Hindi.
Our main concern in this report will be with the above two works.
These books contain verses which, according to their texts, are supposed to form only part (about  § Departmental of Aeronautical Engineering §§ Department of Mechanical Engineering a fortieth) of “Yantra Sarvaswa” by sage Bharadwaja, which is devoted to a summary of the work on vimana vigyana by a number of other sages and is said to be for the benefit of all mankind.


And about the Mahabharata's references to flying elephants? Now that's interesting isn't it. We thought flying pigs was quite a chuckle, what does a flying elephant look like?

I assume that you are referring to Rigveda? The Rigveda does not mention Vimanas, but verses RV 1.164.47-48 have been bandied as evidence for the idea of "mechanical birds":

47. kṛṣṇáṃ niyânaṃ hárayaḥ suparṇâ / apó vásānā dívam út patanti tá âvavṛtran sádanād ṛtásyâd / íd ghṛténa pṛthivî vy ùdyate 48. dvâdaśa pradháyaś cakrám ékaṃ / trîṇi nábhyāni ká u tác ciketa tásmin sākáṃ triśatâ ná śaṅkávo / 'rpitâḥ ṣaṣṭír ná calācalâsaḥ "

Dark the descent: the birds are golden-coloured; up to the heaven they fly robed in the waters. Again descend they from the seat of Order, and all the earth is moistened with their fatness." "Twelve are the fellies, and the wheel is single; three are the naves. What man hath understood it? Therein are set together spokes three hundred and sixty, which in nowise can be loosened."



Hrrmmz, yes, clear as mud!

Chariots flown by gods are not unique to Indian mythology: the Greek god Apollo flies the Sun Chariot; Kay Kavus, the mythological Persian king steers a flying throne to China; and Thor, of the Norse tradition, commandeers the Chariot of Thunder. Why is it do your suppose that nobody has considered attempting to folow the directions? You know, that should be an easy answer for most people, but I feel your preconceptions blind you to any possibility other than aliens. Its a massive leap of faith which you must take on your own. I feel few would follow you into such a pit of uncertainty.

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:lol: But I guess a bunch of text means nothing to you, since you don't seem to believe people can learn new concepts in any ways other than learning about them in movies.

Ignorance and superstition is not the exclusive domain of fundamental christians. The information you have provided is simply not sufficient to bridge the gap between wishful thinking and reality. What you have exposed is how you have built these bridges for yourself, but they remain unable to support the burden of proof. I find your outlook zealous at best. I mean for goodness sakes, quoting Stitchins nonsense and self interpreting texts? Who do you suppose that will actually convince?

Just for kicks, just how many of these "gods" do you think there were? Scrap that actually, you are boring me now. I will stick with Abitran. He can at at least hold a decent two way conversation and does not lower himself to Stitchins references to support his position. Right now, your's could no be much shakier.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:35 AM

View Postnopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

To do what, and where did you get the suns with which to do your experiment(s)? If you didn't do the experiment(s) yourself, be sure to let us know who did them and when, and of course how they were done. Also where, since it's hard to believe they took place on Earth without it becoming common knowledge or killing every living thing on the planet...whichever would come first.


You still have not familiarised yourself with E=MC2 have you? Do you know the link between E=MC2 and nuclear weaponry? Do you know what happened in Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 01:13 AM

View Postnopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

So what is the max velocity you think any beings in the universe have been able to obtain, and what do you think that velocity is relative to?


The maximum velocity for matter is the speed of light. Beings cannot obtain this. Mass cannot attain this. Massless particles can only. Mans theoretical limit is 99.9% of c, but attaining that would be an impressive feat indeed. If man could attain 8-10% the speed of light interstellar travel may become a viable option, but not two way travel in cases. It all depends on wether things like time dilation are acceptable parameters to the travelers doesn't it.

I have answered the "relative to" question about three times now, I simply refuse to do so again. Go back and read my posts. Why do you keep asking the same question when people keep answering it for you?

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 01:23 AM

View Postnopeda, on 10 April 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

It's considering possibilities regarding descriptions and drawings by people in the past, rather than not. You would have to move up to even begin. You don't like having that pointed out, but it's the way it is and always will be unless you eventually move on to more open minded thinking. You think small. That's not an insult but just pointing out one of your characteristics.


Yes it is an insult, lets nopt get into characteristics, I think the ones that describe you are banned.


So you are saying because the writings you have contain pictures, which by the way do not work, that it is a genuine document? Interesting. I guess little golden books are also factual studies?

Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.' - Sir Isaac Newton. "Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit." Ed Stewart. Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs. Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Sir Wearer of Hats.





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