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psyche101, on 23 April 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

It does not mean nothing, and it does not mean that aliens had to influence such. It means that people all over the world were inspired by hunting aspects of certain animals. The keen eyesight of a raptor, the agility if a feline, the sheer power of a bear. That is why some cultures have multi totems, to pay homage to the many amazing evolutionary traits of these skilled creatures.

We're discussing whether or not there's significance to the fact that the various people made sculptures of shpinx type creatures in particular, with the body of a cat and the head of a human. There may be more specific similarities too, but if you can't appreciate the significance of any then you can't make any sort of distinction between what is and what is not significant.

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psyche101, on 23 April 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

I disagree it is not likely at all. It is likely that man has used his imagination. Space is not something you just jump across like a brook, it is unimaginably vast. We also have literally millions of people listening and looking up 24/7/365. If space was busy, we woud have heard something, fact is our corner at least is quiet as a mouse. From what we have to go on, it seems a safe bet that life outside of earth is a long way outside of earth. And there is no reason to believe that anyone is ahead of man at this point in time.

This universe is a sad place indeed if humans are the most advanced beings in it. To me that seems like one of the most unlikely of possibilities, and far far less likely than the possibility that there are beings who can travel significantly faster than 186K miles per second relative to their point of departure. It's also much less likely than that we're living on some beings' project planet, imo.

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psyche101, on 23 April 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

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nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

When people don't have enough confidence in their links to present quotes from them that support what they're trying to get me to believe, then I know better than to waste my time trying to go find it for them since they can't share exactly what it is for themselves/yourself.

I have presented many

I don't remember you presenting any explanations about why nothing can travel faster than 186K miles per second relative to anything else in the universe.

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psyche101, on 24 April 2012 - 12:50 AM, said:

you seem to be ignoring them. All of these testify that the Abydos Helicopter is a direct result of palimpsest.

When was what was originally there replaced by depictions of air vehicles and why was it replaced? If you want me to believe it was you need to explain when, why, and if possible who did it.

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psyche101, on 24 April 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

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nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

What you suggest again! does not apply to the depictions of things that look exactly like air vehicles. Try again. Maybe your third attempt will actually get close, but judging by the last two complete failures I doubt your third go could be any better, if you even can make a third attempt.

Absolute codswallop. There is no reason the descriptions cannot fit natural phenomena in some cases, and story telling in others.

What natural phenomena do you think look like the depictions of things that clearly appear to be air vehicles?

Do you actually believe they were telling stories about helicopters thousands of years ago even if they had never seen anything resembling one? And that they carved depictions of them without ever having seen anything similar? Maybe you think they carved the depictions of them as a joke to play on historians thousands of years in the future? Do you think that could be what happened? They didn't happen to have written any documents describing any sort of air vehicles, or/and beings from off planet, in addition to doing the carvings did they?

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psyche101, on 24 April 2012 - 01:15 AM, said:

So you still do not understand E=MC2. Well, one cannot say I did not try to help you understand it! If you had been abe to wrap your head around matter-energy transfer, you would see why your proposal lacks sense.

Why do you feel another life form has managed to re-write physics and overcome the insane barriers that faster than light travel offers? What reason could you have for insisting that the universe is different in principal for other species? Why do physics apply to some species and not others? Cannot happen that way can it?

I told you my intrepretation is that the total potential energy of an object is its mass times the speed of light squared, and you haven't done anything to persuade me to believe it means something different.

The laws of physics would apply to us as well as to other beings who can travel "ftl" if there are any who can. Why would you question that???

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psyche101, on 24 April 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

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nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

How "large" a percentage of the universe do you think 8 light years is? How much less of a billionth of the universe do you think this supposedly not puny distance represents? Do you think it's less than a 2 billionth? Less than a ten billionth? Less than a hundred billionth...?

The Universe is ever expanding, one day the stars we can see now will be too distant for our astronomers to view. So what on earth does the proportional size of the Universe with relation to our solar system have to do with crossing space? It still takes Voyager 17,500 years to reach one light year out from the solar system no matter how big or compressed space is.

Percentages do not help one overcome distance. What on earth are you thinking? This proposal makes no sense at all I am afraid.

If nothing else I was trying to help you recognise the fact that 8 light years is a puny percentage of the universe, but it appears you can't appreciate the fact. From my position yours is amusing, since you act like you can appreciate the vastness of the universe while being unable to appreciate the fact that 8 light years is a puny percentage of it.

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Oniomancer, on 24 April 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

Except that where the ancient examples are concerned, these "different parts of the world" are all within easy trading distance of each other. The one modern example included is a good illustrator because it was copied conceptually directly from the others.

So you're saying they were all trading with each other and if that's the case then it makes everything completely different. I didn't even think they were all aware of each other much less all trading with each other.

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Sensible Logic, on 24 April 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

So if you are standing 10 feet down the line from the emitter/emission point of the light source, what speed is the light traveling when it passes you?

I would guess 186K miles per second if I'm at rest relative to the point of emission, though probably not if I'm moving away at 93K miles per second relative to it.

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runekazter, on 24 April 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Since most of the posts are against the idea other beings provided man with it's technology at some point, I will say that i agree with you some. But really I think it is just as likely it's all man man made. even though i accept the possibility we are visited by aliens i also believe it is just as possible the visitors are not aliens but beings from the future. If they are bending space they are bending time. I am always amazed at how critical the community is on a site where you expect to find a lot of open minds. my definition of open mind would better be described as acceptance that you don't have the answers. I guess a lot of people come to a site called UM to provide the explanation. as far as the mysterious architecture -much of the evidence one might give to point to aliens really could also be used to state that civilization is much older than anticipated. technology and culture can be lost through many things such as, natural catastrophe and war. But everyone needs to take a step back and accept we don't know enough about the ancient cultures to give a definate answer.

To think no xts have ever been to this planet is a very easy concept that I still consider to be a possibility, and believed it to be true for the majority of my life. Now I consider the possibility that they have been here, and that involves wondering about why they did things as they did, and which things are based on encounters with them and which are not, etc... Considering that they have had influence involves a lot more open minded thought and thought in general than to simply say none have ever been here. I will say I expected some people in a group called: Extraterrestrial Life & The UFO Phenomenon to disbelieve the possibility that xts have been here, but I'm surprised to find that it's such a huge majority who put their faith in that possibility being the correct one. Maybe it's because they end up running off most of the people who do consider the possibility of xt visits and influence.

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nopeda, on 24 April 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

What natural phenomena do you think look like the depictions of things that clearly appear to be air vehicles?

Do you actually believe they were telling stories about helicopters thousands of years ago even if they had never seen anything resembling one? And that they carved depictions of them without ever having seen anything similar? Maybe you think they carved the depictions of them as a joke to play on historians thousands of years in the future? Do you think that could be what happened? They didn't happen to have written any documents describing any sort of air vehicles, or/and beings from off planet, in addition to doing the carvings did they?

Have you ever seen a maple tree?   When I was young we would toss up the seed pods and they would come down looking like a helicopter.   Much more likely than alien helicopters.

[Myles]

nopeda, on 24 April 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

If nothing else I was trying to help you recognise the fact that 8 light years is a puny percentage of the universe, but it appears you can't appreciate the fact. From my position yours is amusing, since you act like you can appreciate the vastness of the universe while being unable to appreciate the fact that 8 light years is a puny percentage of it.

None of that nonsense means anything to this discussion.   Who cares if 8 light years is "puny".  You still cannot travel that far.

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Myles, on 24 April 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

It's just as dumb as thinking that those carvings are of helicopters.  It is not rational to think that a much more advanced being from across the universe uses the same equipment us humans are using right now.  

Those things clearly appear to depict air vehicles and so far no one has suggested what else they might realistically be depicting if not air vehicles. If you want people to consider that they might be depicting something else, then let us know what things you want us to think they really are depicting.

[Myles]

nopeda, on 24 April 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

To think no xts have ever been to this planet is a very easy concept that I still consider to be a possibility, and believed it to be true for the majority of my life. Now I consider the possibility that they have been here, and that involves wondering about why they did things as they did, and which things are based on encounters with them and which are not, etc... Considering that they have had influence involves a lot more open minded thought and thought in general than to simply say none have ever been here. I will say I expected some people in a group called: Extraterrestrial Life & The UFO Phenomenon to disbelieve the possibility that xts have been here, but I'm surprised to find that it's such a huge majority who put their faith in that possibility being the correct one. Maybe it's because they end up running off most of the people who do consider the possibility of xt visits and influence.

Or maybe they are afraid of being grouped into a group that includes someone like you.   You continue to aviod the posts that ask you questions or that shoot down your opinions.

[Sensible Logic]

nopeda, on 24 April 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

I would guess 186K miles per second if I'm at rest relative to the point of emission, though probably not if I'm moving away at 93K miles per second relative to it.

Regardless of your movement the speed of the light beam remains the same.  You are attempting to indicate that the speed of the light beam is relative to your motion and that is incorrect.

As an example.  You are driving down a long highway at a constant 60 mph, eventually you pass several cars.  One is stopped by the side of the road, one is doing 30 mph and one is doing 45 mph.  As you pass each car you look at your speedometer and you are continuing to move at a constant 60 mph.  Your speed has not changed and is not relative to the speed or lack of speed of the other vehicles.

Edited by Sensible Logic, 24 April 2012 - 10:43 PM.